Muscle Bound Strongman gets pwned by fat TapOut lop...

[clued-up]

Brock actually fights at over 270 pounds. He lasted 3 rounds with Herring. Marius was in the 250s? He lasted half a round. Mariusz is a lot more muscular. The guy is a world strong man champion many times over. He knows how to train and get in the best condition he can be in right? Dude is too muscular.

He was 270+ pounds of solid muscle.

I’ll stick by my original post -

To an extent. In Pudzianowski's case, his muscles are developed to such an extreme level that its detrimental to his gas tank. I don’t think a guy with that much muscle mass can build up the type of endurance needed for fighting. The muscle requires too much oxygen. He’d have to downsize if he wants to become a serious fighter.. not to mention, he needs to learn how to fight in the first place.

That huge mass is useless if you gas in under a minute. Huge muscular mass = bad endurance.

When you carry the muscle mass of two men, you cant expect your body to fuel all of that muscle mass with enough oxygen to fight, its not going to happen.

[tonymctones]

Brock actually fights at over 270 pounds. He lasted 3 rounds with Herring. Marius was in the 250s? He lasted half a round. Mariusz is a lot more muscular. The guy is a world strong man champion many times over. He knows how to train and get in the best condition he can be in right? Dude is too muscular.

LOL again being in shape and being in fighting shape are totally different especially when youre talking about grappling. Its hard to explain unless youve experienced it but those who have can vouche for it.

just b/c he had the conditioning to do wsm doesnt mean he has the conditioning to fight for 5 mins straight...

[subseven]

tonymctones and others,

why are you not accepting at least some part of MindSpin's argument, which is very true???

tonymctones keeps saying "it is possible to carry a lot of muscle and still have endurance", which others here are not denying. People are saying "yes up to a point".

Holyfiled and Lewis etc are terrible examples. They are not as muscle-bound, i.e. they do not have as much excess muscle for their frame as Pudz has. Pudz has put too much muscle on a short frame and his muscle/skeleton ratio brings new dynamics into play. In addition, most of Pudz's muscles are fast twitch, which makes them terrible for endurance.
There is a huuuge difference between competition lasting 1  minute and competition lasting 3 X 5 minute rounds. Pudz does the former and unless he completely remakes himself -which he doesn't have enough time to do- he will never last 3 X 5 minutes against someone like Sylvia.

and one idiot brought up football players?? LOL
are you guys for real? the big football players have terrible endurance. unless they rest every few minutes they literally collapse...

[#1 Klaus fan]

The best wrestler ever was the biggest, strongest and most muscular out of all wrestlers. You know who I'm talking aboot. 

[clued-up]

you mentioned leaness... .

again there are plenty of fighters that carry a great deal of muscle that have great endurance you would think that brock being as big as he is would have horrible endurance but he has decent endurance...

You keep saying that. Provide me with a single example of another fighter that has comparable muscle mass to Pudzianowski. So far you haven’t.

what about football players? unless that is the muscle football players have is different that the muscle pudz has?  some of those guys are every bit as big as pudz and still have great endurance...

LOL.. that is all.

[tonymctones]

tonymctones and others,

why are you not accepting at least some part of MindSpin's argument, which is very true???

tonymctones keeps saying "it is possible to carry a lot of muscle and still have endurance", which others here are not denying. People are saying "yes up to a point".

Holyfiled and Lewis etc are terrible examples. They are not as muscle-bound, i.e. they do not have as much excess muscle for their frame as Pudz has. Pudz has put too much muscle on a short frame and his muscle/skeleton ratio brings new dynamics into play. In addition, most of Pudz's muscles are fast twitch, which makes them terrible for endurance.
There is a huuuge difference between competition lasting 1  minute and competition lasting 3 X 5 minute rounds. Pudz does the former and unless he completely remakes himself -which he doesn't have enough time to do- he will never last 3 X 5 minutes against someone like Sylvia.

and one idiot brought up football players?? LOL
are you guys for real? the big football players have terrible endurance. unless they rest every few minutes they literally collapse...

I accept part of mindspins arguement but again its not as big a deal as he makes it out to be...I agree that having as much muscle as pudz does hampers his cardio but not to the extent that was seen in the fight...that my friend was just shit conditioning plain and simple....

and linebackers and some linemen carry a great amount of muscle an dstill have great endurance...certainly a shit load more than pudz

[#1 Klaus fan]

Seriously, the conditioning work strong men do isn't much, or it's not super intense. They are strength athletes above all.

[subseven]

"and linebackers and some linemen carry a great amount of muscle an dstill have great endurance...certainly a shit load more than pudz"

which 300 pound linebacker can grapple and kick and punch non-stop for 5 minutes (as Pudz did in the first round)

I don't think a single one of them can do this. Not one of them ever go 5 minutes non-stop in their training or in games

[tonymctones]

"and linebackers and some linemen carry a great amount of muscle an dstill have great endurance...certainly a shit load more than pudz"

which 300 pound linebacker can grapple and kick and punch non-stop for 5 minutes (as Pudz did in the first round)

I don't think a single one of them can do this. Not one of them ever go 5 minutes non-stop in their training or in games

what about linebackers? defensive linemen?

mario williams is supposedly 295 pretty lean and has good endurance...thats just one example.


just about any NFL linebacker is going to be 250ish and they have good endurance...

LOL again yes pudz muscle mass did hamper him to an extent but the main factor was his lack of conditioning not his muscle mass 

[MindSpin]

There you have it, folks.

Solve your conditioning problem, lose all your muscle.

all your muscle

[che]

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just about any NFL linebacker is going to be 250ish and they have good endurance...

No they don't

[body88]

what about linebackers? defensive linemen?

mario williams is supposedly 295 pretty lean and has good endurance...thats just one example.


just about any NFL linebacker is going to be 250ish and they have good endurance...

LOL again yes pudz muscle mass did hamper him to an extent but the main factor was his lack of conditioning not his muscle mass  

Mario Williams is like 6'5, which means 295 lean pounds fits his frame. You're comparing apples to watermelons on this one.

There are no NFL linebackers that are as big, lean, and as muscular as Pudz --(at the same height). Also, football plays require short bursts of energy multiple times, with ample rest time...(time outs, commercial breaks, huddles - etc).

You are starting to sound silly. Of course Pudz's mass has to do with his poor conditioning. To much mass puts a huge amount of strain on your heart and lungs. Lean or not, Pudz is carrying way more muscle than his organs are designed for.

[MindSpin]

There are is so much ignorance on this site.  Naturally big guys that have been training their whole lives in football, or wrestling, have developed the cardio they need to excell in their sports.  Yes, they have more muscle than the average guy, but not even Brock Lesnar is carrying around as much lean muscle as Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler or even 3rd tier pros like Chick.

Bodybuilders have unnaturally developed muscles and cannot have the cardio endurance and muscle stamina necessary to make it through 3 rounds in MMA.

Even Brock dropped about 30lbs to help improve his conditioning.  Guess what, Pudz also dropped over 20lns while working on his conditioning.  It wasn't enough.

Bottom line, big muscles require a lot more oxygen.  Think of it like car gas mileage.  A light compact car will go a lot further than a  heavy SUV, using the same fuel.

[tonymctones]

Mario Williams is like 6'5, which means 295 lean pounds fits his frame. You're comparing apples to watermelons on this one.

There are no NFL linebackers that are as big, lean, and as muscular as Pudz --(at the same height). Also, football plays require short bursts of energy multiple times, with ample rest time...(time outs, commercial breaks, huddles - etc).

You are starting to sound silly. Of course Pudz's mass has to do with his poor conditioning. To much mass puts a huge amount of strain on your heart and lungs. Lean or not, Pudz is carrying way more muscle than his organs are designed for.

so this is about the frame of the individual now as well? unless the muscle pudz has is different than the muscle others have or unless it uses oxygen different it shouldnt matter in mindspins theory...

what does leaness have to do with anything? again this is about muscle mass....

come on bro i know you watch enough football to know that these guys have to be able to keep up with offenses going no huddle etc...you have to agree that they have better endurance than pudz...

again im not arguing the point that excessive muscle mass can hamper your endurance and I agree that pudz is carrying around to much weight for his body but again that was not the case in pudz fight, that was a case of poor conditioning...

[body88]

so this is about the frame of the individual now as well? unless the muscle pudz has is different than the muscle others have or unless it uses oxygen different it shouldnt matter in mindspins theory...
No. it's about comparing Pudz (a guy who is carrying around way to much mass for his frame/organs)...to a 6'5 giant, that has organs designed to support the huge amount of mass that he is carrying.

what does leanness have to do with anything? again this is about muscle mass....
You're comparing Pudz to 300 lb dl's and also lb's who are muscularly much smaller than Pudz. It's not the same. If they do have comparable mass it's on a much larger frame (which means their organs are designed to carry the load).

come on bro i know you watch enough football to know that these guys have to be able to keep up with offenses going no huddle etc...you have to agree that they have better endurance than pudz...
Yes, but it's a totally different type of endurance...and that's not even taking into account sub packages, time outs, huddles, TV commercials, etc.


again I'm not arguing the point that excessive muscle mass can hamper your endurance and I agree that pudz is carrying around to much weight for his body but again that was not the case in pudz fight, that was a case of poor conditioning...
Which likely had to do with carrying way to much muscle mass.

[MCWAY]

Brock actually fights at over 270 pounds. He lasted 3 rounds with Herring. Marius was in the 250s? He lasted half a round. Mariusz is a lot more muscular. The guy is a world strong man champion many times over. He knows how to train and get in the best condition he can be in right? Dude is too muscular.

I thought the weight limit was 265. If you look at Lesnar's current physique, it looks a little weird. It as if he kept his pecs the same size as they were, during his WWE days, but shrunk his lats and arms.

[FREAKgeek]

You guys are allowing your visual prejudice to arrive at erroneous conclusions. A casual observation and dismissal on someone’s ability simply on grounds of muscularity is just being ignorant.

You can’t see conditioning. You are forgetting the fact that to supply the energy demands for several rounds in an MMA bout is an achievement for anyone, regardless of size. It is something that is trained for, that takes monumental effort, and not a given.

To quote an MMA conditioning authority, “How much energy you produce is the result of many things such as how much oxygen you can take in, how much blood your cardiovascular system can deliver to your muscles, how efficiently your muscles can use oxygen, how much energy substrate you have stored, how well developed your nervous system , etc. “

To make the assumption that Pud has hit the genetic wall, especially the fact that he’s relatively new to the sport and has fought only 3 times, is ridiculous to say the least.

[io856]

what about linebackers? defensive linemen?

mario williams is supposedly 295 pretty lean and has good endurance...thats just one example.


just about any NFL linebacker is going to be 250ish and they have good endurance...

LOL again yes pudz muscle mass did hamper him to an extent but the main factor was his lack of conditioning not his muscle mass 

 

[FREAKgeek]

Provide me with a single example of another fighter that has comparable muscle mass to Pudzianowski.

That doesn't justify anything. That's like saying you can't be a chess grandmaster if you're 8 feet tall, because there aren't any that are 8 feet tall. How many people can even get to a lean 270? You are already strictly limited to a small pool of people here, and assume they are champion MMA candidates to begin with.

[Silverback Gorilla]

Who cares??

I like to be big and jacked....I'm not concerned about being a tough guy or a good fighter. Question to everyone here who isn't 18-24 or a troublemaking penis........when's the last time you had a fight?

Senior your of HS, wasn't much of a fight really.  This kid pissed me off so I slapped the shit out of him and started chocking him lol.  I agree with you 100% although I do train Muay Thai and grapple, but that's only at work (I'm a Marine).  I'm too old to be worried about fighting someone, rather workout and chase pussy.