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Conrad Black: Europe reaps what it sowed
Posted: May 15, 2010, 9:45 AM by NP Editor
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Conrad Black, euro, Greece, European Union
Here is the most chronic problem in Europe: Barely 30% of Europeans work

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The economic shambles in Europe is the greatest crisis facing the West. It is a startling disintegration, especially given the lofty hopes briefly generated in the Europhoria of Western and Central European union following the implosion of the USSR.

The United States, by contrast, remains a proud and determined country with a hard-working and immensely skilled work force, and is unafraid to deploy its superb military in good causes, exchanging live fire with civilization’s enemies.

Letting America be America has already produced some organic progress. The general scourging of Wall Street, well-earned in principle if not in the details of the bill being prepared in Congress, will cool out the steroid-bloated financial industry.

The U.S. federal budget deficit for the current year is already $300-billion below the initial forecast, and there are plausible indications that it will come down from its present 11% of GDP to less than 5% within three years. The current account deficit is down by almost 50% and the savings rate has risen from zero to about 5%. Most of the cities and states are terribly strapped. (Arizona has sold its state capitol and leased it back, and New Jersey is facing an $11-billion deficit on an initial spending requirement of $30-billion. The suggestion of a 5% reduction in the schools budget, or a one-year freeze on the pay of the state’s teachers was greeted with the composition and circulation by teachers’ union officials of a poem hoping for the death of the new governor, Chris Christie.) But at least they can’t expand the money supply and create inflation

The United States has made some disastrous economic mistakes and there are terrible problems in the justice, education and health-care systems, but it certainly has the means, if not at the moment apparently, the leadership, to work its way out of the problems. Such an incomparably successful country, having led the defeat of the Nazis, seen off the economic threat of Japan and induced and watched the soufflé-like collapse of the USSR and international Communism, can probably afford two decades of erratic leadership, as long as it ends soon. Dealing with the current problems will not be like falling off a log, but Americans, despite the widely accepted caricature of them as an obese lumpenbourgeoisie, have not been mollycoddled by the state as Europeans have and have not become inert and dyspeptic as most of the nationalities of the old continent have.


Here is the most chronic problem in Europe: Barely 30% of Europeans work, to sustain the rest. Working hours have been steadily reduced in most countries; holidays have multiplied, and perhaps even more than elsewhere, Europe has fled to service industry and public-sector employment, which is often not really productive work, or may be just disguised welfare, or at least workfare.


Almost the whole continent has lumbered into double-digit deficits, three to four times the agreed maximum of the Eurozone, and cutting the deficits will require more draconian measures than the political leadership possesses the will to impose.


It was only 10 or 15 years ago when European elites dreamed audibly of standing on each others’ shoulders and reliving the glories of Europe’s preeminence in the world, before it gave us Nazism and Communism. There abounded smug remarks to the effect that the United States was about to become a majority non-white country, which continued until much of Western Europe itself, stunted by a collapsed birthrate and trying to replace the unborn with unassimilable immigration, erupted in sectarian violence. (In the United States, meanwhile, almost all immigrants sign on to the American Way eventually, and their pigmentation is irrelevant.)


The assembly of a trillion dollar Euro-fund to backstop struggling EU members is impressive, but it is borrowed money in a debt-ridden jurisdiction, and the real test will be to see how much of Europe will be ready to impose the sort of fierce measures that have had the Greeks energetically rioting for the past several weeks. For notorious historical reasons, Europe has been paying Danegeld placebos to workers and small farmers since the Second World War and the recipients have become very addicted to them.


The customary solution is the devaluation of the currency, but the stronger economies, France and Germany, won’t stand for that. It may be that differently valued Northern and Southern euros will be necessary, but the burdens of a hard currency will not be shouldered easily by countries which have not borne them for literally thousands of years.


The 13 years of New Labour in Britain have squandered almost every advantage the 18 previous years of Margaret Thatcher and John Major accomplished, except flexible labour markets. Britain is overtaxed like the rest of Europe; public sector spending is over 50% of GDP, and now government is in the hands of a pantomime horse coalition of parties who do not agree on much and are led by two young pretty faces who have never been tested and were not impressive in the election campaign. Prime Minister David Cameron’s championship of the “Big Society” is jarring, acoustically and substantively. In the end, British luck usually holds, but that is what will be required to prevent Britain’s descent into Euroshambles.


Russia is a melting iceberg, a sharply declining, alcohol-sodden population with no sign of economic progress or renewal apart from the oil industry and pandemic corruption and wilfull lawlessness in all areas of government. Its only distinct policy is to terrify or seduce former Soviet republics that seceded from the Soviet Union.


For decades, Europe has played Turkey as a 50-pound fish on a 20-pound line, reeling it in when Turkey was needed and rejecting the Turks as a Muslim rabble at other times. The predictable has happened, as Turkey is now enjoying greater economic growth than any other country in (or partly in) Europe. It is an Islamic regime that is casting aside Kemal Ataturk’s guardians of secularism, the army and the judiciary, who became thoroughly corrupt in the 70 years that they have held the clergy at bay. Turkey has virtually turned its back on Europe and on its former allies, Israel and the United States, and is now asserting influence over its former Arab satrapies. How far it will vanish into the Islamic world, where no matter what happens it will be a force for comparative moderation, is an open question.


And Japan, just now being passed by China as the world’s second economy, is racked by high debt and taxes, sluggish growth, aging and declining population and a completely dysfunctional political system. The country’s most popular politician, who has just founded a new party, has a radical pro-growth economic program, but his first priority is to shrink the Diet (parliament), by half. For nearly 60 years, Japan was a one-party state, and now is almost a no-party state. The Japanese will work it out, but not overnight and not with this crew.


Canada has the highest economic growth rate of any advanced economy, with the possible exceptions of Australia and Israel, and relatively modest debt (for which everyone should be grateful to Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin). The country’s financial and political institutions are working as well as any in the world and Canada is finally getting some recognition for what it has achieved. Let’s get used to it.

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Re: The biggest problem with Europe: Barely 30% of people work.
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2010, 05:39:11 PM »
Like I said, Europe should stop trying to lay blame on the US and other countries and focus on their own massive shortcomings and failures. Time to come to terms with your failed fantasy lives and get back to work.

The USA will wake up eventually. Europe will be an impoverished Islamic caliphate within 50 years. It's bittersweet, really. Listening to all the Eurotrash constantly talk about how great their countries are. LOL.

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Re: The biggest problem with Europe: Barely 30% of people work.
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2010, 05:43:47 PM »
Here is the most chronic problem in Europe: Barely 30% of Europeans work, to sustain the rest. Working hours have been steadily reduced in most countries; holidays have multiplied, and perhaps even more than elsewhere, Europe has fled to service industry and public-sector employment, which is often not really productive work, or may be just disguised welfare, or at least workfare.

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We need to get people back to actually working doing real stuff, not govt jobs.   

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Re: The biggest problem with Europe: Barely 30% of people work.
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2010, 05:12:26 AM »
Here is the most chronic problem in Europe: Barely 30% of Europeans work, to sustain the rest. Working hours have been steadily reduced in most countries; holidays have multiplied, and perhaps even more than elsewhere, Europe has fled to service industry and public-sector employment, which is often not really productive work, or may be just disguised welfare, or at least workfare.

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We need to get people back to actually working doing real stuff, not govt jobs.    

"He who would not work, neither should he eat".....where have I heard that before?

What I find funny is that Europe was laughing at us, about becoming a non-white country. Meanwhile, they're but a generation away from bowing before Allah 5 times a day, as the Muslims are overtaking them, left and right.

50 years? It may be more like 20.


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Re: The biggest problem with Europe: Barely 30% of people work.
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2010, 05:17:07 AM »
Its because most europeeons have no self respect and will not fight for their culture.

They have only rthemselves to blame.

I thank god every day my grandparents left that mess.

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Re: The biggest problem with Europe: Barely 30% of people work.
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2010, 05:27:11 AM »
Like I said, Europe should stop trying to lay blame on the US and other countries and focus on their own massive shortcomings and failures. Time to come to terms with your failed fantasy lives and get back to work.

The USA will wake up eventually. Europe will be an impoverished Islamic caliphate within 50 years. It's bittersweet, really. Listening to all the Eurotrash constantly talk about how great their countries are. LOL.
LOL This article wasn't the exact same thing from a US perspective? both the US and Europe have their own (massive) problems. A flag-waving fluff piece written for the blue collar worker isn't going to change all of that. It's just a transparent attempt at shifting the focus away from the complete clusterfuck that is the US. "Looky there! They are worse off than we are! So suck it up and be a happy drone!"  ::)

And yes, sometimes it seems like we are becoming a muslim society. Then again: reality is that muslims are secularizing at an astonishing rate. By the time they could be a problem they will have lost the religion their cohesion is based on. And that cohesion is already so good, that the few muslim parties over here who have gotten into politics have all gone down in flames due to infighting. ;D But even if your absurd prediction came through: at least we won't have to speak Spanish. How will that be where you live 20 years from now? Got Spic?

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Re: The biggest problem with Europe: Barely 30% of people work.
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2010, 05:31:02 AM »
Its because most europeeons have no self respect and will not fight for their culture.
That, I grant you, is a problem. We have self respect, but it's been buried for decades by political correctness. But that is changing, fortunately. Not as fast nor as drastic as it should, but it is changing.

Besides: how much better is the US in this respect? Who is actually doing something besides talking about it on fora and blogs?

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Re: The biggest problem with Europe: Barely 30% of people work.
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2010, 05:32:55 AM »
LOL This article wasn't the exact same thing from a US perspective? both the US and Europe have their own (massive) problems. A flag-waving fluff piece written for the blue collar worker isn't going to change all of that. It's just a transparent attempt at shifting the focus away from the complete clusterfuck that is the US. "Looky there! They are worse off than we are! So suck it up and be a happy drone!"  ::)

And yes, sometimes it seems like we are becoming a muslim society. Then again: reality is that muslims are secularizing at an astonishing rate. By the time they could be a problem they will have lost the religion their cohesion is based on. And that cohesion is already so good, that the few muslim parties over here who have gotten into politics have all gone down in flames due to infighting. ;D But even if your absurd prediction came through: at least we won't have to speak Spanish. How will that be where you live 20 years from now? Got Spic?

Unless my memory is failing me, nowhere have the Muslims gone, en masse, that they haven't turned that country into a Muslim nation. If you think for one second that Shariah law ain't coming your way (should the Muslims get enough stroke), you've been munching too much Khat.

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Re: The biggest problem with Europe: Barely 30% of people work.
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2010, 05:42:35 AM »
Unless my memory is failing me, nowhere have the Muslims gone, en masse, that they haven't turned that country into a Muslim nation. If you think for one second that Shariah law ain't coming your way (should the Muslims get enough stroke), you've been munching too much Khat.
Hmmm... let me see. They can't even do that successfully in a historically islamic country such as Turkey. Pray provide some proof why it would miraculously work in countries with much less islamic background.

More wealth = less religion. Goatfuckers in central Burkhastan can easily be radicalized. Do you really believe (and can you prove) that rich "muslim" kids will give up all they have now, just to prove a point? Give up white chicks, expensive cars, cell phones, jobs that involve more than shifting dung around, the prospect of not dying before 40? I don't think so.

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Re: The biggest problem with Europe: Barely 30% of people work.
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2010, 05:44:01 AM »
47% pay taxes here in the USA, right?

What % pays taxes there?

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Re: The biggest problem with Europe: Barely 30% of people work.
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2010, 05:47:44 AM »
Hmmm... let me see. They can't even do that successfully in a historically islamic country such as Turkey. Pray provide some proof why it would miraculously work in countries with much less islamic background.

More wealth = less religion. Goatfuckers in central Burkhastan can easily be radicalized. Do you really believe (and can you prove) that rich "muslim" kids will give up all they have now, just to prove a point? Give up white chicks, expensive cars, cell phones, jobs that involve more than shifting dung around, the prospect of not dying before 40? I don't think so.

Saudi Arabia has plenty of wealth; at last check, Islam is alive and well, there.

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Re: The biggest problem with Europe: Barely 30% of people work.
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2010, 06:14:47 AM »
47% pay taxes here in the USA, right?

What % pays taxes there?
Not a clue. Any number I'd put out would also be arbitrary without looking at the big picture. Essentially everyone pays taxes. Even if you don't have income from work you pay VAT and some city and provincial taxes (comparable to county and state taxes in the US). It's just that under some circumstances those city and provincial taxes are either waived or reimbursed partially or completely. So honestly I have no idea how many people effectively pay taxes.

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Re: The biggest problem with Europe: Barely 30% of people work.
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2010, 06:17:42 AM »
Saudi Arabia has plenty of wealth; at last check, Islam is alive and well, there.

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nowhere have the Muslims gone, en masse, that they haven't turned that country into a Muslim nation
Saudi Arabia was islamic first, became rich much, much later. That is a completely different scenario. Again: what significant 1st world country has been taken over by islam?

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Re: The biggest problem with Europe: Barely 30% of people work.
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2010, 06:32:35 AM »
Saudi Arabia was islamic first, became rich much, much later. That is a completely different scenario. Again: what significant 1st world country has been taken over by islam?

No "first world" country has been taken over....yet.

Your statement earlier claimed that "more wealth = less religion". Yet, there are a number of wealthy countries whose religious identity is quite vibrant.

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Re: The biggest problem with Europe: Barely 30% of people work.
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2010, 06:38:32 AM »
No "first world" country has been taken over....yet.
And I'm going out on a limb and say that this will never happen as long as those countries stay 1st world.

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Your statement earlier claimed that "more wealth = less religion". Yet, there are a number of wealthy countries whose religious identity is quite vibrant.
Granted. I should have expressed myself a bit better, and mention that I was talking only about countries not (yet) islamic. Although I do believe that with some modification the statement still holds true. A lot (most?) people in Saudi Arabia are dirt poor. Only the upper crust is filthy rich. When even the poor become "rich", they will lose faith. A similar process was seen during the
Renaissance, and I am assuming it will hold true for islam too.

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Re: The biggest problem with Europe: Barely 30% of people work.
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2010, 06:44:09 AM »
And I'm going out on a limb and say that this will never happen as long as those countries stay 1st world.
Granted. I should have expressed myself a bit better, and mention that I was talking only about countries not (yet) islamic. Although I do believe that with some modification the statement still holds true. A lot (most?) people in Saudi Arabia are dirt poor. Only the upper crust is filthy rich. When even the poor become "rich", they will lose faith. A similar process was seen during the
Renaissance, and I am assuming it will hold true for islam too.

Not necessarily. That depends on how they become "rich" and whether their religious tenets are seen as a help or hindrance to that end.


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Re: The biggest problem with Europe: Barely 30% of people work.
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2010, 06:46:10 AM »
On a more topical note: why is only 30% of people working necessarily a bad thing? The crux of the matter is not the number of people performing labor, but the total value created with that work. I can do all your work while you do all of mine. Our employment rate would be 100%. But if my job is to move paper to your desk, and your job is to move it to mine, then what value have we created?

Value is the only metric that really counts. If 30% of people produce enough value (and subsequent tax base) to support all government spending, then what is the problem, really? And don't compare all of Europe as one entity. We are not. Especially since only a very small portion of our taxes go to the EU. How people are taxed, and how that money is spent, is still almost entirely in the hands of individual nations. So you can't extrapolate Greece's problems to Germany, Holland, Denmark, etc.

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Re: The biggest problem with Europe: Barely 30% of people work.
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2010, 06:48:22 AM »
Not necessarily. That depends on how they become "rich" and whether their religious tenets are seen as a help or hindrance to that end.
Seeing as the only universal tenet of all religions seems to be: "give us your money, so that you may go to heaven!" I think we can guess the outcome of that question. :D  But in principle I agree with you.

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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2010, 06:56:08 AM »
Seeing as the only universal tenet of all religions seems to be: "give us your money, so that you may go to heaven!" I think we can guess the outcome of that question. :D  But in principle I agree with you.

I take it you've never heard the saying, "If 10% is good enough for the Lord, it's good enough for the IRS"

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Re: The biggest problem with Europe: Barely 30% of people work.
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2010, 07:03:46 AM »
I take it you've never heard the saying, "If 10% is good enough for the Lord, it's good enough for the IRS"

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