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CBO ups health care cost projections
Politico ^ | May 11, 2010 | Jennifer Haberkorn

Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:26:34 PM by jazusamo
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Congressional Budget Office estimates released Tuesday predict the health care overhaul will likely cost about $115 billion more in discretionary spending over ten years than the original cost projections.

The additional spending — if approved over the years by Congress — would bring the total estimated cost of the overhaul to about $1 trillion.

The Congressional Budget Office expects the federal agencies to spend $10 billion to $20 billion over 10 years on administrative costs to implement the overhaul. The CBO expects Congress to spend an additional $105 billion over 10 years to fund discretionary programs in the overhaul.

The CBO released the estimates in response to a request from California Rep. Jerry Lewis, ranking Republican on the House Appropriations Committee. A spokeswoman for Lewis said the inquiry was filed before the House voted on the bill.

“[L]arge sums of discretionary spending in both the House and Senate versions of the health care reform bills have not yet been included in estimates by the CBO, rendering it impossible to make informed decisions regarding the outcome of this legislation,” Lewis wrote in a February letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, asking her to postpone votes until the discretionary spending analysis was complete.

The CBO estimated in March that the net cost of the overhaul would be $788 billion over 10 years, but cautioned that it couldn’t make an estimate of the discretionary costs without more time and information.

The figures represent estimates as to how Congress will decide to spend money. The CBO cautions that lawmakers could decide to spend less. They would still have to respect the administration’s nonsecurity discretionary spending freeze.

The Department of Health and Human Services is expected to need $5 billion to $10 billion to implement changes in Medicare, Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program and insurance industry reforms, according to CBO estimates.

The nonpartisan CBO expects the Internal Revenue Service to spend another $5 billion to $10 billion on implementing the rules regarding premiums and cost-sharing credits.

The legislation says that the agencies would receive the funding to implement the programs through the appropriations process.

“The law establishes a number of new programs and activities, as well as authorizing new funding for existing programs,” CBO director Douglas W. Elmendorf said in the letter. “By their nature, however, all such potential effects on discretionary spending are subject to future appropriation actions, which could result in greater or smaller costs than the sums authorized by the legislation.”

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But, but but but but  . . .   all you assholes kneepadded for this shit telling me the CBO said it was deficit neutral.

  




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Bump for anyone who supported ObamaCare. 

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Are you kidding 33?  Most of the clowns pointing out the whole CBO shit didn't even have a basic understanding of how the CBO derived it's numbers or the assumptions made.  Don't hold your breath looking for them to defend it.

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Are you kidding 33?  Most of the clowns pointing out the whole CBO shit didn't even have a basic understanding of how the CBO derived it's numbers or the assumptions made.  Don't hold your breath looking for them to defend it.
exactly they took the misinformation that obama fed them and ran with it...240, straw, blacken, KC wont post in this thread...

whats sad is that they had ppl pointing out the probems with the cbo numbers that they were touting and didnt even bother to look into them... ::)

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Suckers.

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What pisses me off is that I told everyone well before this even got to the vote that the cbonumbers were a sham and everyone accused me of all sorts of shit.

Guess what morons - the the liar and psycho you voted for punked your stupid asses just like on the stimulus bill.

And considering what I see going on now - the same morons are going to get punked again following this pofs kenyan fraud off the cliff.

Just aks yourselves - at what point will you be tired of being played for a fool? 

You idiots were played for fools on the stim bill.  You were played for fools on obamacare. You were played for fools on the wars.  You were played for fools on transparency. 

At what point will you admit that you can't trust anything coming from the govt? 

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What pisses me off is that I told everyone well before this even got to the vote that the cbonumbers were a sham and everyone accused me of all sorts of shit.

Guess what morons - the the liar and psycho you voted for punked your stupid asses just like on the stimulus bill.

And considering what I see going on now - the same morons are going to get punked again following this pofs kenyan fraud off the cliff.

Just aks yourselves - at what point will you be tired of being played for a fool? 

You idiots were played for fools on the stim bill.  You were played for fools on obamacare. You were played for fools on the wars.  You were played for fools on transparency. 

At what point will you admit that you can't trust anything coming from the govt? 

try to calm down

either you believe the CBO PROJECTIONS or you don't

if they were bullshit before then why are they gospel now?

As far as I can tell from both past and current #'s there is still a PROJECTED net savings

they (the evil CBO) also give credence/blame/cover/credit to all kinds of variables

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“[L]arge sums of discretionary spending in both the House and Senate versions of the health care reform bills have not yet been included in estimates by the CBO, rendering it impossible to make informed decisions regarding the outcome of this legislation,” Lewis wrote in a February letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, asking her to postpone votes until the discretionary spending analysis was complete.

The CBO estimated in March that the net cost of the overhaul would be $788 billion over 10 years, but cautioned that it couldn’t make an estimate of the discretionary costs without more time and information.

The figures represent estimates as to how Congress will decide to spend money. The CBO cautions that lawmakers could decide to spend less. They would still have to respect the administration’s nonsecurity discretionary spending freeze.


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Unreal how uninformed and ignorant you are concerning this.

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"Lawmakers could spend less"...hahahaha riiiight and just like debt ceilings that keep climbing, spending freezes are jut a bunch of bullshit.

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"What pisses me off is that I told everyone well before this even got to the vote that the cbonumbers were a sham and everyone accused me of all sorts of shit. "

It doesn't take nostradamas to predict EVERY SINGLE GOVT SPENDING PACKAGE will go over budget.  Have you ever seen them paint a stop sign without spending over budget?

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Re: CBO ups ObamaCare cost projections by $115 Billion over 10 years.
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2010, 05:34:53 AM »
This is not about going over budget once the thing is already in place.

This is about the absolute garbage and lies the democrats put before the CBO from the beginning to get their scoring they wanted all along to fool the idiot public like Straw, Mons, and Blacken, KNOWING FULL WELL IT WAS A LIE FROM DAY 1!     

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Re: CBO ups ObamaCare cost projections by $115 Billion over 10 years.
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2010, 09:14:53 AM »
Rush stealing my materials again. 

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Re: CBO ups ObamaCare cost projections by $115 Billion over 10 years.
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2010, 09:42:56 AM »
try to calm down

either you believe the CBO PROJECTIONS or you don't

if they were bullshit before then why are they gospel now?

As far as I can tell from both past and current #'s there is still a PROJECTED net savings

they (the evil CBO) also give credence/blame/cover/credit to all kinds of variables



Exactly. The CBO flat out said that these numbers WEREN'T gospel in this report. Not only are the revised numbers based on discretionary spending that the CBO admittedly has no way of determining, but discretionary spending is subject to "pay-as-you-go" rules, so the report DOESN'T rule out the bill being deficit neutral.

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Re: CBO ups ObamaCare cost projections by $115 Billion over 10 years.
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2010, 09:57:48 AM »
The CBO scored the bill based on phoney garbage the democrats put forth in front of it, which were based on lies. 

The recent report includes the more realistic number which others including myself said would happen. 


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Re: CBO ups ObamaCare cost projections by $115 Billion over 10 years.
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2010, 10:03:01 AM »
straw youre a dip shit...the numbers were shit b/c the dems used smoke and mirrors(double counting etc) to produce the false numbers...MANY on here pointed out why they numbers were false, we did not shit on the CBO just the false numbers...The CBO doesnt have an agenda its like a mathmatical formula the problem is if you manipulate the data you put in you can manipulate the outcome just like the dems did...

OBVIOUSLY WE WERE RIGHT ABOUT THE NUMBERS BEING WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: CBO ups ObamaCare cost projections by $115 Billion over 10 years.
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2010, 10:04:14 AM »
The CBO scored the bill based on phoney garbage the democrats put forth in front of it, which were based on lies. 

The recent report includes the more realistic number which others including myself said would happen. 



The more recent report doesn't include more realistic numbers. It includes numbers that- in the very article you posted- the CBO admits may not ever exist.

The CBO doesn't score things based on what "democrats put forth in front of it." They use independent sources. Leading up to the passage of the bill, there were a lot of arguments between the CBO and the Obama administration because the CBO refused to use certain factors that the administration felt were important.

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Re: CBO ups ObamaCare cost projections by $115 Billion over 10 years.
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2010, 10:06:19 AM »
As far as I can tell from both past and current #'s there is still a PROJECTED net savings

they (the evil CBO) also give credence/blame/cover/credit to all kinds of variables



As far as you can tell? How can you make any sense of it?

Even from an optomistic point of view, the question would be not if it goes over the estimated budget but by how much since DISCRETIONARY spending is a complete unknown.

As far as you can tell. Please. Save it, sheep.

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Re: CBO ups ObamaCare cost projections by $115 Billion over 10 years.
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2010, 10:06:46 AM »
Ha ha ha!!!!!  

Like what the Obama Admn says really means anything?  These are the same pofs who said we have to spend $860 Billion to keep UE under 8%.  

What a joke you libs are.  A pathetic, gullible, naive, joke.  

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Re: CBO ups ObamaCare cost projections by $115 Billion over 10 years.
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2010, 10:10:55 AM »


Even from an optomistic point of view, the question would be not if it goes over the estimated budget but by how much since DISCRETIONARY spending is a complete unknown.


Exactly, which is why it is ridiculous that some members of this board are touting this latest report as proof of anything. It is a report made up of speculative, uninformed numbers.

(I'm conveniently ignoring the first part of that sentence.  ;D

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Re: CBO ups ObamaCare cost projections by $115 Billion over 10 years.
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2010, 10:20:40 AM »
Yeah, because government run social programs have never had HUGE discretionary spending. SSI, post office, etc.

Anything that the government has ever tried to fiscally manage has gone over estimated figures by a large margin.

History will repeat itself. Hopefully, we can avoid becoming Greece.

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Re: CBO ups ObamaCare cost projections by $115 Billion over 10 years.
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2010, 10:30:03 AM »
The Post Office and SSI run on the funds that they generate. So, those are actually good supporting arguments of why this program may actually be budget neutral.

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Re: CBO ups ObamaCare cost projections by $115 Billion over 10 years.
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2010, 10:38:03 AM »
Dear God - save me from these naive liberal dolts. 

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Re: CBO ups ObamaCare cost projections by $115 Billion over 10 years.
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2010, 11:15:26 AM »
As far as you can tell? How can you make any sense of it?

Even from an optomistic point of view, the question would be not if it goes over the estimated budget but by how much since DISCRETIONARY spending is a complete unknown.

As far as you can tell. Please. Save it, sheep.

here are the salient #'s from the CBO report in March:

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The bill will cost $940 billion over the first 10 years and reduce the deficit by $130 billion during that period. In the second 10 years -- so, 2020 to 2029 -- it will reduce the deficit by $1.2 trillion. The legislation will cover 32 million Americans, or 95 percent of the legal population.


Even if we have a PROJECTED increase in costs of 115 billion we still have a PROJECTED 15 billion dollar reduction in the defict pver the first ten years.

I'm sure even hysterical teabaggers can follow that math

There are so many moving parts in this thing that it's ridiculous to shit on the CBO #s in March and then pretend they are somehow accurate today

Let's check back in ten years and see what happened

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Re: CBO ups ObamaCare cost projections by $115 Billion over 10 years.
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2010, 11:37:13 AM »
The Post Office and SSI run on the funds that they generate. So, those are actually good supporting arguments of why this program may actually be budget neutral.
the post office is in the red and SSI has to keep pushing back the retiring age(which wont work forever) in order to maintain itself...they are prime examples of the ineptitude of the govt to be able to come in under budget... ::)

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Re: CBO ups ObamaCare cost projections by $115 Billion over 10 years.
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2010, 11:42:24 AM »
Government programs are typically 9x more expensive than their priginal cost estimates.  Look it up. 

Only a complete naive obama dildo like Straw and Al did not see this coming.