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United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2008
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Arizona Crime Rates 1960 - 2008
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/azcrime.htm

Crime in Arizona has consistently gone down over the last 15 years, even while illegal immigration was increasing. The FBI's Uniform Crime Reports show that the violent crime rate statewide in Arizona has been cut by almost 40 percent since 1995, and property crimes have followed the same pattern.

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Violent crime rates -- including rape, murder and robbery -- haven't been this low since 1972 and Arizona's violent crime decreased at a faster rate than the national decline over the same period. More importantly, this decline in violent crime occurred during the very period that Arizona experienced a huge influx of illegal immigrants, with the Arizona border becoming the main source of illegal entry from Mexico in every year since 1998. Whatever other problems Arizonans have with illegal immigrants, they can't blame them for a nonexistent rise in violent crime.
http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20100503/COLUMNISTS19/5030312/Crime-in-Arizona-has-declined-even-as-illegal-immigration-has-increased



The state has an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants. But contrary to myth, they have not brought an epidemic of murder and mayhem with them. Surprise of surprises, the state has gotten safer.
Over the last decade, the violent crime rate has dropped by 19 percent, while property crime is down by 20 percent. Crime has also declined in the rest of the country, but not as fast as in Arizona.
Babeu's claim about police killings came as news to me. When I called his office to get a list of victims, I learned there has been only one since the beginning of 2008 -- deeply regrettable, but not exactly a trend.
Truth is, illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native Americans. Most come here to work, and in their desire to stay, they are generally afraid to do anything that might draw the attention of armed people wearing badges.
El Paso, Texas, is next door to the exceptionally violent Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, and easily accessible to illegal entry. Yet it is one of the safest cities in the United States.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/How-immigration-crackdowns-backfire-91842259.html



First, the falsehoods. House Republican Leader John Boehner, interviewed this morning on National Public Radio, said, "Because of the federal government's inability to control the border, you've got more violence on the border and more violence in Arizona than almost any other state."
No, it doesn't. As the illegal immigrant population has gone up, its crime rate has gone down. Its violent crime rate is below the national average.
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/steve_chapman/2010/04/revisiting-arizonas-immigration-law-.html

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LOL thinking this 2 are correlated...

el paso is not one of the safest cities in the country i read that article and the guy doesnt give any stats or cite any sources seems like an OP ED to me loco  ;)

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LOL thinking this 2 are correlated...

el paso is not one of the safest cities in the country i read that article and the guy doesnt give any stats or cite any sources seems like an OP ED to me loco  ;)

What about the decline of the crime rate in Arizona as illegal immigration has increased?  Stats are at the top of the thread.

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LOL thinking this 2 are correlated...

el paso is not one of the safest cities in the country i read that article and the guy doesnt give any stats or cite any sources seems like an OP ED to me loco  ;)

loco because you disagree with it?
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Yet violent crimes like kidnapping have gone up almost exponentially. Maybe not all violent crime in general, but kidnappings are continuing to increase.

"PHOENIX — A 13-year-old girl was grabbed off the street and thrown into an SUV by Mexican kidnappers who mistakenly believed she was the niece of a drug dealer who helped steal 55 pounds of marijuana.

The girl pleaded with her kidnappers that they had abducted the wrong person, but they hit her over the head, bound her with duct tape and drove away as relatives watch helplessly.

In the wave of abductions that have gripped the Phoenix area, this case illustrates one of the greatest fears of police: the possibility that kidnappings might expand beyond the underworld of drug and human trafficking to target law-abiding people.

"We get enough problems with just bad-guy-on-bad-guy" abductions, Police Chief Jack Harris said. "If you expand it to where they are going after these regular citizens, we just don't have that kind of personnel to be able to invest in those kinds of cases at that level."

With 368 reported kidnappings in 2008, Phoenix has swiftly become the nation's kidnapping capital. Abductions have become such a persistent problem that police created a special squad of anti-kidnapping officers.

Authorities hope to avoid the mistakes of Mexican police, who ignored kidnappings involving smugglers _ a decision that may have encouraged gangs to start snatching ordinary people displaying signs of even modest wealth.

The Mexican government usually disregards the problem "unless it is a high-profile case _ a very rich person or a famous person who was kidnapped," said Jose Luis Velasco Cruz, a researcher at the National Autonomous University of Mexico and an expert in drug crimes.

Over the last several years, many kidnappings in Phoenix have involved drug traffickers abducting rivals, associates or their relatives. The abductions offer a way to collect unpaid debts, steal money from fellow traffickers or retaliate for earlier abductions.

Immigrant smugglers have also been known to do kidnappings, sometimes holding customers hostage to extort money from their families."



368 kidnappings in Phoenix (one city) in 2008 alone. Must be a lot of American criminals.  ::)

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What about the decline of the crime rate in Arizona as illegal immigration has increased?  Stats are at the top of the thread.
you see the problem you have is youre forgetting that with them being in this country THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

every illegal is a criminal... ;) whether they go on to break another law or not is inconsequential b/c they are already breaking the law

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if crime had spiked in that timespan, those who support this bill would damn sure be pointing it out.

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you see the problem you have is youre forgetting that with them being in this country THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

every illegal is a criminal... ;) whether they go on to break another law or not is inconsequential b/c they are already breaking the law

Nice spin!  

Arizona's government passed this new law under the pretext that illegal immigrants are responsible for an increase in violent crime.  They lied, and they lied on two accounts.  1. Crime in Arizona has declined even as illegal immigration has increased and 2. They falsely blame immigrants for what violent crime there is in Arizona without any proof.

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Nice spin!  

Arizona's government passed this new law under the pretext that illegal immigrants are responsible for an increase in violent crime.  They lied, and they lied on two accounts.  1. Crime in Arizona has declined even as illegal immigration has increased and 2. They falsely blame immigrants for what violent crime there is in Arizona without any proof.

Yes, violent crime in general may be down. That really means nothing when certain types of crime that are affecting more and more LEGAL American citizens are way up.  

The term "violent crime" encompasses five types of crime. Kidnapping and other crimes that have shown increases like grand theft auto aren't considered violent by the DoJ.

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you see the problem you have is youre forgetting that with them being in this country THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

every illegal is a criminal... ;) whether they go on to break another law or not is inconsequential b/c they are already breaking the law

I've always thought this was the most retarded argument. It's like saying Greece is more dangerous than Somalia because there are so many Greek tax cheats. Being an illegal immigrant is not a violent crime. I know you like to compare homosexuals to murderers, so I guess now border crossing is like murder, too?   8)

A streetcam program in Arizona was up for renewal but the gov't declined- not because it didn't work, but because it was too effective. The authorities realized there were certain instances when speeding was permissible, so they let the contract lapse. I'm not saying we should open our borders, but being an illegal immigrant isn't really indicative of a criminal mindset in other areas.

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This study confirms what I have been saying all along.

Most violent crime in Arizona is committed by the retirees in Scotsdale and the practice squad of the Arizona Cardinals. Illegals are just getting a bad rap.

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I've always thought this was the most retarded argument. It's like saying Greece is more dangerous than Somalia because there are so many Greek tax cheats. Being an illegal immigrant is not a violent crime. I know you like to compare homosexuals to murderers, so I guess now border crossing is like murder, too?   8)

A streetcam program in Arizona was up for renewal but the gov't declined- not because it didn't work, but because it was too effective. The authorities realized there were certain instances when speeding was permissible, so they let the contract lapse. I'm not saying we should open our borders, but being an illegal immigrant isn't really indicative of a criminal mindset in other areas.

Breaking the law is breaking the law.

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Breaking the law is breaking the law.

I know... that's why every single criminal gets exactly the same sentence.

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I know... that's why every single criminal gets exactly the same sentence.

If it's OK for illegals to break the law, then it should be OK for pedophiles, rapists and murderers to do the same. There are people who don't think those crimes aren't that big of a deal. If certain criminals are going to get amnesty and a second chance, then why shouldn't every criminal?

The hilarity of this situation is that once again America is the only country being vilified by this. Go to any European or Asian country without any papers and you'll get your ass kicked out the second they find out. Same would happen in Mexico, after the cops shook you down, of course.

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Please stop.You know different crimes have different levels of severity. There is a MASSIVE difference between molesting a child and simply existing in a country. To pretend otherwise is not even worth further comment.

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BF your missing the point. Only America should ignore it's border and immigration laws. For all the harm that America has done to the world, this country should allow unlimited illegal immigration for anyone that comes from anywhere.

The hope is that one day America will be as shitty as it is everywhere else. Then, once that equilibrium has been restored, humanity can begin to heal itself.

After that occurs, slavery reparations should be paid, Israel should be abolished and freedom of speech should be discontinued because words hurt. Don't worry, if we keep taxing the non poor until they are poor, it will all even out!

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Yet violent crimes like kidnapping have gone up almost exponentially. Maybe not all violent crime in general, but kidnappings are continuing to increase.

"PHOENIX — A 13-year-old girl was grabbed off the street and thrown into an SUV by Mexican kidnappers who mistakenly believed she was the niece of a drug dealer who helped steal 55 pounds of marijuana.

The girl pleaded with her kidnappers that they had abducted the wrong person, but they hit her over the head, bound her with duct tape and drove away as relatives watch helplessly.

In the wave of abductions that have gripped the Phoenix area, this case illustrates one of the greatest fears of police: the possibility that kidnappings might expand beyond the underworld of drug and human trafficking to target law-abiding people.

"We get enough problems with just bad-guy-on-bad-guy" abductions, Police Chief Jack Harris said. "If you expand it to where they are going after these regular citizens, we just don't have that kind of personnel to be able to invest in those kinds of cases at that level."

With 368 reported kidnappings in 2008, Phoenix has swiftly become the nation's kidnapping capital. Abductions have become such a persistent problem that police created a special squad of anti-kidnapping officers.

Authorities hope to avoid the mistakes of Mexican police, who ignored kidnappings involving smugglers _ a decision that may have encouraged gangs to start snatching ordinary people displaying signs of even modest wealth.

The Mexican government usually disregards the problem "unless it is a high-profile case _ a very rich person or a famous person who was kidnapped," said Jose Luis Velasco Cruz, a researcher at the National Autonomous University of Mexico and an expert in drug crimes.

Over the last several years, many kidnappings in Phoenix have involved drug traffickers abducting rivals, associates or their relatives. The abductions offer a way to collect unpaid debts, steal money from fellow traffickers or retaliate for earlier abductions.

Immigrant smugglers have also been known to do kidnappings, sometimes holding customers hostage to extort money from their families."



368 kidnappings in Phoenix (one city) in 2008 alone. Must be a lot of American criminals.  ::)


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Why are you complaining about this?  The kidnappers are "cleaning up" Arizona and the US.

Studies show decrease in Arizona crime rates over time.

Written by Tactical-Life.com. Author Archive »

Supporters of Arizona’s harsh new immigration law claim that it is, in part, a crime-fighting measure. However, people like Republican State Senator Russell Pearce of Mesa, the bill’s author, overlook two salient points: crime rates have already been falling in Arizona for years despite the presence of unauthorized immigrants, and a century’s worth of research has demonstrated that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or be behind bars than the native-born. Furthermore, while much has been made about kidnappings in Arizona, law-enforcement officials indicate that most of these involve drug and human smugglers, as well as smuggled immigrants themselves - not the general population of the state.

The Immigration Policy Center releases a fact sheet which shows the decrease in Arizona crime rates over time. The fact sheet also indicates that states with high immigration have the lowest crime rates and that unauthorized immigration is not associated with higher crime rates.

Highlights include:

-According to data from the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics, violent crimes in Arizona fell from 512 per 100,000 people in 2005 to 447 per 100,000 people in 2008, the last year for which data is available.

-According to a 2008 report from the conservative Americas Majority Foundation, crime rates are lowest in states with the highest immigration growth rates, such as Arizona. From 1999 to 2006, the total crime rate declined 13.6 percent in the 19 highest-immigration states (including Arizona), compared to a 7.1 percent decline in the other 32 states.

-Although the unauthorized immigrant population doubled to about 12 million from 1994 to 2004, data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics indicates that the violent crime rate in the United States declined by 35.1 percent during this time and the property crime rate fell by 25.0 percent.

-Combating crime related to human smuggling requires more trust between immigrants and the police, not less. Yet the undermining of trust between police and the community is precisely what Arizona’s new law accomplishes. In the final analysis, immigration policy is not an effective means of addressing crime because the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/news/studies-show-decrease-in-arizona-crime-rates-over-time/?right=news

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Please stop.You know different crimes have different levels of severity. There is a MASSIVE difference between molesting a child and simply existing in a country. To pretend otherwise is not even worth further comment.

It's your perception that being an illegal alien isn't a big deal. My perception is that they shouldn't be allowed in this country, nor should they be rewarded for it by giving them amnesty a second chance. Someone else might perceive rape and pedophilia as OK. This is why laws exist.

Breaking the law is breaking the law.

Go to any European country illegally and I'll bet you will get kicked out on your ass when they find out.  ;)

BF your missing the point. Only America should ignore it's border and immigration laws. For all the harm that America has done to the world, this country should allow unlimited illegal immigration for anyone that comes from anywhere.

The hope is that one day America will be as shitty as it is everywhere else. Then, once that equilibrium has been restored, humanity can begin to heal itself.

After that occurs, slavery reparations should be paid, Israel should be abolished and freedom of speech should be discontinued because words hurt. Don't worry, if we keep taxing the non poor until they are poor, it will all even out!

Of course. It's only America that has to be the good, forgiving guy. Never mind that many European and Asian countries vigorously enforce their immigration laws. If I was working in Hong Kong and lost my job, I would have 30 days to find another job or get out.  ::)




And Loco, you're an idiot. While the majority of kidnappings involve drug cartels and their various members, the fact of the matter is that quite a few American citizens have been kidnapped due to mistaken identity or for other reasons like having money. It's amazing that this doesn't bother you but the perceived rights of an illegal alien being violated does. Once again, American citizens, who have the right to live their lives without fear of being mistaken for a drug mule and kidnapped, take a back seat to criminals. What a travesty.

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Nice spin!  

Arizona's government passed this new law under the pretext that illegal immigrants are responsible for an increase in violent crime.  They lied, and they lied on two accounts.  1. Crime in Arizona has declined even as illegal immigration has increased and 2. They falsely blame immigrants for what violent crime there is in Arizona without any proof.
Im not spinning shit loco tell me where i was wrong...

you on the other hand... ::)

that doesnt prove that illegals arent responsible for violent crimes...you need stats on the status of those who commit those crimes to do this...just saying that illegals have increased and crime decreased doesnt prove that point(sounds like youve been taking stats tips from AL)

legal citizens could be commiting less crime letting illegals commit more and still end up with a net loss...

get the stats for the status of those commiting crimes...

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Maybe because Arizona now has true Constitutional carry?   8)

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I've always thought this was the most retarded argument. It's like saying Greece is more dangerous than Somalia because there are so many Greek tax cheats. Being an illegal immigrant is not a violent crime. I know you like to compare homosexuals to murderers, so I guess now border crossing is like murder, too?   8)
LOL WHAT? are you butt hurt I made you look like a fool over your statistics prowess so youve resorted to making shit up?  ::)

A streetcam program in Arizona was up for renewal but the gov't declined- not because it didn't work, but because it was too effective. The authorities realized there were certain instances when speeding was permissible, so they let the contract lapse. I'm not saying we should open our borders, but being an illegal immigrant isn't really indicative of a criminal mindset in other areas.
I never it was simply pointing out the fact that they are criminals already, AM I WRONG?

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Yes, violent crime in general may be down. That really means nothing when certain types of crime that are affecting more and more LEGAL American citizens are way up.  

The term "violent crime" encompasses five types of crime. Kidnapping and other crimes that have shown increases like grand theft auto aren't considered violent by the DoJ.

Yes, all those crimes have declined in Arizona too.  Just read the stats.

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Regardless of crime, etc.. ANYONE who defends the illegal immigrants like it's their "right" to be here are complete idiots.  Why have any laws if you douches get to pick and choose which ones you think are "fair?" 


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Yes, all those crimes have declined in Arizona too.  Just read the stats.

Really? Is that why Phoenix was the kidnapping capital of the USA in 2007/2008/2009 and had the 2nd highest kidnapping rate of any city in the world? Stop lying.

What's to say that the percentage of Americans committing violent crimes hasn't gone down while the number of illegal aliens committing those crimes hasn't gone up? For example, if 40,000 violent crimes were committed in 2008 and 60% of those were carried out by Americans, then that would 24,000 crimes committed by American citizens and 16,000 committed by illegals. Now let's say that 30,000 violent crimes were committed in 2009, but only 20% of those were committed by American citizens. Well then, 6,000 violent crimes were committed by American citizens and 24,000 were committed by illegals. Violent crime may be down, but illegals would be committing more violent crimes than when it was up.

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Im not spinning shit loco tell me where i was wrong...

you on the other hand... ::)

that doesnt prove that illegals arent responsible for violent crimes...you need stats on the status of those who commit those crimes to do this...just saying that illegals have increased and crime decreased doesnt prove that point(sounds like youve been taking stats tips from AL)

legal citizens could be commiting less crime letting illegals commit more and still end up with a net loss...

get the stats for the status of those commiting crimes...

Did the Arizona government lie or not?  They said the reason for the law was the increase in crime and they blamed illegal immigrants for it.