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[Tapeworm]

People that bitch about over-training are not even close!!!!!

I train for 2-3 hours a day and I've never thought "oh my god, I'm over-training, I better back off"

Get in there and JUST LIFT weights like there is no tomorrow!

Some can, others are like me.  Training routines are like cowbow boots: One size doesn't fit all and most are way too ornate!

[Captain Equipoise]

Dogcrapp <------ is where it's at

[Palpatine Q]

knowing your body and figuring out what exercises, training style and intensity level is optimal for you is the name of the game. Mental intensity, mind muscle connection are the true tools to developing muscle.

Any dickhead can go in the gym and throw weights around.

[James Blunt]

I couldn't ever follow a set routine. I workout and wing it every time. When I do what I want in the moment it keeps my excitement to train high. In my six short years of training I've learned what works well.

[dj181]

Progressive overload IS the king, and all the rest of there aspects are merely lowly servents.

[devilsmile]

Progressive overload IS the king, and all the rest of there aspects are merely lowly servents.

this

[EL Mariachi]

If you can add weight or reps with a exercize there is no need for periodisation imo, the body cant adapt to this. sure you will have a couple of workouts where you cant add weight, the reason is probably diet/sleep, but this shouldnt be the reason to do mediocore workouts. if you hit a plateau with a vertain weight, you aint gonna pass it by using lower intensity routines, just pick another exercize get strong there, then try the one you had plateau with. i dont be;lieve in high reps unless its calves or forearms.

[EL Mariachi]

knowing your body and figuring out what exercises, training style and intensity level is optimal for you is the name of the game. Mental intensity, mind muscle connection are the true tools to developing muscle.

Any dickhead can go in the gym and throw weights around.

yes but it seems calves, quads and forearms need so much intensity to grow, if you dont have genetically wide bones on the forearms it seems impossible to make them look big, even in your case, they look very small, how hard do you train them?

[tbombz]

the idea here is progressive overload, combined with periodization.


this is an example


weeks 1-20 start with 100lbs for 10 reps on week1. by week 20 using 150lbs for 10 reps.

weeks 20-40 start with 200lbs for 3 reps on week 1. by week 20 using 300 lbs for 3 reps.

weeks 40-60 start with 140lbs for 10 reps on week 1. by week 20 using at least 160lbs for 10 reps.

weeks 60-80 start with 280lbs for 3 reps on week 1, by week 20 using at least 340lbs for 3 reps.




see how each time you return to a particular phase you must end up using more weight than you did at the end of the previous time you did that phase.

[NCNPC29]

the idea here is progressive overload, combined with periodization.


this is an example


weeks 1-20 start with 100lbs for 10 reps on week1. by week 20 using 150lbs for 10 reps.

weeks 20-40 start with 200lbs for 3 reps on week 1. by week 20 using 300 lbs for 3 reps.

weeks 40-60 start with 140lbs for 10 reps on week 1. by week 20 using at least 160lbs for 10 reps.

weeks 60-80 start with 280lbs for 3 reps on week 1, by week 20 using at least 340lbs for 3 reps.




see how each time you return to a particular phase you must end up using more weight than you did at the end of the previous time you did that phase.

You seem to like trueprotein.com. Do you or did you follow DC training and if so what was your experience/thoughts on it? I changed over to this training style for something different than what I had been doing the last few months and I'm interested to hear some feed back on anyone that's tried this method.

[dj181]

Just curious tbombz, do you think that it's possible for a mature adult male to actualize his full muscular potential within 1 year or less? When I say mature, I mean over 25 years old. I'm not trying to call ya out man, I'm just curious how you see it.

[BIG ACH]

You do?

I do 

Some can, others are like me.  Training routines are like cowbow boots: One size doesn't fit all and most are way too ornate!

I know what you mean, everyone is different, It takes me 2-3 hours to make solid gains, it takes you 1 hour to make solid gains.  Some of the most awesome bodybuilders I know train for only 45 mins. 

You missed my point, say for example you train for 1 hour, and you go balls to the wall, and you are just beat after your work out  (thats the same feeling I get after 2-3 hours).   
But you don't get to the 1 hour mark and go "oh no I'd better stop here because if I keep going I'm going to overtrain and become catabolic" - no you stop after 1 hour of training because you have completed your entire work out and have annihlated the muscle you were training and are exhausted!!

My point is that some people are beat after an hour of lifting, some are beat after 2 hours of lifting.... my problem is stopping too short because of various myths that you read in magazines.

Does that make sense?  Train until you tear down the muscle to the optimal levels - and that could be 45 mins, 1 hour, 2 hours, 3 hours..... but don't cut yourself short because "you don't want to overtrain"

[Tapeworm]

Ach, I can't train with both intensity and frequency.  Some guys can but I've found that I just break down after only a couple weeks.  My capacity for work far outpaces my capacity for recovery, so I just have to set limits for myself.  I simply can't train to what I would consider exhaustion every workout.  Some guys will know what I mean, and gifted guys like you and Ursus might not get it, but I've found through expeience that I will train myself into the ground otherwise.  I wish I could recover at the same rate I'm willing to train but it just doesn't happen.

I just try to be aware of weeks when I'm feeling fresh and I can push a little harder, and also recognize when it's time to back it off.

[Coach is Back!]

the idea here is progressive overload, combined with periodization.


this is an example


weeks 1-20 start with 100lbs for 10 reps on week1. by week 20 using 150lbs for 10 reps.

weeks 20-40 start with 200lbs for 3 reps on week 1. by week 20 using 300 lbs for 3 reps.

weeks 40-60 start with 140lbs for 10 reps on week 1. by week 20 using at least 160lbs for 10 reps.

weeks 60-80 start with 280lbs for 3 reps on week 1, by week 20 using at least 340lbs for 3 reps.




see how each time you return to a particular phase you must end up using more weight than you did at the end of the previous time you did that phase.

Am I to understand that these are 20 (TWENTY) week periodizations? Just checking!

[Tapeworm]

Not to be a dick Candy but you've been on for over two years now or something.  I've been on even just lightly and it's like night and day.  It's a good thread but it'll probably show what we already know, that what's too much for one guy isn't enough for another.

[EL Mariachi]

if you cant train hard all the time its better  to do 2 good workouts that week than 5 days halfassing it.
i mean whats the use of light workouts? you cant even maintain with it.
i think mentzer is right on the money with his approach, arnold did volume, but dont forget he too trained with lots of intensity

[Coach is Back!]

El Mariachi, you can't (or shouldn't ) go heavy week in and week out. Every 4th week we deload, if that wasn't done my athletes would be jacked up. Like I said, there is no such thing as a "perfect" routine. When designing a routine there are a ton things that need to be considered. You just can't slap routine together with random exercises and few compound movements and call it good.

[Palpatine Q]

yes but it seems calves, quads and forearms need so much intensity to grow, if you dont have genetically wide bones on the forearms it seems impossible to make them look big, even in your case, they look very small, how hard do you train them?

My forearms aren't small, what are you talking about?

[CalvinH]

Lift heavy,eat alot of good food,cheat meals every once in awhile,bang hot bitches frequently,and get drunk when the occasion calls for it.


nothing else to discuss

[JP_RC]

knowing your body and figuring out what exercises, training style and intensity level is optimal for you is the name of the game. Mental intensity, mind muscle connection are the true tools to developing muscle.

Any dickhead can go in the gym and throw weights around.

Progressive overload IS the king, and all the rest of there aspects are merely lowly servents.

I think this pretty much sums it all up. I don't see the point in discussing training so much anyway.

[BIG ACH]

Ach, I can't train with both intensity and frequency.  Some guys can but I've found that I just break down after only a couple weeks.  My capacity for work far outpaces my capacity for recovery, so I just have to set limits for myself.  I simply can't train to what I would consider exhaustion every workout.  Some guys will know what I mean, and gifted guys like you and Ursus might not get it, but I've found through expeience that I will train myself into the ground otherwise.  I wish I could recover at the same rate I'm willing to train but it just doesn't happen.

I just try to be aware of weeks when I'm feeling fresh and I can push a little harder, and also recognize when it's time to back it off.

Ok, makes sense, everyone is different for sure.  And I'm by no mean gifted, just how I've always done it!  You gotta do what works for you!