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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2010, 06:47:55 PM »
During a struggle between an officer and the 46-year-old woman who lived in the upper unit, the policeman's gun discharged, and a single bullet struck 7-year-old Ayanna Jones, who lay on a nearby couch, in the neck.

Officers used a flash grenade and then entered the upper unit. Godbee said little girl's 46-year-old grandmother and a police officer grappled. [/b]
"According to our officers and at least one independent witness, the officers announced themselves as police officers before going in," [/glow]

poldaktalos you shouldnt put the "we followed procedure, no harm done" in quotes like these police officers said that  ::)

facts look like they raided they house announced themselves before going in and then got in an altercation with someone...

sad sad story man

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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2010, 06:49:00 PM »
what exactly did they do wrong jag?

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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2010, 07:14:36 PM »
The "we followed procedure" is usually the conclusion of most internal investigations and used quite often by the cops themselves. So far their statements seem to support this attitude though i never quoted it as being part of the article, just what their statements seemed to imply.

Nevertheless i can understand the mother/grandmother/father/parent trying to defend their children against a night raid with flash bangs and gun wielding cops.
I don't want to go into assumptions on what happened but I think any parent would be concerned for the safety of their child and even get physical against anyone that breaks into their house at night, cop or not.


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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2010, 07:36:08 PM »
The "we followed procedure" is usually the conclusion of most internal investigations and used quite often by the cops themselves. So far their statements seem to support this attitude though i never quoted it as being part of the article, just what their statements seemed to imply.

Nevertheless i can understand the mother/grandmother/father/parent trying to defend their children against a night raid with flash bangs and gun wielding cops.
I don't want to go into assumptions on what happened but I think any parent would be concerned for the safety of their child and even get physical against anyone that breaks into their house at night, cop or not.
actually if you read the article with an objective view its obvious thats not what they where trying to imply  ::)

I agree with you if it was me id protect my child until i realized it was the police and as the police said and an independent witness confirmed they announced themselves before making entry...

this is a tragic situation but not one in which you should condemnt the cops for with the facts we have at hand it jus seems like a sad sad story.

not the cops fault though...

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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2010, 07:37:13 PM »
Are you in some  dream world or something? A bomb goes off in your home at 1 AM...there is immediate panicking as everyone is trying to figure out what is going on. You are all in the dark, kids are in one room you are in another.. doors fly open with imbecilic cops screaming all manner of nonsense...you have no clue hat is going on since everything is happening so fast, you odn't know whether your house is being burglarized or if some other event is happening. You wife and children are screaming and running through the house trying to find one another and in the midst of all of this are a bunch of inbred low brain cell count cops waving guns and firing at family members. There is no way in hell you are going to remain calm, controlled in that  situation and just like this family, someone(s) will end up shot for no reason

You sound like just the person to help out in a "crisis situation."
I bet you scream at the top of your lungs and start firing pistols anytime someone taps the breaks while you're in the car.  


And seriously, if you just killed a high school kid the day before, would you really not know whether it was the cops coming to arrest you for murder or the local gang that goes around breaking into murder suspects homes while screaming "POLICE!  POLICE" and throwing flash grenades?  
Seriously, what are the probabilities on that?  

"In local news, another rash of burglaries have been reported.  The bandits break into the homes of murder suspects and come running in with full police SWAT uniforms, yelling "POLICE! THIS IS A POLICE RAID!" and throwing flash grenades.  So if you've recently murdered someone and a group of people come storming in dressed as police officers and announcing that they're the police, don't believe them.  They're just part of the pandemic of people breaking into the homes of murder suspects, the day after they commit murder, and pretend to be the police"
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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2010, 07:42:39 PM »
Whats with the damn flash bangs at 12 am?
because people who are running from the police tend to stay awake to avoid the police...

seriously though....flash bangs on a search warrant with known children in the home?  thats a little much. i would never allow any team i was in command of do that shit...

they might say they didnt know of any children, but if they watched the fucking house like they are suppose to they would have known that...

as far as the child getting shot...i would like to see the official statements on this one....accidents happen all the time in raids, most of them are understandable, but always avoidable...

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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2010, 07:47:05 PM »
because people who are running from the police tend to stay awake to avoid the police...

seriously though....flash bangs on a search warrant with known children in the home?  thats a little much. i would never allow any team i was in command of do that shit...

they might say they didnt know of any children, but if they watched the fucking house like they are suppose to they would have known that...

as far as the child getting shot...i would like to see the official statements on this one....accidents happen all the time in raids, most of them are understandable, but always avoidable...

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Id agree that this could have been avoided a number of ways not simply by the police either but going on the facts we have I dont think ppl should be condemning the cops over this one.

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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2010, 07:49:00 PM »
During a struggle between an officer and the 46-year-old woman who lived in the upper unit, the policeman's gun discharged, and a single bullet struck 7-year-old Ayanna Jones, who lay on a nearby couch, in the neck.

Officers used a flash grenade and then entered the upper unit. Godbee said little girl's 46-year-old grandmother and a police officer grappled. [/b]
"According to our officers and at least one independent witness, the officers announced themselves as police officers before going in," [/glow]

poldaktalos you shouldnt put the "we followed procedure, no harm done" in quotes like these police officers said that  ::)

facts look like they raided they house announced themselves before going in and then got in an altercation with someone...

sad sad story man
thats my problem....i dont know about yall, but when i got hit with a flashbang i couldnt hear, or see shit for about 30 seconds.....who knows if the grandmother even knew who she was fighting.....my judgement on this one would come down to a timing issue involving entry to the home,flash bag usage, and altercation timing...

time will tell on this one...

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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2010, 07:51:11 PM »
Id agree that this could have been avoided a number of ways not simply by the police either but going on the facts we have I dont think ppl should be condemning the cops over this one.
i dont think anyone should be blamed...yet...to many variables as of yet.....shit, sometimes accidents just happen....nothing they can do now except live with it...
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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2010, 07:54:15 PM »
i dont think anyone should be blamed...yet...to many variables as of yet.....shit, sometimes accidents just happen....nothing they can do now except live with it...
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sorry but as a parent, an accident which results in the death of your child is something else

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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2010, 08:03:03 PM »
sorry but as a parent, an accident which results in the death of your child is something else
it all depends who fault that accident was....what if the officer who was holding the gun that killed the little girls finger was pushed by the grandmother pressing the trigger during the altercation?  he still has to live with that...

regardless of what happened it was the officer fault, because everybody raises their kids to hate police officers.....i guess the world needs somebody to demonize...

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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2010, 08:03:26 PM »
thats my problem....i dont know about yall, but when i got hit with a flashbang i couldnt hear, or see shit for about 30 seconds.....who knows if the grandmother even knew who she was fighting.....my judgement on this one would come down to a timing issue involving entry to the home,flash bag usage, and altercation timing...

time will tell on this one...

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I can agree with that, I think that they could have like you said staked out the duplex and choosen a better time but then again they didnt know if he was in there or not so I guess they had to act on the info they had iono...

Like I said I probably would have done the same thing until I realized I was fighting with the police. I mean if you sat there and it wasnt the cops chances are your ass is dead.

just a sad sad situation...

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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2010, 08:05:05 PM »
sorry but as a parent, an accident which results in the death of your child is something else
mom if you knowingly house a murder suspect youre just as responsible for putting your child at risk as the police are for coming in your house...

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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2010, 08:11:31 PM »
mom if you knowingly house a murder suspect youre just as responsible for putting your child at risk as the police are for coming in your house...
bro, dont even argue it.....people dont care about the truth, all they hear is 7 year old girl...

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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2010, 08:19:35 PM »
mom if you knowingly house a murder suspect youre just as responsible for putting your child at risk as the police are for coming in your house...

Well perhaps but no I wouldnt house a murder suspect. I care more about my kid and myself than that and dont associate with that

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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2010, 08:21:02 PM »


regardless of what happened it was the officer fault, because everybody raises their kids to hate police officers.....i guess the world needs somebody to demonize...

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Not of all us parents do that. I always wanted to be a cop, thats why I got a degree in criminal justice. Ask my daughter what she wants to be when she grows up is a police girl as she says. Anytime she sees a police officer, she always wants to talk to them.

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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2010, 08:21:50 PM »
Well perhaps but no I wouldnt house a murder suspect. I care more about my kid and myself than that and dont associate with that
i wasnt saying that "you" dont care about the thruth.....i was just talking about people in general dont care about what happened when children are involved...they just want to blame somebody...

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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2010, 08:22:29 PM »
The family wasn't harboring the suspected murderer. The place was a duplex and the guy was living in the lower apartment, the police raided the upper apartment where the family was living.

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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2010, 08:24:21 PM »
Well perhaps but no I wouldnt house a murder suspect. I care more about my kid and myself than that and dont associate with that
exactly b/c you can imagine what kind of stuff comes along with housing them and police busting in your door is a logical reality in doing so, so if you do so knowing that police raiding your house is a possibility then you hold some accountability in the outcome.

I always watch the first 48 and I cant stand how they never charge anybody with aiding and abeding or obstruction...I dont know the standards of what needs to be established to be able to press charges for those but man if I was an investigator I would be charging ppl with that every chance I got.

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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2010, 08:24:54 PM »
Is there a better time of day to use flash bangs?
If you disagree with it, why don't us offer to raid the home of a person that murdered a 17 year old in cold blood a day before the raid.  You can offer to raid the residence of murderers around the country without the use of any disorienting aids.  

It is beyond horrible that an innocent child was murdered, but think a second before you throw full blame on the police.  
I have children.  If police raided my home, a few things would definitely NOT happen.  
First, I wouldn't kill a 17 year old boy.  
Second, if someone else killed a 17 year old boy the day before, I wouldn't house them in my home.
Third, my children would not be anywhere near the front door at 12 am.
Fourth, if my children happened to wake up because of the noise, I would not let them come downstairs and hang out where all the commotion was (the would listen because they've learned to respect authority and listen to the rules they're given.  They're welcome to complain at a later time if they think the rules are unfair and unjust, but they listen to what their parents say first, and complain later....because they've learned to respect what we say and understand the difference between authoritative and authoritarian statements)
Fifth, my wife would most definitely NOT enter into a conflict/altercation with the police officers.  



If it turns out that the residents followed this same pattern, remained perfectly calm until the police were able to explain the entire situation, didn't enter into an altercation with the police, and the police raced up to the sleeping child's room (it was midnight...) to shoot her for no reason, then I'll call for their heads immediately.  

But....however unfortunate and terrible the end result was, I feel fairly confident that cooler heads would have prevailed in my home....and my children would still be alive.

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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2010, 08:29:23 PM »
The family wasn't harboring the suspected murderer. The place was a duplex and the guy was living in the lower apartment, the police raided the upper apartment where the family was living.
the search warrant allowed them to search both units

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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2010, 08:45:07 PM »
the search warrant allowed them to search both units
i got a search warrant for a whole apartment complex one time...it was a very small complex, but it was still for the whole damn thing...

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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2010, 09:31:07 PM »
They might escape criminal punishment, but the psychological sentence is for life.

RIP, child.
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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #48 on: May 17, 2010, 02:21:41 PM »
Woman Hospitalized Following Botched Raid
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Posted on Monday, May 17, 2010 12:46:48 AM by Chet 99

Woman Hospitalized Following Botched Raid

By Jon Lewis @ May 13, 2010 6:52 AM Permalink | Comments (32)

(WSB Radio) An elderly Polk County woman is hospitalized in critical condition after suffering a heart attack when drug agents swarm the wrong house. Machelle Holl tells WSB her 76-year-old mother, Helen Pruett, who lives alone, was at home when nearly a dozen local and federal agents swarmed her house, thinking they were about to arrest suspected drug dealers.

"She was at home and a bang came on the back door and she went to the door and by the time she got to the back door, someone was banging on the front door and then they were banging on her kitchen window saying police, police," said Holl.

Holl says her house was surrounded and she was scared to open the door. When the Polk County Police Chief finally convinced her she was safe, she let them in.

"They never served her with a warrant. At that point, she said the phones were ringing with the other men that were in the yard and they realized that it was the wrong address," said Holl.

Chief Kenny Dodd says they realized the subject they were looking for was not there.

"She made us aware that she was having chest pains and we got her medical attention. I stayed with her and kept her calm and talked with her, monitored her vital signs until the ambulance arrived," said Dodd.

"My mother has had a heart attack. She has had congestive heart failure and she is in ICU at the moment. She is not good condition and her heart is working only 35 percent," said Holl.

Holl admits that her mother has had three heart attacks but has been doing well for the past couple of years. "She was traumatized. Even the doctor said this is what happens when something traumatic happens. He said it's usually like a death in the family or something like that just absolutely scares them half to death, and that is what has happened," said Holl.

Police say they have had her mother's home under surveillance for two years.

Holl says if that's true, how could police get the wrong address?

"We have just found out from a neighbor that they (police) went into some other elderly woman's home who was on oxygen and took her oxygen off of her and scared her half to death," said Holl.

Holl remembers the Kathyrn Johnston, the elderly woman shot to death in a botched drug raid in Atlanta, and thinks thinks this kind of thing happens too often. "They have totally made a really bad mistake. You would think that with the officers and the SWAT team and the DEA they would make sure that all of their I's are dotted, all of their T's are crossed before they go bursting into someone's home like that," said Holl.

Dodd says he has gone to the hospital to check on Pruett and apologize to the family for what has happened.

Police did end up making seven drug arrests relating to the two year investigation, but the DEA is investigating to see how this mix-up happened.


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Re: 7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
« Reply #49 on: May 17, 2010, 07:54:50 PM »
Aiyana Jones case, attorney says Video shows police fired into Detroit home

By COREY WILLIAMS and ED WHITE
The Associated Press
Monday, May 17, 2010; 5:01 PM




DETROIT -- An attorney for the family of a 7-year-old girl who was killed by a police officer's bullet during a weekend raid at their home said Monday that he saw video of the raid that contradicts the police department's version of what happened.

Attorney Geoffrey Fieger said he watched three or four minutes of video that showed police fired into the home after lobbing a flash grenade through the window. He said this contradicts the police department's story, which was that the officer's gun discharged during a struggle or collision inside the home with the girl's grandmother.

"There is no question about what happened because it's in the videotape," Fieger said. "It's not an accident. It's not a mistake. There was no altercation.

"The gun was fired before anyone goes through the door. There are lights all over, like it's a television set."

A camera crew for the cable television crime-reality series "The First 48" was at the raid, although Fieger declined to say whether the video he watched was shot by the crew.

A&E spokesman Dan Silberman said neither he nor anyone else from the network would comment about the case.

Fieger said more than one camera was recording at the scene.

"It demonstrates conclusively, beyond a shadow of a doubt, what happened in this case," the attorney said. "The pictures don't lie. It's got sound and everything."

Michigan State Police detectives have taken charge of the investigation.

Detroit police were trying to obtain any footage of the raid captured by the film crew, which had been shadowing city homicide investigators almost daily since early this year, Assistant Chief Ralph Godbee said Monday.

Godbee said Detroit police would not be commenting on the tactics they employed during the raid, but that the department was not concerned that the film crew had any affect on how it was conducted.

The target of the search, a 34-year-old man suspected of killing a 17-year-old boy, was arrested in the upstairs unit at the two-family home. Police had warrants to search both units, and relatives of the girl were seen Monday going in and out of both.