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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2010, 08:49:26 PM »
I don't think I've seen a natural over 195 in ripped condition.

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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2010, 09:03:28 PM »
Why is it people think they've reached their ''natural limit''?

Have you really gotten to the point you can't be any better without drugs?

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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2010, 09:08:11 PM »
probably sevataste, he got pretty huge
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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2010, 09:25:03 PM »
I don't think I've seen a natural over 195 in ripped condition.

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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2010, 09:46:26 PM »
You always hear steroid abusers claim they needed to take the juice to surpass their natural limit.  what is this limit, when does it happen and how do you know it has happened?

Muscle mass wise it's something that happens in your 40's, if you have started training young that is.

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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2010, 09:52:10 PM »
SF1900 = Natural Freak!  :D

Actually, this is not the case. Unfortunately, I do believe everyone has a natural limit. Eventually, you will hit your limit and not make much gains after that. I mean, if this wasn't the case, wouldn't we all look like Ronnie Coleman? There is definitely a genetic limit on what someone can achieve.

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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2010, 10:05:39 PM »
This was from Mr GBIII....5'10" 178lbs....could've prob shed another 5lbs of fat to be shredded. I have avg structure, but even with better structure, I doubt I'd be more than 10lbs heavier without gear.



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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2010, 12:28:00 AM »
Ask gh15 ;)

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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2010, 12:42:33 AM »
The natural limit would take nearly a lifetime to determine...
And that limit varies from individual to individual. So there isn't  universal limit
not many people have reached their natural limit becaus either they are too lazy to put in the hard work
or they start to use drugs. For me personally I have 3 or more decades to find out hopefully.

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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2010, 01:16:45 AM »
i'm so damn narrow.  i have naturally twig arms, tiny wrists.  I have no clue what my natural limit is... but it's impossible for me to break 180 without being a fatass. :(

Dude 180 is HUUUGGE for a lean natural.  This year I've been stoked to go from 150 to 155.  Granted I'm only 5'8" but still you have gotten your head twisted by all of the drug abusers.  They make it very hard to be happy with what is naturally possible.

Lets just hope that safe muscle enhancement comes out before we get old and gray and can't even hit our natural limits anymore.

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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2010, 01:56:52 AM »
Dude 180 is HUUUGGE for a lean natural.  This year I've been stoked to go from 150 to 155.  Granted I'm only 5'8" but still you have gotten your head twisted by all of the drug abusers.  They make it very hard to be happy with what is naturally possible.

Lets just hope that safe muscle enhancement comes out before we get old and gray and can't even hit our natural limits anymore.

But what about Flex Wheeler's body fat measurement?
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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2010, 02:05:02 AM »
I guess you mean Flex's 0% right? That's only possible when you are 6 feet under :> The lowest I've ever heard of was Clarence Bass at 2.4%

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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2010, 02:06:26 AM »
I guess you mean Flex's 0% right? That's only possible when you are 6 feet under :> The lowest I've ever heard of was Clarence Bass at 2.4%

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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2010, 04:57:08 AM »
I've found I've reached a point "drug free/Naturally' where I don't nessisary get heavy or bigger.. but my muscle quality density and hardness improves each year. My contest weight has stays pretty much constant (within a 5 pound range for the past 10 years or so) but I look 20pounds heavy than I do in the begining, due to that "muscle maturity" I'm talking about.

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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2010, 06:36:50 AM »
Here are pics I took two weeks after the pics I took for GB3. This is MY natural limit, or damn near close. 5'10 and 175 here. I've tried to put on more but after a point I can't put on lean mass without putting on enough fat for me to tolerate.




Epic black velvet picture in the background,Dr.Spoc ears,and cargo pants from the Salvation army :)




















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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2010, 08:14:46 AM »
I've found I've reached a point "drug free/Naturally' where I don't nessisary get heavy or bigger.. but my muscle quality density and hardness improves each year. My contest weight has stays pretty much constant (within a 5 pound range for the past 10 years or so) but I look 20pounds heavy than I do in the begining, due to that "muscle maturity" I'm talking about.

I agree with this statement. I've doing this just shy of 30 years and while my bodyweight has remained somewhat consistent but my overall look has changed as well.
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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2010, 09:12:01 AM »
That it takes decades to reach your so-called natural limit in muscle mass is just so much bullshit. The absolute majority of muscle you're ever going to build is built in the first couple of years of intelligent lifting and eating. Let's say something like at least 90% in the first 2 years. The next 2 or so years you gain the next 8-9% and you're basically THERE. For all intents and purposes you're for sure finished growing after less than 5 years of reasonably intelligent lifting. What a few posters have said here, that they're not really growing much after decades is true. "Muscle quality" may improve, though that's pretty vague and subjective term. Muscle growth isn't a slow process where you add a steady 1-2lbs a year for decades. It comes in bursts and drug free maximum muscle potential is realized very quickly.

I know people who have lifted clean for over 20 years and claim they're still growing and "progressing". I wonder how they measure this "growth" since they've weighed the exact same for 2 decades, and in many cases they're actually lighter and weaker than they were in their 20s for example.

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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2010, 09:38:20 AM »
Spot on post Van!

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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2010, 09:59:50 AM »
That it takes decades to reach your so-called natural limit in muscle mass is just so much bullshit. The absolute majority of muscle you're ever going to build is built in the first couple of years of intelligent lifting and eating. Let's say something like at least 90% in the first 2 years. The next 2 or so years you gain the next 8-9% and you're basically THERE. For all intents and purposes you're for sure finished growing after less than 5 years of reasonably intelligent lifting. What a few posters have said here, that they're not really growing much after decades is true. "Muscle quality" may improve, though that's pretty vague and subjective term. Muscle growth isn't a slow process where you add a steady 1-2lbs a year for decades. It comes in bursts and drug free maximum muscle potential is realized very quickly.

I know people who have lifted clean for over 20 years and claim they're still growing and "progressing". I wonder how they measure this "growth" since they've weighed the exact same for 2 decades, and in many cases they're actually lighter and weaker than they were in their 20s for example.
Beat me to it..

I'd have to agree. I've been lifting roughly 10yrs and I would have to say I am pretty much maxed out naturally. Now, I can gain total body weight and gain muscle easily, but to do so and keep the same body fat percentage would be very hard to say the least.

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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2010, 10:04:12 AM »
That it takes decades to reach your so-called natural limit in muscle mass is just so much bullshit. The absolute majority of muscle you're ever going to build is built in the first couple of years of intelligent lifting and eating. Let's say something like at least 90% in the first 2 years. The next 2 or so years you gain the next 8-9% and you're basically THERE. For all intents and purposes you're for sure finished growing after less than 5 years of reasonably intelligent lifting. What a few posters have said here, that they're not really growing much after decades is true. "Muscle quality" may improve, though that's pretty vague and subjective term. Muscle growth isn't a slow process where you add a steady 1-2lbs a year for decades. It comes in bursts and drug free maximum muscle potential is realized very quickly.

I know people who have lifted clean for over 20 years and claim they're still growing and "progressing". I wonder how they measure this "growth" since they've weighed the exact same for 2 decades, and in many cases they're actually lighter and weaker than they were in their 20s for example.

Maybe they are doing something wrong, I've seen people progress as the years went by, tried different things and BOOM 15-20 more lbs! I'm sorry I disagree with you on most of your post, but I do agree you make A LOT of gains in the very beginning its almost the foundation being laid out, you can only build so much onto it!

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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #45 on: May 20, 2010, 10:35:38 AM »
Awesome physique on TommyBoy. Looks better than juicequilles imo..
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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2010, 10:37:40 AM »
Also got to give praise to Dov from going from funky chicken guy to second place and the moral winner of MrGB.

Has that Dutch juicer/cheat/thief even posted since his smash and grab?
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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2010, 01:51:45 PM »
That it takes decades to reach your so-called natural limit in muscle mass is just so much bullshit. The absolute majority of muscle you're ever going to build is built in the first couple of years of intelligent lifting and eating. Let's say something like at least 90% in the first 2 years. The next 2 or so years you gain the next 8-9% and you're basically THERE. For all intents and purposes you're for sure finished growing after less than 5 years of reasonably intelligent lifting. What a few posters have said here, that they're not really growing much after decades is true. "Muscle quality" may improve, though that's pretty vague and subjective term. Muscle growth isn't a slow process where you add a steady 1-2lbs a year for decades. It comes in bursts and drug free maximum muscle potential is realized very quickly.

I know people who have lifted clean for over 20 years and claim they're still growing and "progressing". I wonder how they measure this "growth" since they've weighed the exact same for 2 decades, and in many cases they're actually lighter and weaker than they were in their 20s for example.

exactly after 3 to 5 years of serious lifting and dieting you develop your maximal natural muscle mass and then when you keep hammering it for the next decades you only make it more defined but that's about it.

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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2010, 01:57:23 PM »
exactly after 3 to 5 years of serious lifting and dieting you develop your maximal natural muscle mass and then when you keep hammering it for the next decades you only make it more defined but that's about it.

surely your not presuming to speak for the entire human race  :-\ and this is not true every year I get slightly bigger while still keeping my definition purely from hard training
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Re: What is the natural limit?
« Reply #49 on: May 20, 2010, 02:06:08 PM »
surely your not presuming to speak for the entire human race  :-\ and this is not true every year I get slightly bigger while still keeping my definition purely from hard training
huh...it works the same as i stated previously for ectos, mesos and endos. Of course if you re a meso you re not going to have the same amount of muscle mass as an ecto, and if you re an endo you re not going to have same amount of fat than an ecto or meso...  ::)