An open letter to Vince Bassille, IFBB 1970 Mr Canada

[Howard]

Vince,  
I suspect you already know that I tend to agree with you more than Bob Chick when it comes to current pro BB.
While I may agree with you "in principle" , I fully understand the rationale for his views. Bob is dealing with the current situation as it exists in pro BB. Dealing with that kind of reality requires a practical mindset, which Bob has ( in my opinion).
For example, I was an AAU national judge and member of the Mr/Ms America committe. In the 90's we voted to begin drug testing.
We started with the USA and finally tested the America. In '93, the winner tested postive but sued and the matter was settled out of court. The next yr , the MDWT/overall champ,Charles Durr tested positive along with all with the 2nd and 3rd place men in the overall posedown. The title was awarded to the Hvy wt , who was 4th but pased the drug test.
Charkles Durr filed a law suit against AAU bodybuilding for violation of drug testing protocal . The test results showed his test/epi test ratio was many times above the normal range, so he filed suit based on testing protocol since the chairmen was a bit loose with the testing procedures. Disney Sports underwrote the Insurance for all AAU sanctioned sports. Yup, that Disney, the Mickey Mouse - Dinsey World folks. Disgusted by the rash of positive tests and law suits from it, they decided to drop bodybuilding from their list of sports. Without the Disney name and money behind it, the AAU also dropped physique and this soon ended the longest running BB meet in history; the Mr America.

It is my belief that had we avoided all the drug problems, the MR/ Ms America would have been part of Disney Sports and held within the Orando venue for sport.
Sadly Vince, the vast majority of those who really get into bodybuilding want drugs. In fact many feel that BB without roids is as bad as doing it without wts. Perhaps we should simply enjoy the sport for what it is and enjoy the bennefits of living a healthy BB lifestyle via training and diet.

[Stark]

Why didn't you PM him?   

[The Showstoppa]

Pure flotsam.

[~UN_$ung~]

Vince,  
I suspect you already know that I tend to agree with you more than Bob Chick when it comes to current pro BB.
While I may agree with you "in principle" , I fully understand the rationale for his views. Bob is dealing with the current situation as it exists in pro BB. Dealing with that kind of reality requires a practical mindset, which Bob has ( in my opinion).
For example, I was an AAU national judge and member of the Mr/Ms America committe. In the 90's we voted to begin drug testing.
We started with the USA and finally tested the America. In '93, the winner tested postive but sued and the matter was settled out of court. The next yr , the MDWT/overall champ,Charles Durr tested positive along with all with the 2nd and 3rd place men in the overall posedown. The title was awarded to the Hvy wt , who was 4th but pased the drug test.
Charkles Durr filed a law suit against AAU bodybuilding for violation of drug testing protocal . The test results showed his test/epi test ratio was many times above the normal range, so he filed suit based on testing protocol since the chairmen was a bit loose with the testing procedures. Disney Sports underwrote the Insurance for all AAU sanctioned sports. Yup, that Disney, the Mickey Mouse - Dinsey World folks. Disgusted by the rash of positive tests and law suits from it, they decided to drop bodybuilding from their list of sports. Without the Disney name and money behind it, the AAU also dropped physique and this soon ended the longest running BB meet in history; the Mr America.

It is my belief that had we avoided all the drug problems, the MR/ Ms America would have been part of Disney Sports and held within the Orando venue for sport.
Sadly Vince, the vast majority of those who really get into bodybuilding want drugs. In fact many feel that BB without roids is as bad as doing it without wts. Perhaps we should simply enjoy the sport for what it is and enjoy the bennefits of living a healthy BB lifestyle via training and diet.

could you and vince get together......and kill yourselves

fucking fat creepy old men spamming a bodybuilding board.............NO ONE WANTS YOU HERE

[Howard]

Why didn't you PM him?   

I wanted others to read about why drug testing can backfire, even with the best intentions if the vast majority want it and it is the current norm.

[Howard]

could you and vince get together......and kill yourselves

fucking fat creepy old men spamming a bodybuilding board.............NO ONE WANTS YOU HERE

I have been posting on this and other boards since they started in the 90's.Obviously, I have been called every dumb name in the book and it didn't drive me off, why would you even phase me .
If you don't like my posts:
1. Don't read 'em
2. Suck a fart out of my dogs ass and deal with it
Your call chief?

[dr.chimps]

Pure flotsam.

Nonsense. That's %100 jetsam. I'd know it anywhere.

[Stark]

I wanted others to read about why drug testing can backfire, even with the best intentions if the vast majority want it and it is the current norm.

Vince is the wrong one to ask regarding steroid usage

[~UN_$ung~]

I have been posting on this and other boards since they started in the 90's.Obviously, I have been called every dumb name in the book and it didn't drive me off, why would you even phase me .
If you don't like my posts:
1. Don't read 'em
2. Suck a fart out of my dogs ass and deal with it
Your call chief?

right, so you acknowledge that people simply do not like you, and find you annoying.....that being said......why would you want to be somewhere where you are unwanted??

and why do you do shit like that to you dog??

[ChristopherA]

Nonsense. That's %100 jetsam. I'd know it anywhere.

Holy shit fucking hilarious!

[Les Grossman]

I wanted others to read about why drug testing can backfire, even with the best intentions if the vast majority want it and it is the current norm.

Drug testing didn't backfire....a drug using bodybuilder (Charles Durr) bitchslapped a rinky-dink organization with no leadership, vision, or common sense and no one had the sack to call his bluff.

[emn1964]

Howard you open your mouth and your lack of intelligence shines thru like a beacon in the night...drug testing did not fail in the aau example.  The aau dim wits that administered the test failed to follow the org's own protocol.  So blame the people that administered the test.

[Van_Bilderass]

Basile, Howard and Goodrum all suffer from the same mental illness. They possess some kind of intelligence while at the same being completely delusional and lacking all common sense.

No wonder Basile is in love with Goodrum, they are so alike.

[Howard]

Basile, Howard and Goodrum all suffer from the same mental illness. They possess some kind of intelligence while at the same being completely delusional and lacking all common sense.

No wonder Basile is in love with Goodrum, they are so alike.

I will take this under advisement while taking a  dump later.

[johnnynoname]

epic faggotry in wanting to talk to a muscle bear on a public forum

[The Showstoppa]

Nonsense. That's %100 jetsam. I'd know it anywhere.

Well, you are a fellow Canadian of his....

[Howard]

right, so you acknowledge that people simply do not like you, and find you annoying.....that being said......why would you want to be somewhere where you are unwanted??

and why do you do shit like that to you dog??

It is an OPEN bodybuilding forum there chief. Some will agree with some posts others will not, that is life.
Unlike some, I can speak my mind and can voice an opinion I know is not popular.

Now, my dog needs her salad tossed so have at it.

[Howard]

Drug testing didn't backfire....a drug using bodybuilder (Charles Durr) bitchslapped a rinky-dink organization with no leadership, vision, or common sense and no one had the sack to call his bluff.

Din, ding ding, looks like you missed the boat here on comprehension of my example.
yeah, right  Disney who undewrote the meet is pretty rinky dink. yeah right
My pt was that because drug use is some common and accepted in hardcore BB, they would rather refuse to stop and risk ending the contest than have it be drug free.

[Van_Bilderass]

My pt was that because drug use is some common and accepted in hardcore BB, they would rather refuse to stop and risk ending the contest than have it be drug free.

It's common? No shit?! You will never get it into your delusional brain that bodybuilding IS drugs. There is NO bodybuilding without drugs. Drug testing bodybuilders is the most ridiculous idea ever.

But you will continue to have a one man debate about this topic. There's no hope for you.

[FREAKgeek]

[Howard]

It's common? No shit?! You will never get it into your delusional brain that bodybuilding IS drugs. There is NO bodybuilding without drugs. Drug testing bodybuilders is the most ridiculous idea ever.

But you will continue to have a one man debate about this topic. There's no hope for you.

Obviously, any hard training gifted bodybuilder can make gains and look decent without drugs.
You may not get the massive freaks you desire to see, but it still is bodybuilding with or wothout drugs.
This kind of mindset seems more drug addict than advocate, sorry but it does.
Hmmm, female bodybuilding really took off when they went to drug extremes, right? 

[emn1964]

Obviously, any hard training gifted bodybuilder can make gains and look decent without drugs.
You may not get the massive freaks you desire to see, but it still is bodybuilding with or wothout drugs.
This kind of mindset seems more drug addict than advocate, sorry but it does.
Hmmm, female bodybuilding really took off when they went to drug extremes, right? 

so what exactly is the point of your original post?

[Les Grossman]

Din, ding ding, looks like you missed the boat here on comprehension of my example.
yeah, right  Disney who undewrote the meet is pretty rinky dink. yeah right
My pt was that because drug use is some common and accepted in hardcore BB, they would rather refuse to stop and risk ending the contest than have it be drug free.

I didn't miss shit....you were part of a committee that voted to implement drug testing. You went about it half-assed. Charles Durr failed your test and then teabagged the lot of you and not one of the "committee" had the sack to stand up to him. Drug use is prevalent in BBing because that is where the "image based" profits are made. Supplements, books and magazine sales etc. are driven by the goal of the "unattainable" physique. People pay to see the freaks....no one is interested in attending a BBing show where the contestants look like long distance swimmers.

If the schmoe Weiders couldn't (or didn't want to) remove drugs from BBing what made you think you could?

[SusanFitness]

haha, oh brother, the drama.   Gotta love it when these dudes make a post on a forum and call it an "open letter".

[dr.chimps]

Well, you are a fellow Canadian of his....

Of course, you know, this means war!