Muscle Bound Strongman gets pwned by fat TapOut lop...

[JOHN MATRIX]

in marius's defense, its not like he got beat by some small twink who had more 'skill', he got beat by a guy with vast experience, skilled, and HUGE. i mean Silvia is 6-8, probably close to 400 lbs, not many guys are gonna be able to dwarf marius and more or less neutralize his strength with vast bodyweight/size. add the fact that he was much more experienced and trained tipped it heavily in his favor

[Palpatine Q]

Again...who fucking cares ??

I must have clicked on the wrong link and i'm in a professional badass forum 

[LurkyLurker]

It's not like Sylvia wasn't the world champ, and a very skilled fighter. Give Mariusz Tim's skill set and it could have been a different outcome. Or not. Mariusz got gassed real early. He showed better stamina in the WSM contests. Then again, boards don't hit back...

[big14]

We have retards on Getbig that claim
strong guys like
Branch Warren can kick major ass.
TS just posted a hint to those
posters

BTW regarding Pudzi it was not only a cardio issue.
It is much more than that.

[dj181]

I'd like to see Pudz vs. Roy Jones Jr. when Roy was in his prime. Good Night Sweet Prince ;>

[musclepost]

Again...who fucking cares ??

I must have clicked on the wrong link and i'm in a professional badass forum 

All of us who follow the male beauty pageant scene think you're fabulous!

[~UN_$ung~]

Who cares??

I like to be big and jacked....I'm not concerned about being a tough guy or a good fighter. Question to everyone here who isn't 18-24 or a troublemaking penis........when's the last time you had a fight?

yeah honestly, who the fuck cares if you can win a fight, what is this highschool

fighting is useless anymore UNLESS you fight MMA or boxing......because everyone resorts to shooting or stabbing (or suing) anyway

having a good build is much more benificial and tangible in everyday life then being able to "grapple"



and overdeveloped muscles are not "useless"  , they are just useless in  a sport like MMA, just like they would be useless in auto racing..........overdeve loped muscles certainly are not useless in strenght sports like strongman and powerlifting, or football, or of course bodybuilding

everything in life is task-specific....that MMA fighters body certainly would be useless as a runner or cyclist....it all subjective.....the only thing NOT subjective is that being jacked rules and make you cooler then everyone else

[Cleanest Natural]

I enjoy having overdeveloped muscles?  Let's see, I weigh 210lbs, run 3-5 mies per day, mountain bike 10 miles in the weekend and train BJJ/sub wrestling 2-3 days week.  The only weight training I do is to increase explosiveness not muscle size.  So, my muscles are anything but "over developed"  

Also, please show me where I said Alistar will beat Fedor...I'm waiting

sounds like you are a very buff guy with very functional muscles 

[FREAKgeek]

Who cares??

I like to be big and jacked....I'm not concerned about being a tough guy or a good fighter. Question to everyone here who isn't 18-24 or a troublemaking penis........when's the last time you had a fight?

You're just bitter cause you have no intimidation factor with an MMA athlete, unlike with the neighbors and pizza delivery boys.

[MindSpin]

You gas primarily cause your aerobic pathway is underdeveloped, not cause you have too much muscle. Pudzy comes from anaerobic sports.

Unnecessary muscular weight can be a hindrance, but please, look at Tim. Let's not forget that Tim outweighed Pud by 30 lbs, you're telling me you're better off to have more fat? nonsense.

Sorry, but you're wrong.  Fat does not require oxygen.  Muscles do.  When you carry as much muscle as the average juiced up bodybuilder, you're going to to be huffing and puffing long before a fatty with strong cardio.

[MindSpin]

It's not like Sylvia wasn't the world champ, and a very skilled fighter. Give Mariusz Tim's skill set and it could have been a different outcome. Or not. Mariusz got gassed real early. He showed better stamina in the WSM contests. Then again, boards don't hit back...

Sylvia is a washed up fighter whose been on a serious loosing streak.  And, he weighed in at 308lbs of sloppy fat.  Mariusz was carrying a good 40-50 lbs of more muscle than Tim.  Tim fought a shitty fight.  Aside from stuffing the takedown, he did nothing.  Mariusz beat himself by completely gassing out and dropping to the ground on his own.

[FREAKgeek]

Sorry, but you're wrong.  Fat does not require oxygen.  Muscles do.  When you carry as much muscle as the average juiced up bodybuilder, you're going to to be huffing and puffing long before a fatty with strong cardio.

You're throwing too many variables around to make a meaningful comparison. It's interesting you included the word strong. What if the fatty didn't have strong cardio? Wouldn't it be a better comparison if he had similar cardio to justify your comparison?  The average juiced up bodybuilder doesn't train the aerobic pathway to any appreciable extent, they don't need to. And it's not like the fat ass gets a free ride. He has to lug around extra weight which means he has to work harder too.

[Mussolini]

You gas primarily cause your aerobic pathway is underdeveloped, not cause you have too much muscle. Pudzy comes from anaerobic sports.

Unnecessary muscular weight can be a hindrance, but please, look at Tim. Let's not forget that Tim outweighed Pud by 30 lbs, you're telling me you're better off to have more fat? nonsense.

Wrong on so many levels. As mindspin said and anyone with half a brain knows, muscle requires O2, so the more you have the faster you will gas. Thats why featherweights look as fresh in round 5 as they do in round 1.

[dj181]

True dat! Muscle does require oxegen for functioning, but fat is just extra useless weight that adds nothing to performance.

[MindSpin]

Actually, I think fat can add to performance.  Fat actually provides a cushion that ads "spring" to the muscles.  When you are very lean, you are weaker than when you are carrying around extra fat.  It's why fatter powerlifters are often stronger than more muscular bodybuilders. In MMA, fat also gives you extra weight that makes it harder for your opponent to throw you around.  You have to look no further than bif FAT Roy Nelson, dominating big MUSCULAR Kimbo Slice to see this in action.

BTW, what happened to the youtube button

[dj181]

You're right about that man, fat can sometimes be an aid to performance, and I stand corrected. I guess that my vainity just got the best of me, coz I keep remembering that muscles "pop out" much better at 7% bodyfat than they do at 12% :>

[tonymctones]

Sylvia is a washed up fighter whose been on a serious loosing streak.  And, he weighed in at 308lbs of sloppy fat.  Mariusz was carrying a good 40-50 lbs of more muscle than Tim.  Tim fought a shitty fight.  Aside from stuffing the takedown, he did nothing.  Mariusz beat himself by completely gassing out and dropping to the ground on his own.

which had little to nothing to do with his muscle...

if you dont train towards a goal then you dont make any progress in that area, its obvious that his training wasnt geared toward fighting endurance.

AGAIN there are many fighters who have carried a great deal of muscle but still had good endurance...

[FREAKgeek]

Actually, I think fat can add to performance.  Fat actually provides a cushion that ads "spring" to the muscles.  When you are very lean, you are weaker than when you are carrying around extra fat.  It's why fatter powerlifters are often stronger than more muscular bodybuilders. In MMA, fat also gives you extra weight that makes it harder for your opponent to throw you around.  You have to look no further than bif FAT Roy Nelson, dominating big MUSCULAR Kimbo Slice to see this in action.

Powerlifters are primarily stronger because they train for strength, they develop CNS adaptations from low rep heavy training that bodybuilders don't typically do. Fat may help in leverage due to restricting ROM but that's not as significant. Heavyweights don't need to make weight so they can eat all the shit they want to. Lighter guys that need to make weight are not hindered. I've seen 150 lbs guys squat 600. If you are too lean, diet too much, etc. yes you will lose strength cause you are in a state of catabolism but that's different.

Most MMA athletes try to minimize fat mass and stay in the lightest weight class possible. This is a more advantageous body composition.

[disturbia]

YOU are 44??

hahahahahahahahahahahaha haha...omg

just out of curiosity, what is funny about being 44----are you magically never going to be 44 one day---you make no sense

[FREAKgeek]

Wrong on so many levels. As mindspin said and anyone with half a brain knows, muscle requires O2, so the more you have the faster you will gas. Thats why featherweights look as fresh in round 5 as they do in round 1.

I am going to edit my response to you and just say it is much more complex on why someone "gases" and it's not a simple issue of just carrying too much muscle.

you can get started with this here : http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f13/how-finally-solve-your-conditioning-problem-788235/

[MindSpin]

I am going to edit my response to you and just say it is much more complex on why someone "gases" and it's not a simple issue of just carrying too much muscle.

you can get started with this here : http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f13/how-finally-solve-your-conditioning-problem-788235/

Obviously there are multiple variables that impact conditioning.  It just so happens to be that muscle mass is one of them.  There is no fucking way that a guy as big & lean as an IFBB pro, can have the conditioning needed to go three 5 minute rounds...UNLESS they lose a shitload of muscle.  Why do you think that there are NO 5'7" 260lbs heavyweights in the UFC?

[tonymctones]

LOL mindspin in your opinion was it his muscle mass or his lack training for stamina that lead to him being gased?

if you think it was his muscle mass, what do you say to other fighters who have carried a good amount of muscle but still have good stamina?

[FREAKgeek]

Obviously there are multiple variables that impact conditioning.  It just so happens to be that muscle mass is one of them.  There is no fucking way that a guy as big & lean as an IFBB pro, can have the conditioning needed to go three 5 minute rounds...UNLESS they lose a shitload of muscle.  Why do you think that there are NO 5'7" 260lbs heavyweights in the UFC?

Like you said, multiple variables. They haven't trained for the necessary cardiovascular adaptations that MMA demands. It takes years. Real changes in the heart and energy systems occur. Contest BB shape is exaggerated by being catabolic lean and dehydrated.
With all the stacking of drugs and prolonging esters they shoot, I doubt anyone can achieve such size and pass a drug test too.
The sport is still young, maybe we will see freak hybrids in the future . If you've noticed throughout the years, guys like Overeem, GSP, Koscheck, Hughes, Ortiz, all have improved their body compositions and look more like bodybuilders today when they first started out.

[che]

Actually, I think fat can add to performance.  Fat actually provides a cushion that ads "spring" to the muscles. 

Oh brother 

[#1 Klaus fan]

Powerlifters are primarily stronger because they train for strength, they develop CNS adaptations from low rep heavy training that bodybuilders don't typically do. Fat may help in leverage due to restricting ROM but that's not as significant. Heavyweights don't need to make weight so they can eat all the shit they want to. Lighter guys that need to make weight are not hindered. I've seen 150 lbs guys squat 600. If you are too lean, diet too much, etc. yes you will lose strength cause you are in a state of catabolism but that's different.

Most MMA athletes try to minimize fat mass and stay in the lightest weight class possible. This is a more advantageous body composition.

The CNS adaptation is overrated, most of the strength comes from hypertrophy. And you really didn't see that one.