Determining who's illegal by their attire

[Hugo Chavez]

Ive said it already that Id like to see the law tightend up but you see the problem is you have ppl like loco who believes that you cant have any law targeting immigrants...this will lead like you accurately predict to law enforcement asking for papers from everyone...

we need a law that allows us to find illegal aliens and deport them, plain and simple...whats your idea?

I think if they determine specific language for this law as to what constitutes probable cause then its about as good as its gonna get and still be effective.

yea, if we start enforcing the current laws, all this will be vastly diminished.  It worked pretty well in the past and then it seems like the government started hindering it's own agencies.  Like everyone else when this started happening, I wondered WTF?  Everything is already in place to be able to shut down most illegal activity, but we're not doing it.  Do we let the burden be placed on the states for what is clearly a federal matter or do we really say fuck holding the feds accountable?  One opinion would be that the states are holding the feds accountable by doing what AZ is doing now, but I doubt that's the end of the picture.  In the end the states will just become more aggressive and the feds will feed off of that in the long haul as reason to become even more intrusive and aggressive.  What I'm saying is that we had what worked before, why not pressure them on that.  Why open doors we can't close?

[The Showstoppa]

yea, if we start enforcing the current laws, all this will be vastly diminished.  It worked pretty well in the past and then it seems like the government started hindering it's own agencies.  Like everyone else when this started happening, I wondered WTF?  Everything is already in place to be able to shut down most illegal activity, but we're not doing it.  Do we let the burden be placed on the states for what is clearly a federal matter or do we really say fuck holding the feds accountable?  One opinion would be that the states are holding the feds accountable by doing what AZ is doing now, but I doubt that's the end of the picture.  In the end the states will just become more aggressive and the feds will feed off of that in the long haul as reason to become even more intrusive and aggressive.  What I'm saying is that we had what worked before, why not pressure them on that.  Why open doors we can't close?

Hugo, you are spot on with this.  I think the reason we don't see any REAL progress on the issue is that corporate America, and even everyday Americans, enjoy the cheap ass labor the immigrants provide.  Politicians pay lip service to it, they don't want to alienate voters or be villified in the media for being "racist."  Like you and I have said, you want to fix the problem fine the fuck out of the companies that have them working for them.  Same with individuals who hire them.  People and companies would be more likely to turn them away in favor of legal ones, even if they have to pay a bit more, instead of risking a massive fine.

[tonymctones]

yea, if we start enforcing the current laws, all this will be vastly diminished.  It worked pretty well in the past and then it seems like the government started hindering it's own agencies.  Like everyone else when this started happening, I wondered WTF?  Everything is already in place to be able to shut down most illegal activity, but we're not doing it.  Do we let the burden be placed on the states for what is clearly a federal matter or do we really say fuck holding the feds accountable?  One opinion would be that the states are holding the feds accountable by doing what AZ is doing now, but I doubt that's the end of the picture.  In the end the states will just become more aggressive and the feds will feed off of that in the long haul as reason to become even more intrusive and aggressive.  What I'm saying is that we had what worked before, why not pressure them on that.  Why open doors we can't close?

I totally agree hugo and Ive said so but there also as Ive said needs to be a law that allows us to identify illegals, simply going after employers or shutting down the border or targeting illegals will not fix this problem. It needs to be all 3 to actually have an impact doing one without the others is myopic and ignorant...ppl that think that going after employers will send all illegals packing isnt informed on the ins and outs of this problem...

[Eyeball Chambers]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not stereotyping hispanics or anything.  Far from it.  These guys for the most part stand out from other hispanics.  I'd be willing to bet that I could easily go out and pick out 10 Mexicans and get their legal status 9 times out of 10, hell I might even get 10 for 10.  These guys don't exactly do the best job of blending in.  They're all wearing the same style cloths, are often seen traveling together 10+ people to a vehicle.  Living in the same home also in great number of mostly males.  They don't usually have bank accounts so on payday they're lined up at the grocery store to cash their checks.  They group together where people can go hire them on the cheap.  There's all sorts of stuff like that where they are a dead giveaway.  They might as well at times be holding up a sign that says "Illegal"

Yep,  I don't know about the west coast but you can pick them out here easily. 

[Option D]

Hugo why are you explaning yourself?

We all know your just a nativist immigrint hater ala Daniel Day Lewis in "Gangs of New York".

Littlt irish guy:"they tryna say were no better than some stinkin ni66er"

"well you aint". Bill the Butcher...

That part was hilarious... equal opportunity hater

[Hugo Chavez]

I totally agree hugo and Ive said so but there also as Ive said needs to be a law that allows us to identify illegals, simply going after employers or shutting down the border or targeting illegals will not fix this problem. It needs to be all 3 to actually have an impact doing one without the others is myopic and ignorant...ppl that think that going after employers will send all illegals packing isnt informed on the ins and outs of this problem...

actually guarding our borders and holding employers accountable will go a long way.  Politicians make it sound like shutting down the border is impossible, trust me, it is NOT.  They're full of shit.

A few years back there were only a handfull of "santurary cities."  Those were labled and reported on in the media by Lou Dobbs.  These were a small handfull of cities that the police were strictly prohibited from questioning legal citizenship.  Lou did countless reports on this and according to everything reported, the rest were not prohibited from addressing legalization with those detained or questioned.  Why are we then seeing this as an issue?  The need to be able to pull over or stop anyone at will on their status?  Yikes............

[tonymctones]

actually guarding our borders and holding employers accountable will go a long way.  Politicians make it sound like shutting down the border is impossible, trust me, it is NOT.  They're full of shit.

A few years back there were only a handfull of "santurary cities."  Those were labled and reported on in the media by Lou Dobbs.  These were a small handfull of cities that the police were strictly prohibited from questioning legal citizenship.  Lou did countless reports on this and according to everything reported, the rest were not prohibited from addressing legalization with those detained or questioned.  Why are we then seeing this as an issue?  The need to be able to pull over or stop anyone at will on their status?  Yikes............

you cannot shut down the border completely ppl will always find away to get through, just like you cannot completely eliminate companies that hire illegals...this is why a law targeting illegals needs to be in place.

[Hugo Chavez]

you cannot shut down the border completely ppl will always find away to get through, just like you cannot completely eliminate companies that hire illegals...this is why a law targeting illegals needs to be in place.

well first of all, HOLY FUCKING GLORY TO SHITHEAD RON'S SACK OF SHIT BULLSHIT SACK OF CRAP SERVER.  IT ONLY TOOK ME FUCKING FOREVER TO REPLY TO THIS FUCKING POST Fuck I'm so sick of this I'm so ready to walk for good.  This shit keeps happening over and over an over.


I don't expect anything ever to completely shut down the border.  That's never the goal without a fucking military force lining the border.  Cutting it way down if fucking goddamned fine with most of us Tony.

[tonymctones]

well first of all, HOLY FUCKING GLORY TO SHITHEAD RON'S SACK OF SHIT BULLSHIT SACK OF CRAP SERVER.  IT ONLY TOOK ME FUCKING FOREVER TO REPLY TO THIS FUCKING POST Fuck I'm so sick of this I'm so ready to walk for good.  This shit keeps happening over and over an over.


I don't expect anything ever to completely shut down the border.  That's never the goal without a fucking military force lining the border.  Cutting it way down if fucking goddamned fine with most of us Tony.

hahhahhahah

ok now like I said only concentrating on one or the other wont be enough to eliminate this problem...you need all 3 but like I said Im for securing our border just not for that being the only move...

if you cant police a law then whats the point in having it? making it illegal to come into this country by circumventing legal means doesnt mean shit if you cant find out who is illegal or legal unless they commit another crime...

[loco]

Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his entire department are already under federal criminal investigation for civil rights violations, in unfairly targeting Hispanics and Spanish-speaking people.

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2009/03/09/daily40.html

[Soul Crusher]

Maybe is we were not flooded with 25 Million of these people wrecking our cities and communities this would not be such a topic. 

[saopl]

 

if you can't tell what a illegal mexican looks like go to any salvation army on a wednesday, half off all clothes! they are usually packed in there like sardines.

[Soul Crusher]

Where is ICE when you need it?

[loco]

I see now that saopl and 333386 have no problem with racial profiling and the detention of innocent American citizens, like the American truck driver above.

[Soul Crusher]

I don't have a problem with profiling with race being one of the factors, but not the sole factor. 

We do it every day of our lives for a reason.  Sad but true.   

[loco]

Maybe is we were not flooded with 25 Million of these people wrecking our cities and communities this would not be such a topic.  

Maybe if American subsidized corn hadn't driven Mexican farmers out of business, you wouldn't have an illegal immigration problem.  

Maybe if American corporations such as Smithfield Foods and Tyson Foods didn't take illegals across the border to the US by the bus loads to work at their meat packing plants, you wouldn't have an illegal immigration problem.

Maybe if the US government didn't turn a blind eye at the above, you wouldn't have an illegal immigration problem.

Maybe if the US government didn't give illegals so many benefits, you wouldn't have an illegal immigration problem.

Maybe if American companies and the US government didn't cater to the Spanish speaking community, you wouldn't have an illegal immigration problem, at least not from Spanish speaking countries.

[Soul Crusher]

I agree with that and think we need to jail these employers.   

[240 is Back]

"I agree with that and think we need to jail these employers.   "

X 2

Give them a 1-800 number where they can call in and triple-check any employee with the govt.  let them cover their ass legally.  Give them a 3 month window to quietly fire/replace the illegals they currently have, with legal americans.  The illegals will realize they have 12 weeks to find a way back to Mexico.

I guarantee, you let CNN run a piece every evening on another small business owner who got fined $50k and was given 6 months in prison for hiring illegals - and you'll have a lot of MRS. Small business owners saying "Harry, you fire those illegals NOW!"

Greed won't matter once the missus fears the company will be history.  Hell, I wouldn't begrudge any nation who heavily fined companies that employed illegals.

[tonymctones]

^agree^ but that isnt the only step

how well does punishment stop others from trying to make a profit? worked real well with all the big companies didnt it?, works real well for drug dealers etc. doesnt it?

fact of the matter is there will always be ppl who are willing to skirt the law to try and turn a profit

Also like I said alot of these ppl dont employee these ppl they contract them so they wouldnt apply...so basically the illegals own there own businesses, are you going to punish companies that do business with companies that have illegals?

someone please address that point...

we have to have a way of finding the illegals independently of work, we need a way for citizenship to be verified...I would be fine with licenses but not all states check citizenship for a license so how would you go about this?

[saopl]

I see now that saopl and 333386 have no problem with racial profiling and the detention of innocent American citizens, like the American truck driver above.

if it walks like a duck..

[loco]

if it walks like a duck..

This truck driver is a native born, lawful American citizen.  Apparently he "walks like a duck", but he certainly is no duck.

American Truck Driver Jailed For Not Having Birth Certificate

[saopl]

This truck driver is a native born, lawful American citizen.  Apparently he "walks like a duck", but he certainly is no duck.

American Truck Driver Jailed For Not Having Birth Certificate

no one's fault but his, if he had his paper work together none of this would have happened in the first place. If  he wants to live here instead of his ''mother land'' that is the price he has to pay.

[loco]

no one's fault but his, if he had his paper work together none of this would have happened in the first place. If  he wants to live here instead of his ''mother land'' that is the price he has to pay.

What are you talking about?  His mother land?  Ha ha ha.  He was born and raised in the US and had his commercial drivers license with him, which he showed to authorities.   He was arrested for not having his birth certificate on him.  Do you carry your birth certificate with you at all times?

[powerpack]

What are you talking about?  His mother land?  Ha ha ha.  He was born and raised in the US and had his commercial drivers license with him, which he showed to authorities.   He was arrested for not having his birth certificate on him.  Do you carry your birth certificate with you at all times?

That is bad

[Soul Crusher]

What are you talking about?  His mother land?  Ha ha ha.  He was born and raised in the US and had his commercial drivers license with him, which he showed to authorities.   He was arrested for not having his birth certificate on him.  Do you carry your birth certificate with you at all times?

Of course I do!   Along with my passport, con ed bill, credit card statements, gun license, attorney id, park pass, social security card, last 3 years tax returns, copy of my deed, copy of last will and testament, health care proxy, living will, power of attorney, boating license, fishing license, pilot license, DNR, and mortgage statement.

Doesnt everyone carry these on their person at all times?