The ONLY reason Nasser lost the 97 Olympia

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'm not going to get dragged into a debate a la the "truce thread" which nearly 3000 pages long ... And you don't have a Dorian bias (uh right) I have no bias against Dorian and 2 you are not the authority on bbing judging.... I will repeat Dorian good condition good back yes ... That's it small arms ugly phsique wide waiste
if at the time the mr o was called the mr back competition then yes Dorian should win.
But to my knowledge a bbing competition should be JUDGED FROM ALL ANGLES. Dorian loses from the front sides and on multiple bodyparts. End of
now can someone who isn't biased try to explain why should a bber be allowed to win from the back one angle even with torn limbs.

There is NO debate , you'd have to know what you're talking about , the Truce thread was me correcting the ignorant people on how things work.

I never claimed to be the authority on bodybuilding judging but purely based on what you typed and what many have typed on here I and more knowledgeable than 99% of you

Dorian had small arms and a wide waist and ? you're cherry picking flaws and basing your opinion off of that , Nasser had NO back and shit conditioning , everyone has flaws it works both ways

I just explained to you it's not just a back contest , I explained what poses Nasser wins and what poses Dorian wins , and my point of view coincides with what the judges seen from all angles Dorian was better , you can cry politics all you like it's the default position of the ignorant , you can't have it both ways

[NarcissisticDeity]

That's the case apparent ... Flex (the magazine) said he caught Coleman from the back in 2005 (oh brother ) that set the stage for Coleman being dethroned in 2006 because from the front Coleman won ... But when he turned around his left lat was missing so justifiably he lost as should anyone with a torn visible muscle.... The let Dorian win the mr o with a torn 15 inch arm
that is what they crowned as the greatest phsique .... Bbing judging is a joke

This is a 15" arm? both of these pics are from 1997

[mesmorph78]

case in point
you are obsessed... how many paragraphs have you posted..
and continue to post even though i have said SPECIFICALLY I'm looking for a NUETRAL opinion...and answer to my question
i hope you love your wife or partner as much as you are as passionate about these dorian threads and defending dorian.

[Sherief Shalaby]

Well as usual you mistakenly assumed he only won it ' from the back ' when in fact he didn't , Nasser clearly wins the standing relaxed from the front and the front double biceps pose , and maybe the ab-thigh Dorian wins the front latspread , now turn to the sides , Dorian wins the 1/4 turns and side triceps and side chest and then turn them around and Dorian obliterates him from the back it's no contest

I really don't care about 1997 , you can give it to Nasser , what did he accomplish? he beat a career worse Dorian , wow wee it's like Jay beating Ronnie in 06

the reason Nasser lost in 1997 was his mediocre conditioning and his massive liability of a back. The back is a huge and complex muscle group you think Dorian's torn bicep and tricep are more a liability than missing clear development , detail and density of an entire group? it looks like someone took an eraser to Nasser's back

There are two people , one who vastly understates his pathetic back and people who know how pathetic it is. break down the back and compare

traps - Dorian's are larger and thicker with more detail and density , Nasser's traps are pretty big but not Yates big or as dense and detailed

teres - same as above you look at the difference in just physical size , depth and separation between the two it's no contest , you can see on Dorian the clear separation from the infraspinatus and lats and they look like tissue paper covering raw muscle , on Nasser it's barely noticeable and looks washed over

infraspinatus - exact same as above the clear separation between it and the teres and the lats & traps ,  you can see it on Nasser like Yates , which shows you his back is not as dense , i.e. his back is carrying more subcutaneous fat and more water

lats - whoa guess who has another clear advantage here? Nasser may be , and that's being kind may be as ' wide ' as Dorian and that's it. the difference again is staggering , Dorian's are thicker , denser and more detailed his lower lats are feathered with striations in a manor which Nasser's NEVER were

erector spinae - Dorian again just outclasses Nasser in this area , there is NO discussion when it comes to any part of the back. Dorian's are thicker more detailed which is exactly why his x-mass tree is clearly defined and Nasser never had one

Dorian's back is thicker , denser , drier and more detailed as a whole there is NO comparison in backs and you think a torn tricep and bicep are worse than a back that's missing traps , teres , infranspinatus , lats and spinal erectors? a back that's missing comparable thickness and physical size in relation to his other parts?

You dislike Dorian at all costs because you like men with pretty physiques , you're ignorant on how contests are judged and are also incapable of looking past your own preferences and biases , so just because things don't match your slanted view on how things should have went doesn't mean the sport is the one with the problem.

you asshole how come you see dorian better in the 1/4 turns that year while one of them was showing his tottaly deformed arm?!!

i shall add this to the list of your stupid opinions like nasser was not built to be a mass monster and fux had a small waste!!

[Sherief Shalaby]

Well as usual you mistakenly assumed he only won it ' from the back ' when in fact he didn't , Nasser clearly wins the standing relaxed from the front and the front double biceps pose , and maybe the ab-thigh Dorian wins the front latspread , now turn to the sides , Dorian wins the 1/4 turns and side triceps and side chest and then turn them around and Dorian obliterates him from the back it's no contest

I really don't care about 1997 , you can give it to Nasser , what did he accomplish? he beat a career worse Dorian , wow wee it's like Jay beating Ronnie in 06

the reason Nasser lost in 1997 was his mediocre conditioning and his massive liability of a back. The back is a huge and complex muscle group you think Dorian's torn bicep and tricep are more a liability than missing clear development , detail and density of an entire group? it looks like someone took an eraser to Nasser's back

There are two people , one who vastly understates his pathetic back and people who know how pathetic it is. break down the back and compare

traps - Dorian's are larger and thicker with more detail and density , Nasser's traps are pretty big but not Yates big or as dense and detailed

teres - same as above you look at the difference in just physical size , depth and separation between the two it's no contest , you can see on Dorian the clear separation from the infraspinatus and lats and they look like tissue paper covering raw muscle , on Nasser it's barely noticeable and looks washed over

infraspinatus - exact same as above the clear separation between it and the teres and the lats & traps ,  you can see it on Nasser like Yates , which shows you his back is not as dense , i.e. his back is carrying more subcutaneous fat and more water

lats - whoa guess who has another clear advantage here? Nasser may be , and that's being kind may be as ' wide ' as Dorian and that's it. the difference again is staggering , Dorian's are thicker , denser and more detailed his lower lats are feathered with striations in a manor which Nasser's NEVER were

erector spinae - Dorian again just outclasses Nasser in this area , there is NO discussion when it comes to any part of the back. Dorian's are thicker more detailed which is exactly why his x-mass tree is clearly defined and Nasser never had one

Dorian's back is thicker , denser , drier and more detailed as a whole there is NO comparison in backs and you think a torn tricep and bicep are worse than a back that's missing traps , teres , infranspinatus , lats and spinal erectors? a back that's missing comparable thickness and physical size in relation to his other parts?

You dislike Dorian at all costs because you like men with pretty physiques , you're ignorant on how contests are judged and are also incapable of looking past your own preferences and biases , so just because things don't match your slanted view on how things should have went doesn't mean the sport is the one with the problem.

and here after reading most of your boring post you are dealing with bb as separate parts!!..

kid, bb is a whole thing, you cant say better arms, better back, better ass.. etc.. you must look at any physique as one piece!!.. there were many symmetrical and proportional defects in dorian's package on that day!!..

[Sherief Shalaby]

No disrespect nd but you were the LAST person I wanted to objectively answer my question... You are completely biased when it comes to Dorian.... I think you love Dorian more than he loves himself so.. While your answer is lengthy I'm still waiting on a neutral party to answer my question

huh.. is the pope christian!!..

[Sherief Shalaby]

according to mr. "i love dorian's cock more than myself" ND dorian was better than nasser in the FLS pose in 1997

unless you too love dorian's cock you will never understand his point of view

[Palpatine Q]

i just think its funny when ShabalabaDingDong calls people "Kid"....overcompensation at its finest

[Sherief Shalaby]

i just think its funny when ShabalabaDingDong calls people "Kid"....overcompensation at its finest

seriously gronk who do you think was better in the FLS pose in the above pic.??.. i trust you will put all the shit aside and say your real opinion..

[Palpatine Q]

pics are meaningless...thats why I laugh at you guys constantly posting pics where "your guy"...looks better. In every video I have ever seen Dorian looks so much thicker and drier than everyone else onstage its ridiculous. Also when you see Nassers back on video you can tell how soft and shitty it was.....not slamming Nassers, i speak the truth. Vids tell a better story.

[Shockwave]

according to mr. "i love dorian's cock more than myself" ND dorian was better than nasser in the FLS pose in 1997

unless you too love dorian's cock you will never understand his point of view

Dorian here is making Nasser look soft and thin (front to back)

[mesmorph78]

no he isnt check that front flat spread
look at the pecs and quads
nasser blew dorian away from front and side you dorian fan boys... are blinded with love
im a fan of ronnie as everyone knows but i will clearly admit when he is off
not you dorian fan boys
dorian looks like a sack of shit
no waywas that the greatest overal phsique in pro bbing at that time
he had one arm for christs sake..
no wonder nasser shawn and kevin was so bitter at times.....
the judging was completley ludicrous

[Sherief Shalaby]

pics are meaningless...thats why I laugh at you guys constantly posting pics where "your guy"...looks better. In every video I have ever seen Dorian looks so much thicker and drier than everyone else onstage its ridiculous. Also when you see Nassers back on video you can tell how soft and shitty it was.....not slamming Nassers, i speak the truth. Vids tell a better story.

so according to you nasser looks better in pics and dorian looks better in videos!!.. as always there is no sense in what you say

[Shockwave]

no he isnt check that front flat spread
look at the pecs and quads
nasser blew dorian away from front and side you dorian fan boys... are blinded with love
im a fan of ronnie as everyone knows but i will clearly admit when he is off
not you dorian fan boys
dorian looks like a sack of shit
no waywas that the greatest overal phsique in pro bbing at that time
he had one arm for christs sake..
no wonder nasser shawn and kevin was so bitter at times.....
the judging was completley ludicrous

I have personally stated several times I feel Nasser probably should have won the 97 O.
But frankly Dorian is harder and thicker than Nasser. Nasser looks better, yes, but he isnt as hard nor thick.
And we all the judges want Big, dense, and conditioned with a huge back. So thats why they went with Dorian. Agree or disagree, thats just the way it is.
Note - I dont agree with the judging in 97.

[Sherief Shalaby]

Dorian here is making Nasser look soft and thin (front to back)

and what about dorian's small right arm and very small and deformed left arm??.. what about his relatively small chest and shoulders??.. what about his flat smooth injured quads??.. you dont see all these on dorian in this pose?!..

no balance,.. no symmetry,.. no proportion,.. no shape... only great back and calves!!.. sure i am not talking in general but about his shape on that certain day..

[Shockwave]

and what about dorian's small right arm and very small and deformed left arm??.. what about his relatively small chest and shoulders??.. what about his flat smooth injured quads??.. you dont see all these on dorian in this pose?!..

no balance,.. no symmetry,.. no proportion,.. no shape... only great back and calves!!.. sure i am not talking in general but about his shape on that certain day..

Look. We all know Dorian looked like shit in 97. I dont know what youre after here.
IMHO the front lat spread is one of the only poses Dorian won in 97. Its like your out to try and prove how Nasser dominated every pose in 97. Thats simply not true. Nasser lost the Front lat, both back poses, and IMHO, the side tri. Everthing else I give to Nasser.
Yes, everyone knows Dorian looks like shit in 97. What are you trying to prove here?

[Sherief Shalaby]

I have personally stated several times I feel Nasser probably should have won the 97 O.
But frankly Dorian is harder and thicker than Nasser. Nasser looks better, yes, but he isnt as hard nor thick.
And we all the judges want Big, dense, and conditioned with a huge back. So thats why they went with Dorian. Agree or disagree, thats just the way it is.
Note - I dont agree with the judging in 97.

condition means nothing if you dont have the shape, size, symmetry... etc.. or why  didnt andreas munzer win any olympia or even any big show??..

on that day dorian didnt have any symmetry or proportion of course and for sure his over all shape was bad.. even his size was not distributed in a good way over his different parts!!.. very big back and calves and of course very big belly, average size chest, upper legs and shoulders.. small right arm,.. very small left arm and deformed too..

it was really bad for the sport and for ray, nasser, and the rest of the top finishers and above all it was bad for dorian himself!!..

[mesmorph78]

condition means nothing if you dont have the shape, size, symmetry... etc.. or why  didnt andreas munzer win any olympia or even any big show??..

agree 100%
so that means if greg covacks is the most conditioned athlete of the day he should win
fucking bullshit
...
looking bak at the o just gone more bullshit
no way should branch beat dex or phil
because of his structure
jay isnt the pretiest bber but he has round muscle bellys and his size carries him ...
but this new criteria of get as big as you can and conditioned no thought for symetry is bullshit
...
i feel for dillet nasser shawn levrone...and others...

[Sherief Shalaby]

Look. We all know Dorian looked like shit in 97. I dont know what youre after here.
IMHO the front lat spread is one of the only poses Dorian won in 97. Its like your out to try and prove how Nasser dominated every pose in 97. Thats simply not true. Nasser lost the Front lat, both back poses, and IMHO, the side tri. Everthing else I give to Nasser.
Yes, everyone knows Dorian looks like shit in 97. What are you trying to prove here?

you are contradicting yourself here bro.!!.. you started a thread clarifying why nasser didnt win then you are saying dorian looked like shit still you see dorian better in 4 pose but still you dont agree with the judges he should have won!! ... how to see dorian better in 4 poses and nasser in everything else (3 poses) but still dont agree with dorian's victory!!..

you are reminding me of ND who once said "my personal opinion is that nasser should have won but i still agree with the judges"!!.. you guys always contradict yourselves in a strange way!!..

also it's funny you started this thread ONLY to have some argument with team nasser then you are asking me now "what are you trying to prove"!!.. i am not trying to prove anything, i am just giving you what you wanted from this thread ARGUMENT!!..

[NarcissisticDeity]

and here after reading most of your boring post you are dealing with bb as separate parts!!..

kid, bb is a whole thing, you cant say better arms, better back, better ass.. etc.. you must look at any physique as one piece!!.. there were many symmetrical and proportional defects in dorian's package on that day!!..

Another point way over your head , I was dealing with relative weaknesses and whose is more of a liability in the judges eyes

and it's me whose been preaching for eons all rounds are physique rounds and it's who meets ALL of the criteria better than the next guy wins

And did you also miss the part where I said Nasser wins some poses and Dorian others? here's a clue try reading my posts carefully before you post and you wont run the risk of looking like a moron or have the need to lie about what I typed

[NarcissisticDeity]

according to mr. "i love dorian's cock more than myself" ND dorian was better than nasser in the FLS pose in 1997

unless you too love dorian's cock you will never understand his point of view

You speak often about ' cock ' what's on your mind little man? 

unless you can remove your head from Nasser's ass you'd see why Yates had a better front latspread

[NarcissisticDeity]

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you are reminding me of ND who once said "my personal opinion is that nasser should have won but i still agree with the judges"!!.. you guys always contradict yourselves in a strange way!!..

There you go again making up lies , must be frustrating you can't work within the parameters of the truth

typing what you want in quotations and trying to pass it off as what I said , I said on many occasions , Dorian shouldn't have won but Nasser didn't beat him , in some pictures Dorian looks horrible and in others he looks like the clear winner

so keep making things up and I will keep making you look like a moron 

[Shockwave]

you are contradicting yourself here bro.!!.. you started a thread clarifying why nasser didnt win then you are saying dorian looked like shit still you see dorian better in 4 pose but still you dont agree with the judges he should have won!! ... how to see dorian better in 4 poses and nasser in everything else (3 poses) but still dont agree with dorian's victory!!..

you are reminding me of ND who once said "my personal opinion is that nasser should have won but i still agree with the judges"!!.. you guys always contradict yourselves in a strange way!!..

also it's funny you started this thread ONLY to have some argument with team nasser then you are asking me now "what are you trying to prove"!!.. i am not trying to prove anything, i am just giving you what you wanted from this thread ARGUMENT!!..

No, its the fact that you have tunnel vision.
I might not agree with Dorians win, but I understand why they awarded him the O.
Obviously you cannot fathom that someone may have their own opinion, but understand why theyre opinion is incorrect. 

Look, ill spell it out for you.
The judges want the biggest best conditioned man with a huge back.
Just cause I think that Nasser looked better and I would have awarded Nasser the O doesnt mean the judges share my opinion. Obviously they didnt. So you can go on and on with why your opinion is correct and this and that, but quite frankly the guys who judge contests dont agree with you, so your opinion is moot.

Judges = want the biggest, most conditioned guy with a huge back.
Nasser = No back.
Nasser = lose.

This is why I say I may not agree with the judges, but I understand why they gave him the win. I know youre too dense to understand that, but please try and wrap your head around the idea that a person can have an opinion that contradicts someone elses opinion. 

[JP_RC]

Look, ill spell it out for you.
The judges want the biggest best conditioned man with a huge back.
Just cause I think that Nasser looked better and I would have awarded Nasser the O doesnt mean the judges share my opinion. Obviously they didnt. So you can go on and on with why your opinion is correct and this and that, but quite frankly the guys who judge contests dont agree with you, so your opinion is moot.

I don't think its as simple as the biggest best conditioned man with a huge back. It may appear to be this way, but symmetry, proportion, posing, etc. are part of the judging criteria too.

[Shockwave]

I don't think its as simple as the biggest best conditioned man with a huge back. It may appear to be this way, but symmetry, proportion, posing, etc. are part of the judging criteria too.

Of course theyre is,... but i was intentionally being very basic, for teh specific reason that Nasser had no back,... so all the other shit just went out the window.

And if you really look at the judging, really, you guys want to complicate it, but the biggest best conditioned man with decent symmetry always seems to win.