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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #75 on: July 07, 2011, 11:22:43 AM »
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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #76 on: July 07, 2011, 11:26:35 AM »
"As a candidate, I promised that I would end this war, and that is what I am doing as President. We will have all of our combat troops out of Iraq by the end of this August. (Applause.) We will support the Iraqi government -- we will support the Iraqi government as they hold elections, and we will continue to partner with the Iraqi people to promote regional peace and prosperity. But make no mistake: This war is ending, and all of our troops are coming home. (Applause.)"

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #77 on: July 10, 2011, 03:08:25 PM »
No, Iraq, you have nothing to decide, because all of our troops are leaving.  President Obama said so. 

Iraq to decide on U.S. troop presence, Iraq's president says
By Mohammed Tawfeeq, CNN
July 10, 2011

Baghdad (CNN) -- Iraqi leaders aim to decide within two weeks whether U.S. troops should stay in the country past the end of the year, Iraq's president announced.

Leading politicians "are to consult their friends, their allies and their parties to come up with a final result after two weeks," President Jalal Talabani said in remarks broadcast on Iraqiya state television.

Leaders of key Iraqi political blocs, including Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's State of Law coalition, met Saturday at the president's residence to debate that and other key issues, Talabani said after the meeting.

Ayad Allawi's Iraqiya bloc was also represented, he said.

American troops are scheduled to depart from Iraq at the end of the year under a bilateral agreement between the Iraqi government and the United States.

But the two countries could agree to keep some U.S. troops in Iraq, which now has about 46,000 American service members. The figure is down from 170,000 in 2007, during the peak of sectarian violence.

Last month, radical anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr thanked followers who offered to launch attacks against the U.S. military in Iraq should he reinstate his notorious Mehdi Army militia, according to a posting on his website.

Al-Sadr vowed earlier this year to "escalate armed resistance" if the U.S. military does not pull its troops as scheduled, a move that could destabilize the country should the Mehdi Army repeat the bloody battles it waged against American and Iraqi forces during the height of violence.

The al-Sadr movement emerged as one of the kingmakers in Iraqi politics last year when it won 39 parliamentary seats. The bloc's support played a major role in al-Maliki getting his second term in office.

Separately, a high-level U.S. delegation visited al-Maliki in his office Saturday, the Iraqi government said.

It included deputy national security advisor Denis McDonough; Thomas Nides, a deputy secretary of state; and Anthony Blinken, a national security adviser to Vice President Joe Biden, Iraq said.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/07/10/iraq.us.troops/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #78 on: September 06, 2011, 11:44:38 AM »
He's getting closer to zero (no pun intended).  Note that the commanders disagree with him. 

Sources: Obama Administration to Drop Troop Levels in Iraq to 3,000
Published September 06, 2011
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The Obama administration has decided to drop the number of U.S. troops in Iraq at the end of the year down to 3,000, marking a major downgrade in force strength, multiple sources familiar with the inner workings and decisions on U.S. troop movements in Iraq told Fox News.

Senior commanders are said to be livid at the decision, which has already been signed off by Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.

The generals on the ground had requested that the number of troops remaining in Iraq at the end of the year reach about 27,000. But, there was major pushback about "the cost and the political optics" of that decision that the number was then reduced to 10,000.

Commanders said they could possibly make that work "in extremis," in other words, meaning  they would be pushing it to make that number work security-wise and manpower-wise.

Now, sources confirm that the administration has pushed the Pentagon to cut the number even lower, and commanders are concerned for the safety of the U.S. troops who would remain there.
"We can't secure everybody with only 3,000 on the ground nor can we do what we need to with the Iraqis," one source said.

A senior military official said by reducing the number of troops to 3,000, the White House has effectively reduced the mission to training only.

"There is almost no room for security operations in that number; it will be almost purely a training mission," this official said. The official added that a very small number of troops within that 3,000 will be dedicated to counter-terrorism efforts, but that's not nearly what Gen. Lloyd Austin, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, wanted.

This shift is seen by various people as a cost-saving measure and a political measure. The only administration official fighting for at least 10,000 forces to stay in Iraq at the end of the year was Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, sources said. But she has lost the battle.

Responding to the news, Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., who has traveled to Iraq many times, said that in all the conversations he has had on force strength, he has "never heard a number as low as 3,000 troops to secure the gains Iraqis have won over the years."

Lieberman said his first question for the administration is whether the number is one Iraqis had requested or if it was chosen according to other criteria.

Any of the plans will require Iraqi approval, and on that front, the Pentagon recently secured a commitment from the Iraqis to start negotiations, but they have not agreed to any number.

"Discussions with the Iraqis on our post-2011 strategic relationship are ongoing, and no decisions on troop levels have been made," said Panetta spokesman George Little. "We continue to proceed with troop withdrawals as directed by the president."

On Tuesday, the head of the three-province Kurdish autonomous region in the north of Iraq, warned that if American troops leave sectarian violence might resurface. Massoud Barzani urged the central Iraqi government to sign an agreement with the U.S. to keep forces in the country.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/06/sources-obama-administration-to-drop-troop-levels-in-iraq-to-3000/

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Sources: Obama Administration to Drop Troop Levels in Iraq to 3,000
« Reply #79 on: September 06, 2011, 04:47:45 PM »
Yeah....when the wheels come off the wagon in Iraq it will laid at the feet of the piece of shit in the White House. 3k can't project power and defend themselves at the same time. Barry is a joke.

The Obama administration has decided to drop the number of U.S. troops in Iraq at the end of the year down to 3,000, marking a major downgrade in force strength, multiple sources familiar with the inner workings and decisions on U.S. troop movements in Iraq told Fox News.
 
Senior commanders are said to be livid at the decision, which has already been signed off by Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.
 
Panetta, touring sites Tuesday in advance of the Sept. 11 10th commemoration, insisted "no decision has been made" on the number of troops to stay in Iraq.
 
"That obviously will be the subject of negotiations with the Iraqis and as a result of those negotiations. As I said no decision has been made of what the number will be," he said.
 
Currently, about 45,000 U.S. troops are stationed in Iraq. The generals on the ground had requested a reduced number of troops remaining in Iraq at the end of the year, but there was major pushback about "the cost and the political optics" of keeping that many in Iraq. The military's troop-level request was then reduced to 10,000.
 
Commanders said they could possibly make that work "in extremis," in other words, meaning  they would be pushing it to make that number work security-wise and manpower-wise.
 
Now, sources confirm that the administration has pushed the Pentagon to cut the number even lower, and commanders are concerned for the safety of the U.S. troops who would remain there.
 
"We can't secure everybody with only 3,000 on the ground nor can we do what we need to with the Iraqis," one source said. Another source said the actual total could be as high as 5,000 when additional support personnel are included.
 
A senior military official said by reducing the number of troops to 3,000, the White House has effectively reduced the mission to training only.
 
"There is almost no room for security operations in that number; it will be almost purely a training mission," this official said. The official added that a very small number of troops within that 3,000 will be dedicated to counter-terrorism efforts, but that's not nearly what Gen. Lloyd Austin, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, wanted.
 
This shift is seen by various people as a cost-saving measure and a political measure. White House spokesman Jay Carney said Tuesday that the U.S. has operated responsibly to meet the year-end deadline to remove troops from Iraq, per a 2008 Status of Forces Agreement.
 
He added that negotiations with the Iraqis will determine the outcome, and while costs are a factor in every decision, the administration makes decisions on what is best for the United States.
 
The only administration official fighting for at least 10,000 forces to stay in Iraq at the end of the year was Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, sources said. But she has lost the battle.
 
Responding to the news, Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., who has traveled to Iraq many times, said that in all the conversations he has had on force strength, he has "never heard a number as low as 3,000 troops to secure the gains Iraqis have won over the years."
 
Lieberman said his first question for the administration is whether the number is one Iraqis had requested or if it was chosen according to other criteria.
 
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said reducing the troop presence to 3,000 "would put at risk all the United States has fought for in Iraq."
 
"The biggest winner of a U.S. decision to move to 3,000 troops in Iraq would the Iranian regime. The ayatollahs would rejoice," he said.
 
Any of the plans will require Iraqi approval, and on that front, the Pentagon recently secured a commitment from the Iraqis to start negotiations, but they have not agreed to any number.
 
"Discussions with the Iraqis on our post-2011 strategic relationship are ongoing, and no decisions on troop levels have been made," said Panetta spokesman George Little. "We continue to proceed with troop withdrawals as directed by the president."
 
On Tuesday, the head of the three-province Kurdish autonomous region in the north of Iraq, warned that if American troops leave sectarian violence might resurface. Massoud Barzani urged the central Iraqi government to sign an agreement with the U.S. to keep forces in the country


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/06/sources-obama-administration-to-drop-troop-levels-in-iraq-to-3000/#ixzz1XDfGKMc1
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Re: Sources: Obama Administration to Drop Troop Levels in Iraq to 3,000
« Reply #80 on: September 06, 2011, 04:49:10 PM »
Yeah.  I posted this here:  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=329992.75 

No surprise he's not listening to his military folks. 

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Re: Sources: Obama Administration to Drop Troop Levels in Iraq to 3,000
« Reply #81 on: September 06, 2011, 05:24:50 PM »
Sorry dude..delete as needed.
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Re: Sources: Obama Administration to Drop Troop Levels in Iraq to 3,000
« Reply #82 on: September 06, 2011, 05:26:31 PM »
"Mission Accomplished"

Thank you George W. Bush for preemptively invading a country thousands of miles away from America based  on lies about WMD's that was motivated by a personal agenda and probably greed as well.  It's nice to know 8 longs years later, billions and billions of money wasted,spent, lost etc, thousands of American Families shattered by the loses of their young men and women, the thousands of maimed and scarred soldiers, the tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians killed, the thousands of innocent people killed by insurgents, a irresponsible occupation plan from and itellectually arrogant defense secretary that left the contry in years of chaos THAT now we need to make sure that we keep thousands of troops there for God knows how long to protect the country from becoming another 1975 Vietnam.

At least mow, you got a Liberal president you can Blame for every wrong move now as he he has to deal with this fucking mess, as if he he hasn't already fucked up the country more than is was.
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Re: Sources: Obama Administration to Drop Troop Levels in Iraq to 3,000
« Reply #83 on: September 06, 2011, 05:27:25 PM »
weren't a lot of repubs (particularly tea party members) saying we need to get the hell out of iraq and spend the $ fixing our own damn roads and infratruture, instead of protecting ours?

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Re: Sources: Obama Administration to Drop Troop Levels in Iraq to 3,000
« Reply #84 on: September 06, 2011, 05:29:43 PM »
Auto post response from pro Iraq war posters:

"Well many democrats voted for the war too"


What the he'll does it matter who voted for it?  What's wrong is wrong.

The tea party is right.

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Re: Sources: Obama Administration to Drop Troop Levels in Iraq to 3,000
« Reply #85 on: September 06, 2011, 06:22:00 PM »
Obama didn't hide the fact that he wanted troops out of Iraq. The American people voted him into office.

I'm a little confused about all the outrage now.
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Re: Sources: Obama Administration to Drop Troop Levels in Iraq to 3,000
« Reply #86 on: September 06, 2011, 08:43:02 PM »
Sorry dude..delete as needed.

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #87 on: December 02, 2011, 11:11:14 AM »
U.S. Military Hands Camp Victory Over to Iraqis
Published December 02, 2011
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CAMP VICTORY, Iraq –  The U.S. military says it has handed over Camp Victory, a sprawling base at the edge of Baghdad that used to be the headquarters for the U.S. military, to the Iraqi government.

The handover of the sprawling complex of grandiose former palaces of Saddam Hussein, encircled by 27 miles of blast walls, comes as American troops prepare to pull out by the end of the month after nearly nine years.

November 7, 2011: U.S. Army soldier walks past military armored vehicles are ready to be shipped out of Iraq at Camp Victory in Baghdad.

"The Victory Base Complex was officially signed over to the receivership of the Iraqi government this morning [Friday]. The base is no longer under U.S. control and is now under the full authority of the government of Iraq," Col. Barry Johnson, a spokesman for the U.S. forces in Iraq, was quoted as saying by AFP.

He added, "There was no ceremony, just a signing of paperwork akin to the closing of a home sale."

U.S. vice president Joe Biden spoke Thursday at one of the palaces during a ceremony to mark the imminent U.S. withdrawal, which Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki has dubbed "the day of fulfilling the promise."

The Iraqi claimants to the compound are numerous, and the ideas for its use are many, ranging from the somber -- military barracks, Hussein museums and cultural centers -- to the more business-minded, such as five-star hotels or an amusement park, The Wall Street Journal reported.

Another dilemma looms -- what to do with Hussein's markings throughout the camp, originally a complex of palaces and artificial lakes built for the glory of the ex-strongman.

This is especially problematic for Maliki and other officials who have made it their mission to erase any reminder of Hussein and his epoch. Maliki's aides have given conflicting signals over whether any of the palaces on the compound would be used by the prime minister.

Many other Hussein-era palaces around the country once occupied by the U.S. military already were handed to the Iraqi side. Most remain military installations, others are in dispute.

The U.S. military, in addition to carving bases out of Camp Victory's palaces and the vast surrounding farmland, and giving streets and pathways names such as "Washington" and "Lost Lake," has spent tens of millions of dollars to retrofit the area to its needs, with modifications including plumbing, electricity supply and ice-making.

The U.S. military's top brass in Iraq and tens of thousands of soldiers once resided here, near the international airport about 10 miles west of downtown Baghdad, enjoying a slice of Americana, with perks such as Salsa night, speedway racing and fly fishing.

In the process, the military went out of its way to preserve important vestiges of Hussein's rule of more than three decades.

Newscore and the Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/12/02/us-military-hands-camp-victory-over-to-iraqis/?test=latestnews?test=latestnews

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #88 on: December 15, 2011, 10:07:01 AM »
I agree with McCain.

McCain: Obama Deserves 'Scorn and Disdain' for Iraq Pullout
Wednesday, 14 Dec 2011 08:08 PM
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Sen. John McCain, the ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said President Barack Obama deserves "scorn and disdain" for his decision to order complete withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq by year's end.

"It is clear that this decision of a complete pullout of United States troops from Iraq was dictated by politics, and not our national security interests," the Arizona Republican said on Wednesday from the Senate floor. "I believe history will judge this president’s leadership with the scorn and disdain it deserves.”

McCain, who ran against Obama for the White House in 2008, famously remarked in that campaign that he would not object to maintaining a U.S. troop presence in the area for "a hundred years."

McCain also blasted the president for not giving credit where credit is due. Obama failed to acknowledge in a speech at Fort Bragg, N.C., on Wednesday that the end of the Iraq war had come about as a direct result of former President George Bush's surge strategy — a policy that Obama vehemently opposed as senator, McCain pointed out.

"All I will say is that, for three years, the president has been harvesting the successes of the very strategy that he consistently dismissed as a failure," McCain said . "I imagine this irony was not lost on a few of our troops at Fort Bragg today, most of whom deployed and fought as part of the surge."

McCain provided old quotes of then-senator and candidate Obama in which he called for a withdrawal from Iraq and said that that campaign promise has prompted Obama as president to lead from behind, without authority.

“The president never brought the full weight of his office to bear in shaping the politics and the events on the ground in Iraq so as to secure a residual presence of U.S. troops,” he said. “This left our commanders and our negotiators in Baghdad mostly trying to respond to events in Iraq, trying to shape events without the full influence of the American president behind them.”

McCain's comments came as signs increased that Obama is using the Iraq pullout, which many experts consider dangerous and destabilizing, as a re-election ploy to shore up his sagging liberal Democratic base.

Obama, who opposed the war all the way to the White House, can't remind people enough that he is the one ending it and getting every last troop home.

He is not just commander in chief intent on lauding the valor of the military. He is a president seeking re-election and soaking up every chance to make a promise kept.

During Obama's speech at Fort Bragg, a post that sent thousands of troops to Iraq and saw more than 200 of them die there, the president summoned glory and gravity. In a speech full of pride in American fighting forces, Obama declared to soldiers that the "war in Iraq will soon belong to history, and your service belongs to the ages."

If the thought sounded familiar, it was because Obama essentially has been declaring an end since the start of his term.

Every milestone allows him to reach all those voters who opposed the unpopular war, including liberals in his party, whose enthusiasm he must reignite to win a second term.

There was the speech in Camp Lejeune, N.C., way back in February 2009, when he said: "Let me say this as plainly as I can: By Aug. 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end."

When that mission ended, Obama held a rare Oval Office address to the nation to celebrate the moment and declare: "It's time to turn the page."

During the past two months, Obama has taken three more swings at it, all of them commanding the attention the White House wanted:

In October, from the press briefing room: "As promised, the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year."
On Monday with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki at his side: "This is a historic moment. A war is ending."
On Wednesday to troops: "Iraq's future will be in the hands of its people. America's war in Iraq will be over."
He also made time this week to speak about Iraq to regional television stations serving military communities, most of them in states targeted by his re-election campaign.

Without question, the ending of a war is moment for any president to reflect with the country. Yet even Obama noted people have seen this one coming for a while.

Since George W. Bush was president, in fact.

Bush was the one who struck a deal with Iraq to set Dec. 31, 2011, as the final day of the war. Yet it was Obama who accelerated the end of the U.S. combat mission when he took office, shifted attention to Afghanistan, and decided to leave no troops behind in Iraq after this year.

The final U.S. forces will be out in days.

This, in essence, is Obama's mission accomplished: getting out of Iraq as promised under solid enough circumstances and making sure to remind voters that he did what he said.

It is harder to remember now, with joblessness dominating the presidential debate and souring the public mood, but it was not long ago that the Iraq war consumed about everything.

In a new Associated Press-GfK poll, about half of those surveyed called the Iraq war highly important to them. It placed lower in importance than all but one of 14 current issues.

"It's understandable that he's trying to bring it back to the forefront of the public consciousness," said Ole Holsti, a retired Duke University professor who has written a book about American public opinion of the Iraq war.

"From a purely domestic political viewpoint, this is something that the president can bank on — most Americans are eager to bring it to an end," he said. "I think after all this time, there's probably a kind of overriding sense of relief: 'This is when we'll have the boys home.'"

Obama's approval rating on handling the situation in Iraq has been above 50 percent since last fall. In the new AP-GfK poll, he has ticked up four points since October to 55 percent.

Twice now, Obama has delivered we're-ending-the-war speeches in North Carolina, a state he barely won in 2008 and that is integral to his re-election prospects.

This is hardly a moment of national unity. About every issue seems politically toxic now.

As troops leave Iraq, 77 percent of Democrats approve of Obama's handling of the war compared to 33 percent of Republicans, an enormous gap. Independents are in the middle.

Obama's challenge has been to get out of the war without leaving Iraq in mess, to be consistent in his opposition without undermining the military under his command.

Nearly 4,500 Americans have been killed in the war. More than 1.5 million Americans have served in Iraq. The toll stretches in all directions.

So Obama was effusive in heralding the troops and their families. With no mention of victory, he called their service toward a self-reliant Iraq an extraordinary achievement.

"Americans expect the valor of the troops to be lauded no matter what they thought of the war itself, and Obama is very sensitive to that," said Cal Jillson, a professor of political science at Southern Methodist University. "That's one big part of what he's doing."

The other parts, Jillson said, have been to check the box of his campaign promise kept, and to close out the war as best as possible.

"Saying the troops performed nobly is easy," Jillson said. "The more difficult task is to make the case that the resources were well expended and the future of Iraq looks bright."

Especially for a president who called the war dumb and rash before it even began.

Obama has, though, been offering pronouncements of better days ahead in Iraq. Bush used to talk of Iraq becoming a beacon of hope in a region desperate for it. For those who caught it, Obama this week sure sounded plenty similar, arguing that "a successful, democratic Iraq can be a model for the entire region."

But mainly, Obama's message has been that it's all over, on his terms, just like he said. Again and again.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Obama-WarOver-Analysis/2011/12/14/id/421015

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #89 on: December 16, 2011, 06:37:31 PM »
You are an idiot... It's not our fucking country.

What part of that do you not seem to get?

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Re: 25th Infantry Division HQ to deploy to Iraq late this year
« Reply #90 on: December 16, 2011, 07:06:56 PM »
Trump was right - we should have taken the. Oil as repayment.