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« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2010, 01:04:59 PM »
U.S. Government Detaining, Deporting U.S. Citizens
Tuesday June 10, 2008

Peter Guzman was scheduled to be the best man at his brother's wedding in July 2007, but he never made it. Immigration and Customs Enforcement had deported Guzman, a U.S. citizen and second-generation Mexican-American immigrant, as an "illegal alien."

Bettina Casares, a U.S. citizen and Air Force veteran, faced similar treatment in 2003 as she was assaulted and detained by Border Patrol agents while trying to return to the United States after visiting her family in Mexico over the Easter holiday. (Casares later filed suit, winning an undisclosed settlement.)

Guzman and Casares are among the thousands of U.S. citizens of Latino ancestry detained or deported annually by agents of the U.S. Border Patrol and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. As Jacqueline Stevens writes in The Nation:

    ... California Democratic Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren calls Guzman the "poster child" for an epidemic of detaining and deporting US citizens by ICE. Kara Hartzler, an attorney at the Florence Immigrant and Refugee Rights Project (FIRRP), agrees with Lofgren. Last year Hartzler's staff of six attorneys provided presentations and occasionally individual advice to more than 8,000 detainees in southern Arizona ... Hartzler testified, "The deportation of US citizens is not happening monthly, or weekly, but every day."

    ICE does not keep records on cases in which detainees claim to be US citizens. If larger trends are consistent with the pattern in Hartzler's caseload, since 2004 ICE has held between 3,500 and 10,000 US citizens in detention facilities and deported about half ...

    I called fifteen private immigration attorneys whose names appear on a Justice Department list of pro bono attorneys in Los Angeles and left messages asking whether they had clients in the past three years who were US citizens held in ICE detention for at least one month. Seven of them called back, each describing one to four clients who meet these criteria ...

    Since the state does not guarantee legal representation in civil cases, 90 to 95 percent of detainees lack attorneys.

Nor is the federal government the only offender. Local ordinances are frequently written in manner that encourages local officials and private citizens to indiscriminately target Latino residents, regardless of immigration status. The Hazleton Ordinance, for example, used a definition of illegal status so broad that it actually includes some U.S. citizens and legal residents. The Pahrump Ordinance targeted any celebration of Latin American heritage that permits participants to fly the flag of another nation. The proposed Bogota Ordinance would have prohibited the use of Spanish in advertisements and certain other printed materials. I could go on.

And the hostility towards "illegal immigrants" has also encouraged vigilantism against Latinos by white nationalists. As the Southern Poverty Law Center reports:

    The number of hate groups operating in the United States has grown to 888 — a staggering 48 percent increase since 2000, driven largely by anti-immigrant hysteria. And since the spring of 2005, some 300 new immigration restriction groups, including border vigilantes like the Minutemen and organizations that exist simply to harass Latino immigrants, have sprung up across the country. Of that number, 144 are listed as "nativist extremist" groups — organizations that do not merely seek to change immigration policy, but actively confront or harass individuals who they believe are undocumented.

Even anti-immigrant groups that don't necessarily identify as white nationalist organizations tend to make common cause with groups that do. In 2006, for example, the director of Border Guardians recruited neo-Nazis to rob, beat, harass, and otherwise intimidate Latinos. (One suggestion pulled from the email: "Discourage Spanish-speaking children from going to school. Be creative.")

This hostility--from federal and local governments, from hate groups, and from private citizens--is having a noticeable impact on the lives of Americans of Latino ancestry. As I wrote back in December:

    According to a new study by the Pew Hispanic Center, 64 percent of U.S. Latinos say that their lives have been made harder by the immigration debate. (About 75 percent of Latinos are in this country legally; undocumented immigrants make up only 12 million of the 47-million-strong Latino population.) And over the past year, the percentage of Latinos who say that they, their families, or their close friends have been victimized by discrimination has increased from 31 percent to 41 percent.

    These statistics are corroborated by FBI data indicating that hate crimes against Latinos have increased by 35 percent over the past four years.

These abuses underscore the need for calm, humane immigration reform that rejects policies of mass deportation. Even if the deportation of 12 million people could be justified on the basis of paperwork violations, it's almost certain that, given the abuses inherent in the limited anti-immigration statutes we already have, a more ambitious policy would have an even more drastic, and harmful, effect on American Latinos.

http://civilliberty.about.com/b/2008/06/10/us-government-detaining-deporting-us-citizens.htm

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« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2010, 01:06:00 PM »
U.S. citizen's near-deportation not a rarity

A zeal to nab illegal immigrants ensnares many innocent people, including a Minnesota native.

By MARISA TAYLOR, McClatchy News Service
Last update: January 26, 2008 - 8:09 PM


FLORENCE, ARIZ. - Thomas Warziniack was born in Minnesota and grew up in Georgia, but immigration authorities pronounced him an illegal immigrant from Russia.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement has held Warziniack for weeks in an Arizona detention facility with the aim of deporting him to a country he's never seen. His jailers shrugged off Warziniack's claims that he was an American citizen, even though they could have retrieved his Minnesota birth certificate in minutes and even though a Colorado court had concluded that he was a U.S. citizen a year before it shipped him to Arizona.

On Thursday, Warziniack finally became a free man. Immigration officials released him after his family, who learned about his predicament from a reporter, produced a birth certificate and after a U.S. senator demanded his release.

"The immigration agents told me they never make mistakes," Warziniack said in an earlier phone interview from jail. "All I know is that somebody dropped the ball."

Not an isolated case

The story of how immigration officials decided that a small-town drifter with a Southern accent was an illegal Russian immigrant illustrates how the federal government mistakenly detains and sometimes deports American citizens.

U.S. citizens who are mistakenly jailed by immigration authorities can get caught up in a nightmarish bureaucratic tangle in which they're simply not believed.

An unpublished study by the Vera Institute of Justice, a New York nonprofit organization, in 2006 identified 125 people in immigration detention centers across the nation who immigration lawyers believed had valid U.S. citizenship claims.

Nina Siulc, the lead researcher, said she thinks that many more American citizens probably are being erroneously detained or deported every year because her assessment looked at only a small number of those in custody. Each year, about 280,000 people are held on immigration violations at 15 federal detention centers and more than 400 state and local contract facilities nationwide.

Unlike suspects charged in criminal courts, detainees accused of immigration violations don't have a right to an attorney, and three-quarters of them represent themselves.

"It becomes your word against the government's, even when you know and insist that you're a U.S. citizen," Siulc said. "Your word doesn't always count, and the government doesn't always investigate fully."

Officials with ICE, the federal agency that oversees deportations, maintain that such cases are isolated because agents are required to obtain sufficient evidence that someone is an illegal immigrant before making an arrest. However, they don't track the number of U.S. citizens who are detained or deported.

"We don't want to detain or deport U.S. citizens," said Ernestine Fobbs, an ICE spokeswoman. "It's just not something we do."

While immigration advocates agree that the agents generally release detainees before deportation in clear-cut cases, they said that ICE sometimes ignores valid assertions of citizenship in the rush to ship out more illegal immigrants.

http://www.startribune.com/nation/14456137.html?page=1&c=y

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Re: I'm Going To Beat The Fucking Mexican Piss Out Of You!
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2010, 01:07:03 PM »
again...was this victim an illegal?

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« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2010, 01:07:52 PM »
Whatever, there is always one person to complain.  70% of the population wants it since they see the disaster illegals have brought to AZ. 

It's more than just a complaint.  Latino American citizens in Arizona are afraid, with good reason.

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« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2010, 01:09:04 PM »
again...was this victim an illegal?

Who are you asking?  I don't think we know whether or not the victim is illegal.  We don't even know if he is Mexican.  He just looked Mexican to the racist cop.

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« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2010, 01:09:35 PM »
Guess what - 70% of the population are scared of what the criminal illegal aliens have brought to AZ as well.  

Illegals kill more people every year than were killed in 911.    

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« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2010, 01:15:31 PM »
im asking because "illegal" was envoked in this thread...and if he is here legally then it the issue shouldnt even be noted as it takes away from the real issue which is this cops racists behavior and tries to divert attention with the "well if he was here legally it wouldnt have happened" argument that these idiots would use...thats why im asking

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« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2010, 01:16:01 PM »
Guess what - 70% of the population are scared of what the criminal illegal aliens have brought to AZ as well.  

Illegals kill more people every year than were killed in 911.    

And that justifies passing laws that lead to racial profiling, harassing, detaining and possibly deporting innocent American citizens?

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« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2010, 01:20:01 PM »
im asking because "illegal" was envoked in this thread...and if he is here legally then it the issue shouldnt even be noted as it takes away from the real issue which is this cops racists behavior and tries to divert attention with the "well if he was here legally it wouldnt have happened" argument that these idiots would use...thats why im asking

Yes, I saw that too.  Somebody else brought up illegal immigrants in this thread, long before I posted.  Judging from some of the posts in this thread, some people assumed this victim is Mexican and an illegal immigrant.

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« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2010, 01:21:47 PM »
No it doesnt, however, almost any law passed trying to curb illegal immigration is going to get classified as racist since the overwhelming percentage of illegals come from Mexico. 

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« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2010, 01:26:35 PM »
Yes, I saw that too.  Somebody else brought up illegal immigrants in this thread, long before I posted.  Judging from some of the posts in this thread, some people assumed this victim is Mexican and an illegal immigrant.

On i wasnt asking you personally like i was comin at you...i just wanted to know...because it dosent have anything to do with the actions of this cop...

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« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2010, 01:29:03 PM »
On i wasnt asking you personally like i was comin at you...i just wanted to know...because it dosent have anything to do with the actions of this cop...

And the cops where I live throw beat downs and call the guy a pussy and fag.  Is that any better than being called another name? 

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« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2010, 01:31:24 PM »
So what if I did?  I wouldn't be the only one:

In Arizona, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, who has been a cop for 52 years, says it will definitely lead to racial profiling. He told local TV station KGUN9 that the law is “racist,” “digusting,” and “unnecessary,” and he won’t enforce it. While the law may not explicitly mandate profiling, Dupnik said that there’s no way to enforce it without doing so; the “lawful contact” provision will become nothing but a “flimsy excuse” to target certain people.

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/arizona-sheriff-clarence-dupnik-will-no

I agree with Sheriff Clarence Dupnik!
Unfortunately, there is and always will be racial profiling. That should not stop us from applying the lays of the land. It is for our safety, sovernty, and economic stability.

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« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2010, 01:32:06 PM »
It's more than just a complaint.  Latino American citizens in Arizona are afraid, with good reason.
If they are illegal, they should be.

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« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2010, 01:34:15 PM »
If they are illegal, they should be.

How is an American citizen in the US illegal?

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« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2010, 01:39:57 PM »
Hypothetically - what if the guy said he just drank 6 coronas and then the cop said this? 

He would be ok no? 

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« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2010, 01:40:35 PM »
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No, but you implied this was strictly a racist bill. It's a bill that enforces the federal laws. It is 18 pages long. It does not allow police to stop you because you look the part, but to allow them to ask for papers when investigating other issues such as traffic stops. What is wrong with that??

Looking the part? That's exactly what racial profiling is dude?

If you get stopped and you "look" like an illegal you can be asked to show your papers?

What if all of a sudden we made REAL sense and remembered that all people here illegally didn't come from the south of Mexico.... How about those illegal Irish people?

Wait... Then every white person would have to carry something showing them to be a citizen? Does this mean I need to carry my birth certificate around with me?

Doesn't make sense? You're right... It really doesn't.

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« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2010, 01:49:54 PM »
Hypothetically - what if the guy said he just drank 6 coronas and then the cop said this? 

He would be ok no? 

he would be wrong to beat an innocent man. period

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« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2010, 01:53:07 PM »
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he would be wrong to beat an innocent man. period

Actually, the bigger question is not is the guy innocent or guilty, but why are you beating a man who's down and on the ground and already subdued.

Another thing to bring up would be whether or not the guy had the impression he was under arrest. There is a lot of legal precedent about people who believe they are under arrest even if they are not told so.

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« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2010, 01:54:52 PM »
Actually, the bigger question is not is the guy innocent or guilty, but why are you beating a man who's down and on the ground and already subdued.

Another thing to bring up would be whether or not the guy had the impression he was under arrest. There is a lot of legal precedent about people who believe they are under arrest even if they are not told so.

Oh agree with you there...But the fools here will say "well if he didnt dont do nothing then it wouldnt have happened.." totally discounting our system on one end..but want the system to run smooth on the other end

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« Reply #45 on: May 11, 2010, 01:56:52 PM »
I assume 99% of cops do this so this is not surprising. 

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« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2010, 02:02:12 PM »
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I assume 99% of cops do this so this is not surprising. 

If that's the assumption, then we shouldn't have cops at all.

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« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2010, 02:05:43 PM »
I assume 99% of cops do this so this is not surprising. 
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I assume? Hmm..You are giving your assumption an affirmative property arent you?

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« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2010, 02:17:18 PM »
So let me see,you put articles up that happened WAY before this law passed.So what is your complaint again?With the scruitiny this law is getting they wont dare make a mistake.You should be celebrating the law.

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« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2010, 05:29:57 AM »
So let me see,you put articles up that happened WAY before this law passed.So what is your complaint again?With the scruitiny this law is getting they wont dare make a mistake.You should be celebrating the law.

Though the Arizona immigration law passed, it has not yet gone into effect.

The articles that I posted above are in response to your question:

How would an innocent LEGAL immigrant be deported.What are you talking about?

All a cop in Arizona has to do is confuse an innocent Latino American citizen with a criminal, just like what happened in Seattle.  The cop will then ask for proof of citizenship since this guy looks like a "Fucking Mexican."  If this American citizen happens to have forgotten his wallet at home, or if his wallet just got stolen, the cops won't believe this "Fucking Mexican" and will turn him in to Homeland Security who will detain him for a while and then deport him, just like in the articles that I posted.

Even if the guy is just detained By Homeland Security for a while and then released, he and his family will suffer.  He may lose his job too for disappearing for days without calling.