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Re: training split and "interfering" with the recovery cycle
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2010, 12:15:06 AM »
Allright, but it ain't such a practical way to train since you need someone to basically drive you through this kind of training. So I can give you a chest cycle that he put me through: After a proper warm-up, I started with DB incline presses til failure which occured after 4 to 6 reps, plus 2 to 4 forced reps and then 2 to 4 negative reps. And then with absolutely no rest start performing cable crossovers with 3 drop sets, and once again all take to the point of failure. And, finally, again with no rest, dips to failure plus 4 to 6 negatives. I remember the 2nd or 3rd time that I went through this insane training cycle some high school kid came over as I was finishing on the dips and said to my trainer, "Take it easy on him man." To which my trainer replied, "This doesn't concern you!" A true ALPHA MALE LOFL

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Re: training split and "interfering" with the recovery cycle
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2010, 12:43:14 AM »
That's why ive always like the 3 day split of push/pull/legs it minimizes overtraining on the certain muscles.

As a hobbyist bodybuilder I have two goals:

1. get as big as I can get with minimium effort
2. not get hurt while doing it

That's why I don't use gear, I keep up my middle body strength and I have learn right range of movement and posture for every lift I use in my workouts. I don't use belts and knee warps, only wrist warps and straps in some workouts, because most of all, it will prevent me to overdo it. Instead of idiotic amount of weight and ridiculously short range of movement, I use pre-exhaust and super sets, drop sets, etc. If we use chest workout for example, it would typically go like this: Warm up = 30 reps with 80lb, then 5 set with + 40lb for every set. Last set is the drop set, and you concentrate lower the barbell as slow as possible, while your spotter helps it up if necessary. Then -40lb and more reps and you repeat this down to empty barbell. I can guarantee that you have a good pump in your pecs after this. Then some cable flyes and you are ready. 10 min and you are ready for next muscle group, triceps, which you have pre-exhausted while doing bench press, and then biceps, which allows you rest your chest and triceps. I could do biceps with back workout, but combined with that my hands are too exhausted to maintain the grip through the bicep workout, all those heavy pull downs and dead lifts are too much for one day. With shoulder presses I don't need a grip at all, I use the monkey grip for all movements where it is possible, so I can do it quite efficiently after my dead lifts. I use drop sets with military press also, 4 sets upwards and one down with slow motion.

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Re: training split and "interfering" with the recovery cycle
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2010, 08:34:23 AM »
if you train hard, you cant train delts, tri's and bi's in the same workout, one of those 3 is gonna suffer. if you do heavy ass presses for delts, you wont be able to do heavy ass curls for bi's and surpass your current weight, i would train tri's with chest or delts, or make a arm day, tri's bi''s and forearms.

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Re: training split and "interfering" with the recovery cycle
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2010, 08:37:45 AM »
in the most strict form bicep-curls, it will use some of your delts

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Re: training split and "interfering" with the recovery cycle
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2010, 10:19:42 AM »
bringing up a lagging body part? depends..   are you willing to decrease the volume and frequency that you hit all the other muscles, in order to bring up a certain lagging one?? and even if you are... m aybe its not that its lagging because of training, but just because naturally it doesnt grow as fast for some reaosn..

Good point; my theory is "overshadow"... my delt are so strong, overshadowing pretty much every biceps movements; similar for triceps; seems like shoulder kick in so much, tri's and bi's just slack off....

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Re: training split and "interfering" with the recovery cycle
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2010, 10:37:17 AM »
Good point; my theory is "overshadow"... my delt are so strong, overshadowing pretty much every biceps movements; similar for triceps; seems like shoulder kick in so much, tri's and bi's just slack off....
i had that problem......so when i did bi's i used a lot less weight, and only did incline DB curls for awhile........in a few weeks i had a better mind, bicep connection going, and found out how to use my delts less...

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Re: training split and "interfering" with the recovery cycle
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2010, 10:53:12 AM »
best way to take delts out of biceps is with the preacher bench.

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Re: training split and "interfering" with the recovery cycle
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2010, 10:55:30 AM »
best way to take delts out of biceps is with the preacher bench.
preacher curls don't do shit for me.........i have never grew anything except anger from doing preacher curls......they are as useless as kettlebells to me...

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Re: training split and "interfering" with the recovery cycle
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2010, 10:56:19 AM »
preacher curls don't do shit for me.........i have never grew anything except anger from doing preacher curls......they are as useless as kettlebells to me...

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what way do you do them? you can do one arm at a time with a dumbell, and sit sideways on the bench if form is ur problem..

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Re: training split and "interfering" with the recovery cycle
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2010, 10:58:08 AM »
what way do you do them? you can do one arm at a time with a dumbell, and sit sideways on the bench if form is ur problem..
i have tried them every possible way you can do them......the only way i would ever do them again is if i wanted to lose muscle...

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Re: training split and "interfering" with the recovery cycle
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2010, 10:59:04 AM »
anything wrong with my split?

day1 : chest/biceps
day2 : legs/calves
day3 : triceps/abs (i could keep day3 a rest day and do them in back day but...)
day4 : shoulders/traps
day5 : back/rear delts/calves

day6 : abs/rest
day7 : rest

so? any pointers...

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Re: training split and "interfering" with the recovery cycle
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2010, 11:06:21 AM »
anything wrong with my split?

day1 : chest/biceps
day2 : legs/calves
day3 : triceps/abs (i could keep day3 a rest day and do them in back day but...)
day4 : shoulders/traps
day5 : back/rear delts/calves

day6 : abs/rest
day7 : rest

so? any pointers...

The training is fine.

The body executing it might be the problem.









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Re: training split and "interfering" with the recovery cycle
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2010, 11:08:24 AM »
The training is fine.

The body executing it might be the problem.


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HAHA  :D, yeah, been waisting most of my time in my 5 year training period, this is how I prety much train now... trying to get on track

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Re: training split and "interfering" with the recovery cycle
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2010, 11:39:58 AM »
HAHA  :D, yeah, been waisting most of my time in my 5 year training period, this is how I prety much train now... trying to get on track

You've also been wasting your time in elementary too...

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Re: training split and "interfering" with the recovery cycle
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2010, 06:52:18 PM »
nothing wrong with it.....

i did that for awhile actually...currently i do this though

this workout was actually created by me after a training board conversation between me and Alex23 a long ass time ago about the benefits of pumping sets...

Monday= chest, shoulders, and tri's very heavy, and mostly compound movements..as many sets as it takes to get the perfect one...i have 8oz of orange juice, and gummy bears....and do back and bi's.....but only bodyweight stuff, 1 set per per movement, but to failure...

tues-run 3-5 miles

wed=legs

Thurs=run 3-5 miles

Friday=reverse of Monday....i go all out and very heavy on back and bi's....the do light weight to failure on chest shoulders and tri's...

sat=run 3-5 miles

i am the biggest, strongest, and leanest that i have been since i was a walking pharmacy....

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