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Half of young people do not recognise Winston Churchill... and he will be 'forgotten' in 80 years

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 2:10 AM on 14th May 2010

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By 2090 future generations will no longer recognise Winston Churchill, research revealed today.

It seems hard to believe amid the current political storm, but research commissioned by the Royal Mint found that, in 80 years' time, people will not recognise the former Prime Minister.

As part of the survey, carried out to mark this week's 70th anniversary of Churchill taking over as prime minister, more than 1,136 people were asked to identify three prominent 20th century PMs including Churchill, Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair.

The Royal Mint survey asked more than 1,136 people to identify prominent 20th century Prime Ministers, including Winston Churchill, Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair

One in five (19 per cent) adults failed to name Churchill, with the figure rising to 32 per cent of 25 to 34-year-olds and 44 per cent of those aged 16 to 24.

Following the pattern, researchers projected the rough date when the leaders would no longer be recognised, with Churchill's demise predicted in 80 years' time.

They said the vast majority of those questioned could identify both Mr Blair (97 per cent) and Baroness Thatcher (98 per cent).

But recognition dropped significantly in the 16 to 24-year-old range - 16 per cent failed to identify Baroness Thatcher and more than a quarter (27 per cent) were unable to recognise Mr Blair.

If this downward trend were to continue, Gordon Brown's predecessor would be 'extinct' in the public consciousness by 2075, followed by the Iron Lady in 2115, they said.

The survey, which involved people naming black and white headshot photos of the prime ministers, saw Churchill mistaken for Stephen Fry, Robert Hardy, Michael Gambon, Charlie Chaplin, Oliver Hardy, John Betjeman and Roy Hattersley, the Royal Mint said.

And one person even incorrectly identified Tony Blair as David Cameron.

The research could help the country's new leader make sure he cements his place in the history books rather than being forgotten.

Professor George Jones, Emeritus Professor of British Government at the London School of Economics, said: 'There's a complex combination of factors at play when it comes to maintaining prime ministerial longevity and being remembered as a great British leader.

'For long-lasting impact and to cement your position in the public consciousness, certain character and personality traits such as potency and decisiveness must be apparent and proven crisis-handling demonstrated.

'If the new Prime Minister wants to secure his place in history, he must bear these things in mind.'

Data was collected according to five age groups - 16 to 24, 25 to 34, 35 to 44, 45 to 54, and 55+ - then researchers worked out what the percentage recognition was of each age group when they were 16-24.

The results were plotted on a graph going back to 1970, when the oldest age group was 16-24, and a 'line of best fit' was calculated to the point where recognition was at 0 per cent - the year of 'extinction'.

Kevin Clancy, head of Historical Services at the Royal Mint, added: 'It's shocking that one of our greatest statesmen runs the risk of potentially being forgotten.

'Churchill remains an historical colossus and is arguably one of the nation's greatest Britons.

'It's fundamentally important that we commemorate our heritage for future generations to celebrate, and to mark the 70 years that have passed since he was Prime Minister we're immensely proud to have designed a new £5 coin featuring an iconic Churchillian image, to help his memory live on.'


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Here I thought it was only our youth who were so ignorant as to history. 

This is really unbelievable.  Churchill is responaible for saving UK in its darkest hour. 
WTF! 




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We went from men like Churchill, Patton, Pershing, FDR, McArthur, Ike,  to clowns like Bush, Obama, Brown,   - Dear God help us we are so screwed. 


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This man was truly brilliant.


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Churchill opposed Mohandas Gandhi's peaceful disobedience revolt and the Indian Independence movement in the 1930s, arguing that the Round Table Conference "was a frightful prospect".[1] Later reports indicate that Churchill favored letting Gandhi die if he went on hunger strike [2] During the first half of the 1930s, Churchill was outspoken in his opposition to granting Dominion status to India. He was a founder of the India Defense League, a group dedicated to the preservation of British power in India.

1. 247 House of Commons Debates 5s col 755

2. "Churchill took hardline on Gandhi". BBC News. 1 January 2006. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4573152.stm. Retrieved 12 April 2010.

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And your point is? 

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Churchill opposed Mohandas Gandhi's peaceful disobedience revolt and the Indian Independence movement in the 1930s, arguing that the Round Table Conference "was a frightful prospect".[1] Later reports indicate that Churchill favored letting Gandhi die if he went on hunger strike [2] During the first half of the 1930s, Churchill was outspoken in his opposition to granting Dominion status to India. He was a founder of the India Defense League, a group dedicated to the preservation of British power in India.

1. 247 House of Commons Debates 5s col 755

2. "Churchill took hardline on Gandhi". BBC News. 1 January 2006. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4573152.stm. Retrieved 12 April 2010.
So he did precisely what he should have been doing: trying to maintain British influence in India. Can't fault him for that.

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So he did precisely what he should have been doing: trying to maintain British influence in India. Can't fault him for that.

So it's okay for the US to gain independence from Britain, but it's not okay for India to gain independence from Britain?     ::)

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What do the two have to do with one another? 


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Because the UK is flooded by immigrant scum...
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What do the two have to do with one another? 

I used to be a fan of Churchill, until I learned that he opposed India's independence from Britain's rule, tyranny and oppression, and when I learned that Churchill hated Gandhi and wanted him dead.

I'm still a fan of Gandhi.

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You have to look at things through the lens of the time, not how we view things today. 

Also, if someone wants to go on a hunger strike, for whatever reason, screw em and let em die.  I dont care who it is. 

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You have to look at things through the lens of the time, not how we view things today.  

Also, if someone wants to go on a hunger strike, for whatever reason, screw em and let em die.  I dont care who it is.  

What does that mean?  The US fought for independence from Britain's rule, tyranny and oppression too, much like India did, except India did it through Gandhi's peaceful disobedience revolt.  Do you say to George Washington and his soldiers:  If somebody wants to go up against Britain "screw em and let em die"?

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The guy did his job for England, especially in the face of Nazi agression, who gives a flying fuck about India. First off thats not 3's point at all. This guy is one of THE major figures in 20th century history and a huge figure in all of English history and Brits don't know who he is? Our kids are no better. How many kids know who Patton is, or Macarthur or where we fought in the Pacific...can name all the beaches on D Day..or even know what the hell D day was. This shit matters...it all matters. Kids have to have pride in this country. They have to know that there is American exceptionalism..because the Chinese, they sure as fuck think they're better..and the Indians, they're not teaching their kids home economics.....no more trophies for everybody...not everybody is a winner..be the fucking winner.
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A hunger strike is stupid and I dont agree with Ghandi's approach. 



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The guy did his job for England, especially in the face of Nazi agression, who gives a flying fuck about India. First off thats not 3's point at all. This guy is one of THE major figures in 20th century history and a huge figure in all of English history and Brits don't know who he is? Our kids are no better. How many kids know who Patton is, or Macarthur or where we fought in the Pacific...can name all the beaches on D Day..or even know what the hell D day was. This shit matters...it all matters. Kids have to have pride in this country. They have to know that there is American exceptionalism..because the Chinese, they sure as fuck think they're better..and the Indians, they're not teaching their kids home economics.....no more trophies for everybody...not everybody is a winner..be the fucking winner.

Juno, Gold, Omaha! 


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A hunger strike is stupid and I dont agree with Ghandi's approach. 

I do, it worked, and it inspired MLK's peaceful protests, Chile's peaceful overthrow of a dictatorship, and has inspired many others.

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Sometimes, sometimes not.   

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The guy did his job for England, especially in the face of Nazi agression, who gives a flying fuck about India. First off thats not 3's point at all. This guy is one of THE major figures in 20th century history and a huge figure in all of English history and Brits don't know who he is? Our kids are no better. How many kids know who Patton is, or Macarthur or where we fought in the Pacific...can name all the beaches on D Day..or even know what the hell D day was. This shit matters...it all matters. Kids have to have pride in this country. They have to know that there is American exceptionalism..because the Chinese, they sure as fuck think they're better..and the Indians, they're not teaching their kids home economics.....no more trophies for everybody...not everybody is a winner..be the fucking winner.

I give a flying fuck about India.  But I agree that everybody should be educated on all of world history.

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hunger strikes are catabolic

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Sword, Gold, Juno, Omaha, Utah....thats off the top of my head.  The point is this shit matters...
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Sword, Gold, Juno, Omaha, Utah....thats off the top of my head.  The point is this shit matters...

Bro - I have read so many WW2 books its not funny. 

You should read a book called "The Fighting Pattons" - its amazing the lineage Patton came from.  Pattons' early life was even more interesting to me than his exploits in WW2. 

He handled Pancho Villas' men old school style and tied two of them to his car and delivered them to Pershing in person. 

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Churchill opposed Mohandas Gandhi's peaceful disobedience revolt and the Indian Independence movement in the 1930s, arguing that the Round Table Conference "was a frightful prospect".[1] Later reports indicate that Churchill favored letting Gandhi die if he went on hunger strike [2] During the first half of the 1930s, Churchill was outspoken in his opposition to granting Dominion status to India. He was a founder of the India Defense League, a group dedicated to the preservation of British power in India.

1. 247 House of Commons Debates 5s col 755

2. "Churchill took hardline on Gandhi". BBC News. 1 January 2006. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4573152.stm. Retrieved 12 April 2010.

GREAT information Loco... People I would bet also do not know that Winston Churchill is the son of Lord Randolf Spencer Churchill better known as JACK THE RIPPER.... YES...JACK THE FUCKING RIPPER. Winston Churchill was also heavy into the occult just like his father and was a freemason. Also in the Spencer-Churchill line is another very famous person named Diana Spencer who we all know as Princess Diana
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My favortie historical figure of all time.  The original GSP. 


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Hey SAMSON go die in a fire..u derail every fucking thread with ur bulllshit. Loco has a valid point, I don't agree but he has his point and opinion, none of it based in CT fantasy land...where u dwell in stupidity.
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Hey SAMSON go die in a fire..u derail every fucking thread with ur bulllshit. Loco has a valid point, I don't agree but he has his point and opinion, none of it based in CT fantasy land...where u dwell in stupidity.

How am I derailing the thread asshole? The topic is people not knowing or recognizing Winston Churchill. I added to this fact that people don't know the lineage of Churchiill as well with some rather shocking information on Churchill's background. I said to Loco that this was good information he posted, so why the response from you in that ignorant regard. Oh I forgot YOU'RE JUST A DUMB PIECE OF MEAT.
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