Don't Ask; Don't Tell, Not So Bad? ROTC Girl "Comes Out" On Eve of Graduation

[MCWAY]

Now, she may owe the Army nearly $80,000. Her commading officer even warned her that she didn't have to do this.

Is this a case of someone conveniently becoming gay, to avoid serving in combat? You make the call!!!

College Student May Owe ROTC $80,000 After Coming Out as Lesbian

A student who received a full-ride ROTC scholarship to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill may now owe the Army nearly $80,000 for the money it put toward her tuition and books after coming out as a lesbian.

Sara Isaacson was notified in March that she was being discharged for violating “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” after informing the head of the university’s ROTC program of her sexual orientation in a formal memo, the Chronicle of Higher Education reported.

Along with the notice was a recommendation that she repay the $79,265.14 the government spent on her education, the paper reported.

Isaacson says keeping her sexual orientation a secret would put her at odds with one of the Army’s key virtues.

"I didn't feel like I could be a good officer if I didn't have integrity," she told the Chronicle of Higher Education.

Lt. Col. Monte Yoder, head of the university's Army ROTC program, said Ms. Isaacson would never have had to talk about her sexual orientation at all.

"I was very clear with Miss Isaacson about that," he told the Chronicle. "I told her I won't ask."

Army officials have yet to issue a final decision on whether she will need to repay the money, the paper reported.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/15/college-student-owe-rotc-coming-lesbian/

[Dos Equis]

"I didn't feel like I could be a good officer if I didn't have integrity," she told the Chronicle of Higher Education.

Where was this integrity for the past four years while the government was paying her tuition? 

[MCWAY]

Where was this integrity for the past four years while the government was paying her tuition? 

I found this article, after hearing Bill O'Reilly and Megyn Kelly discuss this on "The O'Reilly Factor". Kelly claims that she didn't know she was gay, until her senior year....which just happened to be a semester shy of graduation.....which just so happen to be when she may have been deployed to a combat zone (i.e. Iraq or Afghanistan).

[Dos Equis]

I found this article, after hearing Bill O'Reilly and Megyn Kelly discuss this on "The O'Reilly Factor". Kelly claims that she didn't know she was gay, until her senior year....which just happened to be a semester shy of graduation.....which just so happen to be when she may have been deployed to a combat zone (i.e. Iraq or Afghanistan).

How convenient.  So I guess she wasn't born gay?   

[Emmortal]

She's only gay if she wants to be.

[chadstallion]

She's only gay if she wants to be.

kind of like you're stupid if you want to be.

[drkaje]

How convenient, LOL!

[Skip8282]

I hope they add interest to that 80 grand.

[drkaje]

I hope they make her stay in and go to Iraq.

Gays are always bitching the law is wrong, we should let her be a test case.

[MCWAY]

I hope they make her stay in and go to Iraq.

Gays are always bitching the law is wrong, we should let her be a test case.

Before you are sworn in or given one penny, there are certain policies about which you are briefed. Among them, of course, is the DoD Policy on Homosexual Behavior. You have to sign the paperwork, stating you've taken that training course and agree to abide by it.

Again, the timing makes this whole thing suspect. A few weeks before it's time for her to get her degree AND DEPLOY (likely to where the action is, Iraq or Afghanistan), she's turns lesbian? I don't buy it.

Here's more of the story:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/92524619.html?page=1#comments

[Soul Crusher]

Good, they should go after this woman without mercy and get the 80k back. 

[MCWAY]

Good, they should go after this woman without mercy and get the 80k back.  

I say make her serve; then kick her out. The money’s already been spent and, if she’s a typical college grad, it’s going to take WAAAAAAY longer than 4 years to pay back that 80 grand.

The military's a different animal. When you get fired, you don't just clean out your desk and walk. It takes weeks (sometimes MONTHS), before you are fully separated from the Armed Forces.

[The Showstoppa]

Wow...if they did force her to serve, she should be busted down to an E-1 and clean shitters for 4 years, not be an officer in charge of anything. 

[MCWAY]

Wow...if they did force her to serve, she should be busted down to an E-1 and clean shitters for 4 years, not be an officer in charge of anything. 

If they did that, she'd have to serve for nearly a decade to pay that money back.

[headhuntersix]

We had a long talk about this while eating some shitty KBR food. It was decided that while we all enjoy lesbians...really enjoy lesbians, a standard is a standard. Further, part of any packet to discharge a Lesbian must have video..hours of video. That video must be widely viewed and a consensus must be reached in order to discharge. Lipstick lesbians, a rare bread will be allowed some leeway. If ur butch, ur sorta fucked. Gays on the other hand.....forgetaboutit.

She's full of shit...either ur gay or ur not. If I won an asston of money and couldn't get out of my commitment...I'd be very gay...very very very gay...It would have to involve alot of money. Short of that, I'm in for 30.  


Under DOD regs she can't serve, she violated policy and will have to pay back her money, the reg is very cut and dry.

[MCWAY]

We had a long talk about this while eating some shitty KBR food. It was decided that while we all enjoy lesbians...really enjoy lesbians, a standard is a standard. Further, part of any packet to discharge a Lesbian must have video..hours of video. That video must be widely viewed and a consensus must be reached in order to discharge. Lipstick lesbians, a rare bread will be allowed some leeway. If ur butch, ur sorta fucked. Gays on the other hand.....forgetaboutit.

In other words,
- Rachel Maddow? NO!
- Samantha Fox? Maybe?
- Perez Hilton.....IS YOU CRAZY???

She's full of shit...either ur gay or ur not. If I won an asston of money and couldn't get out of my commitment...I'd be very gay...very very very gay...It would have to involve alot of money. Short of that, I'm in for 30.  


Under DOD regs she can't serve, she violated policy and will have to pay back her money, the reg is very cut and dry.

Some people don't seem to get that, as shown by some of the comments on that JSOnline thread I linked.

And, just so certain bleeding hearts can't whine about military selective enforcement, Isaacson got a second chance, for heaven's sake. Colonel Yoder allowed her to rescind her formal letter, in which she declared herself lesbian, in order to keep her ROTC scholarship. I suspect that she pushed the issue, because she was perhaps headed your way (or somewhere else, where the bullets were flying).

[The Showstoppa]

If they did that, she'd have to serve for nearly a decade to pay that money back.

Perfect.

[headhuntersix]

Fuck u.....ok only if her girlfriend is hot and we all get to watch....

[MCWAY]

I hope they make her stay in and go to Iraq.

Gays are always bitching the law is wrong, we should let her be a test case.

If they did, it would probably be under the scenario I mentioned earlier. But, there'd be complaints about that.

[headhuntersix]

She can't serve......the regs are the regs. She violated the UCMJ and regardless of the what Barry does, she's fucked. I have no doubt that the shitbag n' chief will repeal DADT.....he might even make it retroactive for a period of time. He's asking for a monumental shitstorm that Dems won't easily recover from. Just wait...little johnny guy gets his head bashed in for hitting on his roommate....oh wait that happened!!!!

[Skip8282]

Fuck u.....ok only if her girlfriend is hot and we all get to watch....

There's an exception to every rule.  

[MCWAY]

She can't serve......the regs are the regs. She violated the UCMJ and regardless of the what Barry does, she's fucked. I have no doubt that the shitbag n' chief will repeal DADT.....he might even make it retroactive for a period of time. He's asking for a monumental shitstorm that Dems won't easily recover from. Just wait...little johnny #### gets his head bashed in for hitting on his roommate....oh wait that happened!!!!

He can't repeal it, alone. Legislation has to be passed, repealing the law. And in a few more months, Obama may kiss his Democratic House and Senate goodbye. The irony of it all is that it was a Dem-controlled House, Senate, and President that made DADT, in the first place.

Plus, after what just went down in these special elections, many Dems are fearing for their political lives. The LAST THING they need on their plate is this issue.

[Soul Crusher]

I wish they feared for their physical lives as well with the garbage they have pushed.  A few beatdowns and politicians getting KTFO'ed on the steps fo the capital would go a long way. 

[MCWAY]

I wish they feared for their physical lives as well with the garbage they have pushed.  A few beatdowns and politicians getting KTFO'ed on the steps fo the capital would go a long way. 

Let unemployment keep going up. You may get your wish.

As for this issue, it's an albatross that any Democrat, eager to save his hide, will avoid like the bubonic plague.

[headhuntersix]

I think we're going to get fucked on this. We've had two separate surveys that we've had to fill out...we all did. They're laying the ground work right now in the DOD. People are making statements etc. I think this is why Gates is stepping down but I can't be sure. He can't back the policy. Mullen is a gutless wuss and won't throw his stars down. It remains to be seen what the Marines will do. This isn't like 1994 when they tried it last time. Then there was a feeling that the issue was a non-starter. Now, people are trying to figure how this thing could ever work when they shove it down our throats..no homo.