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Seneca to Obama: ‘You betrayed our trust’
Indian Country Today ^ | Gale Courey Toensing


Posted on Friday, May 14, 2010
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BUFFALO, N.Y. – The Seneca Nation of Indians welcomed President Barack Obama to Buffalo with protesters in the street and a full page ad in the local newspaper saying he broke his promise to honor treaties when he signed a law that will devastate the Indian tobacco trade and put thousands of people out of work in Western New York.

The ad was in the form of an open letter.

“Dear Mr. President, Last fall you invited Native American leaders to Washington, D.C. and promised to listen to our concerns and respect our treaty rights. You pledged meaningful consultation and dialogue before any changes in federal policies impacting Indian Country.

“Your words instilled confidence and hope in the hearts of the Seneca people. We believed your pledge to make tribes full partners in the economy and give Indian children a shot at the American Dream. But, Mr. President, you failed to keep your word,” the ad said.

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Did the Native American Indians think Obama would treat them any differently than the rest of us?   

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if he had donated $500 million in contracts to 'make things right' for these indians, he'd be getting criticized for that.

you were going to shit on him for either move.  He decided to limit their profits from TOBACCO SALES and we're crying them a river?

What gives?  Had Obama given a shitload of $ and contracts to the Indians to give them an unfair competitive advantage over other american firms, you'd be crying socialism and wasting of tax dollars.

Shit on him for legit reasons, but for this?

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if he had donated $500 million in contracts to 'make things right' for these indians, he'd be getting criticized for that.

you were going to shit on him for either move.  He decided to limit their profits from TOBACCO SALES and we're crying them a river?

What gives?  Had Obama given a shitload of $ and contracts to the Indians to give them an unfair competitive advantage over other american firms, you'd be crying socialism and wasting of tax dollars.

Shit on him for legit reasons, but for this?

aaawwwwhhhh . . . . . are your knees getting tired 240? 

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Rest of the story.  BTW - the comments are funy att he site.
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At issue is the Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking Act, which Obama signed into law in March. The new law bans the U.S. Postal Service from delivering cigarettes, effectively extinguishing the mail order tobacco trade that was largely developed and nurtured by Seneca Nation-licensed business owners over the past two decades.

The post office was the only remaining delivery system since former New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer pressured private carriers like FedEx and UPS to stop transporting from Indian lands a few years ago. The PACT Act is due to come into effect in late June.

Obama made a tightly scripted short stop in Buffalo May 13 to visit Industrial Support, Inc., a metal fabrication business that has grown successfully from a handful of employees to around 60 employees in 14 years.

The company was chosen to highlight Obama’s theme that small businesses are the engine for job growth and the focus of his efforts revitalize the economy.

The contradiction was not lost on Seneca Nation President Barry E. Snyder Sr.

“We find it sadly ironic that the president of the United States is coming to Buffalo to boast about his efforts to improve the economy when he signed a bill last month that will wipe out as many as 3,000 local jobs,” Snyder said.

“We want the people of Western New York to know their president is saying one thing and doing another. The Seneca Nation is extremely disappointed and disheartened that President Obama has failed to keep his promises to the Seneca people, and all Native Americans, that he would help us grow our economies and treat us with respect.”

Hundreds of people waited for hours in a downpour for the president to arrive. After a tour of the facility, Obama stood next to a large industrial machine and addressed an audience of around 250 people.

“Buffalo, I didn’t run for president to watch America decline,” Obama said. “I ran for president to keep the American Dream alive in our time, for our kids and our grandkids and the next generations. … It’s not a recovery until people feel it in their own lives, until Americans who want to find work can find it. That’s our goal and we can say beyond a shadow of a doubt today that we’re headed in the right direction.”

The Seneca Nation’s ad in the morning paper foreshadowed the president’s words.

“You tell Americans things are getting better, yet you struck a severe and deliberate blow to our economy by barring us from shipping our legal products via the U.S. Postal Service. Shame on you, Mr. President. You betrayed our trust and dishonored our sovereign rights. We believed you would be different, but you are continuing a shameful legacy of broken treaties and broken promises,” the ad said.

J.C. Seneca, a Seneca Nation tribal councilor and tobacco business entrepreneur who employees 120 people, most of them non-Indians, said the PACT Act will erode tribal sovereignty all over Indian country.

“Certainly, it affects us at Seneca in regard to our tobacco businesses, but it affects all Indian nations with the implications that this law grants the states unprecedented rights and jurisdiction to exercise authority on Indian reservations and territories.”

Seneca said the PACT Act was developed in “a conspiracy” by states, congressmen and tobacco company Philip Morris, which will gain market share from a devastated Indian tobacco trade, and pushed through the process without hearings or consultation with the Indian nations.

“It’s just a slap in the face of the Native people in this country,” Seneca said.

Richard Nephew, chair of Seneca Nation Council, said Indian nations historically have been on the receiving end of “bad deals, bad faith, broken promises and federal abrogation of our treaty rights.”

Just six months ago at the first White House Tribal Nations Conference, Obama promised to improve relations with the tribes, pledged to listen to tribal leaders and provide full consultation on issues affecting the nations, Nephew said.

“With respect to the Seneca Nation and his signing of the PACT Act, he effectively did none of that and let us down.”

Nephew noted Seneca’s significant contributions to the state’s economy over the past decade from its casino operations and private sector – more than $1.3 billion, according to a recent study by Harvard economist Jonathan Taylor.

“The president says he is about creating jobs in a sorely needed region and a badly hit state, but he killed thousands of jobs that the Seneca Nation had a hand in creating. President Obama promised change; nothing seems to be changing here except our unemployment rate.”

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3000 jobs were lost because the President decided the US postal service shouldn't be shipping cigarettes.

Yes, I think I'm okay with that.  Post Office is subsidized with my tax dollars, and I'm okay if my tax dollars aren't being used to fund an organization that lets people buy cigs in the mail.  Aside from the fact kids can get it, the fact the Post Office is operating at a financial loss...

It's not like he just said "Screw you 3000 folks, lose your jobs".
No, he said, "You're not going to use the post office to mail cancer sticks".  And if 3000 people chose to work for a company whose business model revolved around the mailing of cigarettes, I would tell them to next time consider a business that isn't in the business of killing people and sellinig poison using taxpayer subsidized delivery systems.

Now, please address the arguement, and dont just call me names.

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Its fun calling you names. 

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3000 jobs were lost because the President decided the US postal service shouldn't be shipping cigarettes.

Yes, I think I'm okay with that.  Post Office is subsidized with my tax dollars, and I'm okay if my tax dollars aren't being used to fund an organization that lets people buy cigs in the mail.  Aside from the fact kids can get it, the fact the Post Office is operating at a financial loss...

It's not like he just said "Screw you 3000 folks, lose your jobs".
No, he said, "You're not going to use the post office to mail cancer sticks".  And if 3000 people chose to work for a company whose business model revolved around the mailing of cigarettes, I would tell them to next time consider a business that isn't in the business of killing people and sellinig poison using taxpayer subsidized delivery systems.

Now, please address the arguement, and dont just call me names.

If ZERO promised them he would not do this or at least seek their imput before doing it, than yes he deserves my taking a huge massive shit on his head. 

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So they're mad that he promised to listen to them - then passed this law anyway?

Is there evidence that none of his team looked at their information or viewpoint?

And if he had traveled to talk to them, woudln't that have been a huge waste of time in the face of oil spills, dollar falling, iran nukes, and other crisises.

Look, I'm all for roasting the guy when he deserves it... but not giving them facetime before ending the post office carrying ciggies?  Nah, I can't see that being a big bad obama move.  Plenty of others to choose from :)

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So you are in favor of the post office losing money and 3000 people losing their jobs for selling and transporting a legal product?

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New York state is dying but instead of finding ways to cut spending or create jobs our politicians are pretending reclaiming cigarette taxes will make everything better.

If they hadn't made taxes so high, Indian sales would have never grown this extent.

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Exactly.  Cigarettes are like 10 a pack in nyc.  I don't smoke and never had but this charade is ridiculous. 


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Exactly.  Cigarettes are like 10 a pack in nyc.  I don't smoke and never had but this charade is ridiculous. 



They created the monster by raising taxes so freaking high. Indians have been selling tax free gas, cigarettes, etc.. for years. Suddenly the entire state is going to die without revenue from sales of a deadly product and no one is calling bullshit. This is a direct result of too much taxation and chronic fiscal mismanagement of the state.

New York politicians have never met a tax they didn't like. They probably raised gas taxes again after people started carpooling to make up for lost revenue.

None of them have the capacity, or even potential, for honesty. All politicians are whores.

What we need in New York is a one day/week protest where people refuse to buy cigarettes, cigars, gas and other heavily taxed items. Knowing where and why they're losing money may force the legislature to back the heck off a bit from their policy of using the taxpayers as ATMs and concentrate on creating jobs.

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Kaje, I live in the devils den of left wing insanity and I know it all too well.  When people on this board get on me for my views and passionate hatred for these criminals and traitors, I only laugh knowing that most of them would probably be worse than me if they lived here. 

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Kaje, I live in the devils den of left wing insanity and I know it all too well.  When people on this board get on me for my views and passionate hatred for these criminals and traitors, I only laugh knowing that most of them would probably be worse than me if they lived here. 

We simply need one day/week where people refuse or severely limit paying taxes.... even if it literally means not driving, drinking or smoking. We'll all suffer for a while but those whores only understand money.

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"Indians have been selling tax free gas, cigarettes, etc.. for years"

Wow... so the govt has been giving them an unbeatable unfair business advantage for years... and they're pissed because they can no longer ship these tax-free ciggies using US Mail? 


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"Indians have been selling tax free gas, cigarettes, etc.. for years"

Wow... so the govt has been giving them an unbeatable unfair business advantage for years... and they're pissed because they can no longer ship these tax-free ciggies using US Mail? 



The "unfair business advantage" you write of wouldn't affect New Yorkers if taxes weren't so high. Scapegoating the Indians doesn't change the facts, taxes are too high. We need to support the state's needs through increasing jobs, not taxes.

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3000 jobs were lost because the President decided the US postal service shouldn't be shipping cigarettes.

Yes, I think I'm okay with that.  Post Office is subsidized with my tax dollars, and I'm okay if my tax dollars aren't being used to fund an organization that lets people buy cigs in the mail.  Aside from the fact kids can get it, the fact the Post Office is operating at a financial loss...

It's not like he just said "Screw you 3000 folks, lose your jobs".
No, he said, "You're not going to use the post office to mail cancer sticks".  And if 3000 people chose to work for a company whose business model revolved around the mailing of cigarettes, I would tell them to next time consider a business that isn't in the business of killing people and sellinig poison using taxpayer subsidized delivery systems.

Now, please address the arguement, and dont just call me names.

The U.S. postal service receives 99% of it's operational budget from the sale of postal products and services.  1% comes from taxpayers. 

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i agree, dont raise taxes.

but what other groups are afforded this tax free status?  Is this something obama started?  Sounds terribly unfair to fair competition.

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The massive tax rate in new york state makes their deal lucrative. I blame the government not the indians.  Screw the govt. 

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i agree, dont raise taxes.

but what other groups are afforded this tax free status?  Is this something obama started?  Sounds terribly unfair to fair competition.

Then why not make hospitals and churches pay property taxes?