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Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« on: May 16, 2010, 05:27:04 AM »
Howard Fineman
Can’t Touch Him
Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
Published May 7, 2010
From the magazine issue dated May 17, 2010

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 Let's try a political thought experiment. Imagine that a few months after a new president takes office, his administration approves an offshore oil well a mile beneath the Gulf of Mexico. It is to be run by BP, whose employees were very generous donors to the president's campaign. The oil company airily dismisses the possibility of a catastrophic leak that might destroy the coastline. Nearly a year later, the president—to the dismay of his environmentalist supporters—says he wants to greatly expand offshore drilling. Soon after that, the BP well explodes, and oil spews into the gulf. It's clear to everyone that the blowout is a major catastrophe, requiring a federal mobilization. But the president's initial response is to say, in effect: do not worry, BP will pay for the cleanup. Eleven days pass before he goes to survey the scene.

Of course, this is a sketch of the Deepwater Horizon disaster, and the president is Barack Obama. But here is the rest of the experiment. Imagine the reaction of Washington—the media, Congress, the "national conversation"—if the president wasn't Obama but George W. Bush. "We would be under siege," says Dan Bartlett, who was communications director in the Bush years. "There'd be calls for special prosecutors, investigations everywhere. The focus wouldn't be on what was happening out in the gulf—it would be on what happened in the West Wing."

Now, I hold no brief for George Bush, and I have no desire to launch a screed against the home-field advantage that Obama still gets in the non-Murdoch media. But I do marvel at how Obama has become the hallucinatory Escher drawing of our politics. It's hard to decide which way the stairs are built, whether they will lead to the roof or basement, and there is no flat middle floor to stand on. To those on the right, he's evil incarnate, but on the left, he still can do no wrong, or at least nothing so wrong that they are willing to take him on. That "blowout preventer" is still working.

The stark division in politics these days is mostly over how we see the president himself. At the recent Southern Republican Leadership Conference in New Orleans—a gathering of the conservative hard core—the ballroom was filled with a sense of apocalypse, fear, and even dread about Obama. It was emotion far beyond the mere derision that the same crowd used to heap on Bill Clinton. In that red-state world, Obama is an alien usurper, intent on imposing a socialist one-world regime. Beltway Republicans still don't grasp the intensity of this. Only 25 percent of Americans identify themselves as Republicans in the latest New York Times poll, but 38 percent describe themselves as conservatives—the largest ideological slice of the electorate by far, and the conservatives' largest share since the question was first asked in 1992.

Yet in many ways, and on many issues, Obama is pursuing, for want of a better term, Bushian policies, and in ways that would have brought the world down on W's head. Offshore drilling is a special example, given the Bush family's history in the business. But there are others. One is Guantánamo, which remains open; another is the Patriot Act, most of which the president supported when it was recently reauthorized. He has doubled down on Afghanistan, and there are still nearly 100,000 troops in Iraq. Despite the advent of Arizona's anti-immigration law, Obama says that this year he will not push Congress for federal reform (which Bush, to his credit, did). Fearful of the gun lobby, the White House is even shying away from a bill, proposed by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, to take guns away from persons on the terror watch list. Imagine if Bush had done that!

Then there is the Democrats' "financial reform" bill. Yes, the banks are squalling about all the new regulations it would impose, but the Obama administration is opposed to a whole series of amendments that would actually restructure the world of financial services. One proposal would have restored the old Glass-Steagall Act, which prohibited banks from being stockbrokers. Another, proposed by Sen. Ted Kaufman of Delaware, would have taken the simple approach of limiting the size of the big banks. But the Obama administration, full of Goldman Sachs alums, didn't support the Kaufman bill, which was defeated last week. "Put it this way," Kaufman told me before the vote. "I'm not calling the White House for help." Of course not. There's a Bushian socialist usurper there.

Howard Fineman is also the author of The Thirteen American Arguments: Enduring Debates That Define and Inspire Our Country.

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2010, 05:52:52 AM »
Fineman does not realize that he is the very cause of the thing he is complaining about. 

The media has kneepadded for obama from day one and still does. 

Its called liberal white guilt.

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2010, 06:19:31 AM »
He learned from the best in this matter...... republicans....

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2010, 07:00:17 AM »
And here we go. Can't make a thread about Obama without going right to the Republicans. This is exactly why he can shake off blame so easily. Obama has been the President for almost 1.5 years now. Time to move on and live in the present. It has been his show for a while now.

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2010, 07:06:25 AM »
What's interesting is that people like fineman are now saying this.

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2010, 08:52:25 AM »
so you trust lib pundit Fineman when he trashes Obama... but you say Repub Senators Bennet, Gregg and Alexander are full of shit when they admit the stim bill worked"?

i'm confused.

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2010, 08:56:19 AM »
If you are ignorant as to not see the difference I can't help you. 

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2010, 09:21:47 AM »
well, you called me a kneepadder on the other thread, but you ignored my point completely.

Gregg is one of the MOST anti-obama voices out there.  He is a threat for 2012.  After obama neutralized Huntsman as a 2012 threat by giving him a job, Obama offered Gregg a job.  Gregg accepted, then declined publicly to punk obama.  He's shrewd.

For him to candidly admit the stimulus was successful in rescuing the economy, that makes you scratch your head.   Other repubs will hate him for it.  He obviously hates Obama's ass.  Why would he say this, if he didn't believe it to be true?

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2010, 09:23:33 AM »
You put a lot of stock into it, when Obama guy howard Fineman writes an article bashing Obama.  Because it actually has some credibility - a guy going against his own party/peers to be HONEST about the president.

I am the same way about Gregg.  He's a HUGE anti-Obama guy, who says the stimulus was a success.  He's also going against his own party/peers, and his own past behavior, to say Obama's plan worked.  So it has some credibility, like Fineman.

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2010, 10:12:21 AM »
Fineman is giving an opinion piece whereas gregg and others are trying to state as fact that the bailouts worked. Big difference.

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2010, 10:14:16 AM »
"Fineman is giving an opinion piece whereas gregg and others are trying to state as fact that the bailouts worked. Big difference. "

???

Hmmm.  I don't see that difference, but I can respect your point of view.

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2010, 11:15:36 AM »
240 - what do you think these hack politicians are going to say? 

We are on the brink of complete collapse due to the bailouts and unsustainable debt obligations we have and you think any of these criminals are going to say anything that might spark bank runs or riots?

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2010, 12:19:18 PM »
"Fineman is giving an opinion piece whereas gregg and others are trying to state as fact that the bailouts worked. Big difference. "

???

Hmmm.  I don't see that difference, but I can respect your point of view.

the difference is that when the rhetoric matches 333's own personal paranoid delusions then it's a fact

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2010, 12:25:15 PM »
Like I said, coming from you its a compliment w your record.

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2010, 01:03:09 PM »
Like I said, coming from you its a compliment w your record.

you're welcome

keep up the dumb work

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2010, 01:47:08 PM »
"240 - what do you think these hack politicians are going to say?  "

I think repubs are going to shit on obama no matter what.

For 3 of the top far-right repub voices to say the stim is working... well, if 3 of the top DEMS said it was a failure, you'ld be starting a thread about it.

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2010, 06:49:46 AM »
"240 - what do you think these hack politicians are going to say?  "

I think repubs are going to shit on obama no matter what.

For 3 of the top far-right repub voices to say the stim is working... well, if 3 of the top DEMS said it was a failure, you'ld be starting a thread about it.


Ha,ha,ha,ha Judd Gregg is a far right winger?He was going to join the Obama administration.What the fuck are you talking about?The guy is as moderate to left as you can be and still call yourself a republican.He pulled his nomination BECAUSE of the stupid stimulus bill!!!!He thought it was a TOTAL waste of money!!

By the way,I cant find ONE quote where he says the stimulus rescued the economy.He has said TARP was needed but I cant find a quote where he said that,but even if he did,the idea that you would say he is a conservative is laughable.

Finally,Obama has been in office for 1.5 years,BUT according to Chris Mathews its only 1.2 years and he cant be blamed for the economy yet.However,911 was George Bushs' fault because he was in there for 9 months so its his problem.The left wing media is INCREDIBLE!

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2010, 06:51:57 AM »
Ha ha ha.   Dont confuse 240 with the facts on any of this. 

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2010, 07:19:54 AM »
Sen. Judd Gregg abruptly withdrew his name as nominee for commerce secretary yesterday, citing "irresolvable conflicts" with President Obama. Gregg, a three-term Republican, also said he would not run for re-election in 2010.

In an e-mailed statement, Gregg cited the economic stimulus package and the administration of the 2010 census as sources of discord with the White House. But in a conference call with reporters, Gregg said the problems ran deeper than specific policy differences.

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2010, 07:27:17 AM »
Sen. Judd Gregg abruptly withdrew his name as nominee for commerce secretary yesterday, citing "irresolvable conflicts" with President Obama. Gregg, a three-term Republican, also said he would not run for re-election in 2010.

In an e-mailed statement, Gregg cited the economic stimulus package and the administration of the 2010 census as sources of discord with the White House. But in a conference call with reporters, Gregg said the problems ran deeper than specific policy differences.


As I stated he left BECAUSE of the stimulus plan.He also has NEVER EVER said the stimulus saved the economy,or that it worked,to this day he think its a TOTAL failure.He said the TARP plan worked.I know liberals try to say these things are the same thing,but they are totally different.Judd to this day was and is against the total waste of money that is the stimulus plan.

So,you were wrong.Just admit it and move on.

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Re: Obama's uncanny ability to shake off blame.
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2010, 07:31:28 AM »
240's head is so infected with msm, msnbc spin, obama hype, etc that I really question his ability to see the truth lately. 

Its sad, its like watching someone get re-programmed.