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This is going to get juicy. 


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Signs was a great movie.   Maybe you yourself should start seeing some of the signs myself and others have been posting about to what is going on 240.  No one spends $1,000,000 in legal fees to keep hidden what can be released for $5.

Then again, we are talking about the most economically illiterate president of all time so I guess anything is possible. 

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haha you know i agree there are a shitload of Qs about it.  I was, of course, delivering the common jpeg style you should expect when questioning anything the MSM (Yes, both FOX and msnbc as well) spews forth.

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This is going to get juicy. 



No it won't. This is such a DEAD issue. Unless you're part of the Orly "crazy" Taitz camp. ::)
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Signs was a great movie.   Maybe you yourself should start seeing some of the signs myself and others have been posting about to what is going on 240.  No one spends $1,000,000 in legal fees to keep hidden what can be released for $5.

Then again, we are talking about the most economically illiterate president of all time so I guess anything is possible.  

He's not economically Illiterate at all, he's actually an intelligent man.  However, my main issue with the Obama is, "who's he working for?" He's destroying the entire US economy deliberately on the behalf of "_____________".

However, they have been talking about this obama citizenship issue for what 3 years now. Nothing can be done now where any new findings will change anything..

I say there are better battles to fight 3378, don't waste you time on this one.


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He's not economically Illiterate at all



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The Obama Agenda: The Fall of America Through Orchestrated Crisis
David Horowitz's NewsRealBlog ^ | June 13, 2010 | Liz Blaine


Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:26:12 PM by callisto

Barack Obama and Congressional Democrats are deliberately and unapologetically engaging in economic sabotage; simultaneously targeting numerous sectors of the American economy using orchestrated systemic crisis in an effort to overwhelm the U.S. economy and effect the destruction of capitalism and America from within. By using the Cloward-Piven Strategy to promote economic and social change through the exploitation of misfortune, national crisis and disorganization the Left is advancing government as the tool for reorganization. The tactics and intended consequences of the Obama administration include:


Strategically planned “crises” to systematically takeover private industry.
Flooding government with impossible financial burdens until the debt becomes unsustainable.

Destruction of the middle class and sustained unemployment through “bailouts” and “stimulus” packages promoted as “revitalization of the American economy.”

Devastation of the housing and financial system through the continued requirement of subprime mortgages to low-income Americans who have little to no hope of repayment.

Expansion of federal powers over states and individuals.

Expansion of the powers of the Executive.

Overloading electoral systems with successive tidal waves of new voters.

Complete control over the media through “net neutrality” and the “reinvention of journalism“

Promoting social unrest and violence.

First promoted in 1966 by Marxist Columbia University professors Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, the Cloward-Piven Strategy seeks to hasten the destruction of capitalism in America by expanding the welfare system to the point of collapsing the economy and implementing socialism by nationalizing large sectors of private industry. In their Nation article, The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty, Cloward and Piven explicitly defined the kind of “crisis” they sought to create:

By crisis, we mean a publicly visible disruption in some institutional sphere. Crisis can occur spontaneously (e.g., riots) or as the intended result of tactics of demonstration and protest which....



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Sunday, June 13, 2010



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WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Hawaii elections clerk: Obama not born here
Official who oversaw ballots in 2008 race says hospital birth certificate non-existent

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Posted: June 10, 2010
3:39 am Eastern




By Joe Kovacs



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WorldNetDaily


A college instructor who worked as senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008 is making the stunning claim Barack Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii as the White House maintains, and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State.


Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for Honolulu, now teaches English at Western Kentucky University. 

"There is no birth certificate," said Tim Adams, a graduate assistant who teaches English at Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green, Ky. "It's like an open secret. There isn't one. Everyone in the government there knows this."

Adams, who says he's a Hillary Clinton supporter who ended up voting for John McCain when Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, told WND, "I managed the absentee-ballot office. It was my job to verify the voters' identity."

He says during the 2008 campaign when the issue of Obama's constitutional eligibility first arose, the elections office was inundated with requests to verify the birthplace of the U.S. senator from Illinois.

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"I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver's license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone's identity," Adams explained. "I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Obama]."

At the time, there were conflicting reports that Obama had been born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, as well as the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children across town. So Adams says his office checked with both facilities.

"They told us, 'We don't have a birth certificate for him,'" he said. "They told my supervisor, either by phone or by e-mail, neither one has a document that a doctor signed off on saying they were present at this man's birth."

To date, no Hawaiian hospital has provided documented confirmation that Obama was born at its facility.


Copy of original long-form birth certificate of Susan Nordyke, born in Honolulu the day after Obama's reported birthdate. President Obama has never produced any document like this


WND confirmed with Hawaiian officials that Adams was indeed working in their election offices during the last presidential election.

"His title was senior elections clerk in 2008," said Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the city and county of Honolulu.

Takahashi also confirmed Adams' time frame at the office from spring until the month of August.

"We hire temporary workers, because we're seasonal," he said.

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However, when WND asked Takahashi if the elections office could check on birth records, he said, "We don't have access to that kind of records. [There's] no access to birth records."

Adams responded, "They may say, 'We don't have access to that.' The regular workers don't, the ones processing ballots; but the people in administration do. I was the one overseeing the work of the people doing the balloting."

Adams stressed, "In my professional opinion, [Obama] definitely was not born in Hawaii. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he was not born in Hawaii because there is no legal record of him being born there. If someone called and asked about it, I could not tell them that person was born in the state."

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The White House has maintained a computer-generated Certification of Live Birth, or COLB, is proof enough of Obama's Hawaiian birth, even though it has no hospital or doctor's name on it. Such documents differ from a Certificate of Live Birth which includes those details. In response to a direct question from WND, the Hawaii Department of Health refused to authenticate either of the two versions of Obama's short-form COLB, posted online – neither the image produced by the Obama campaign nor the images released by FactCheck.org.


This short-form Certification of Live Birth image, which is not the same as a long-form, hospital-generated Certificate of Live Birth, was released by the Obama campaign June 2008.


"Anyone can get that [Certification of Live Birth]," said Adams. "They are normally given if you give birth at home or while traveling overseas. We have a lot of Asian population [in Hawaii]. It's quite common for people to come back and get that."

When WND mentioned there were announcements of Obama's birth published in Hawaiian newspapers, Adams noted, "I'm sure the [maternal] grandparents were happy to put that in the paper when he got born."

But Adams says that doesn't necessarily mean he was actually born in Hawaii. While he's not 100 percent sure of Obama's true birthplace, he does think Kenya is a possibility, since his paternal grandmother stated that before allegedly being silenced by other family members.


Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii 

Last month, as WND reported, Hawaii's Republican Gov. Linda Lingle reignited Obama's origin on a New York radio show.

"It's been an odd situation," Lingle said. "This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it's one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country.

"So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that's just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it's again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this."

Although the governor now claims she issued a news release stating Kapi'olani is Obama's birthplace, the actual release said no such thing, making no reference to Kapi'olani nor any other specific location of Obama's birth.

WND asked Adams why the governor would make such assertions if a Hawaiian hospital-generated birth certificate did not exist.

"Why would they say they've seen it and not produce it? I don't know," he said. "If they said they've seen the document, then why not produce the document? There's no need to put themselves out like that. I can't even begin to think why they did that except for some kind of political expediency. I'm too far down the totem pole [to know]."

While Adams, who noted he spent nearly 10 years in the islands and has a bachelor's degree from the University of Hawaii, says he's certain Obama was not born there, he also does think the president is indeed a U.S. citizen, since his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham was an American.

He says he merely would like to see the truth come out and have the controversy over natural-born citizenship and presidential eligibility resolved once and for all.

"It's come to the point where it's a monster, and it's time to kill it," Adams said. "Solve the problem so that everyone can get back to cooperating to improve the country. People have lost sight that we're trying to make the country a better place."

He also feels some empathy for Obama, foreseeing what the president would potentially experience based on confirmation of his claims.

"You don't have to like President Obama," he said, "but it is sad that he's going to have to go through this public pillory by the time this all comes out, that they did cover this up; and that's sad because the first African-American man to become president shouldn't have this blight on his term in office. That's what he'll get remembered for. It's sad."

Adams says he's been telling other people his information for a long time, and he's free to talk about it publicly since he no longer has any confidentiality restrictions from his former employer, the Honolulu government. People started to pay attention this week after he was briefly interviewed by James Edwards, host of a weekly radio show on WLRM Radio in Memphis, Tenn.

As WND reported last July, the Kapi'olani Medical Center trumpeted – then later concealed – a letter allegedly written by President Obama in which he ostensibly declares his birth at the facility.


A photograph taken by the Kapi'olani Medical Center for WND shows a letter allegedly written by President Obama on embossed White House stationery in which he declares the Honolulu hospital to be "the place of my birth," The hospital, after publicizing the letter then refusing to confirm it even existed, is now vouching for its authenticity, but not its content. The White House has yet to verify any aspect of the letter. 


"As a beneficiary of the excellence of Kapi'olani Medical Center – the place of my birth – I am pleased to add my voice to your chorus of supporters," Obama purportedly wrote.


This excerpt from the alleged Obama letter is perhaps the first formal declaration from the president about his exact birthplace. The White House has still not confirmed if the letter or its contents are authentic.
 


But the authenticity of that letter remains in doubt. Since WND raised questions about the veracity of the letter itself and its content, the White House has refused to say if the message is real and if its text originated with the president.

When WND correspondent Les Kinsolving asked Press Secretary Robert Gibbs about the letter at the July 13 news briefing, Gibbs dodged the question, refusing to confirm its authenticity while belittling Kinsolving for even posing the question.


Press Secretary Robert Gibbs refused to confirm the authenticity of the alleged Jan. 24, 2009, letter from President Obama to his purported place of birth, Kapi'olani Medical Center.
 

"Do all of your listeners and the listeners throughout this country the service to which any journalist owes those listeners, and that is the pursuit of the noble truth," Gibbs lectured Kinsolving. "And the noble truth is that the president was born in Hawaii, a state of the United States of America."

Since the medical center used the letter for a high-profile fundraising campaign in the Spring 2009 edition of its Inspire Magazine, the FBI and United States Secret Service said the matter could potentially lead to criminal prosecution were the letter determined to be fraudulent.

"It would be a charity-fraud scheme," said FBI spokesman Steve Kodak. "It would be investigated by us or the Secret Service. We both have jurisdiction over that."

WND also revealed the discovery by private investigators who say Obama is mysteriously using a Social Security Number that was issued in Connecticut, despite having worked in Hawaii as a teen and there being no mention of him living in Connecticut.

Meanwhile, Hawaii continues to get requests for release of Obama's hospital-generated birth certificate, leading state lawmakers to take action.

They passed a bill in April allowing any Hawaii department to ignore repeated inquiries for information from the same person, if the department already has responded within a year. Gov. Lingle signed it into law shortly after WND's report about her declaration on radio that Obama was born at Kapi'olani.


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"There is no birth certificate," said Tim Adams, a graduate assistant who teaches English at Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green, Ky. "It's like an open secret. There isn't one. Everyone in the government there knows this."

So, just to be clear.... 911 couldn't have been an inside job because there's no way you can keep the 200 or 400 people quiet who would be needed to make it happen.

JFK couldn't have been an inside job... no way you get dozens of people to keep such a secret.

But this secret.... EVERYONE taht works in hawaii's govt knows about it... but they're all staying silent... except this guy.


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So, just to be clear.... 911 couldn't have been an inside job because there's no way you can keep the 200 or 400 people quiet who would be needed to make it happen.

JFK couldn't have been an inside job... no way you get dozens of people to keep such a secret.

But this secret.... EVERYONE taht works in hawaii's govt knows about it... but they're all staying silent... except this guy.



Exactly.

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Not only that - but the entire article is based on the word of one man.
A grad assistant.  Teaching English.  In Kentucky.

Now - when thousands of phd physicists, scores of NYPD and FDNY, heaps of miltary and EMTs.... they've all said they have major Qs about 911 (they don't accuse anyone - but they do say we seriously need a new investigation)

When these thousands of people say there are enough Qs to warrant an investigation, it's mocked because "hey, there are plenty of physicists who DON'T feel this way".


So, by your logic... we can debunk this teaching assistant's word on everything - if we can only find a teaching assistant who disagrees.  And I bet you can't throw a rock at any university without hitting a teaching assistant with an Obama sticker on "his" hybrid "car" who mockes birthers as birdbrains.

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Not only that - but the entire article is based on the word of one man.
A grad assistant.  Teaching English.  In Kentucky.

Now - when thousands of phd physicists, scores of NYPD and FDNY, heaps of miltary and EMTs.... they've all said they have major Qs about 911 (they don't accuse anyone - but they do say we seriously need a new investigation)

When these thousands of people say there are enough Qs to warrant an investigation, it's mocked because "hey, there are plenty of physicists who DON'T feel this way".


So, by your logic... we can debunk this teaching assistant's word on everything - if we can only find a teaching assistant who disagrees.  And I bet you can't throw a rock at any university without hitting a teaching assistant with an Obama sticker on "his" hybrid "car" who mockes birthers as birdbrains.


Ok 240. 

1.  This guy held a position where he was privy to the information and said he talked to officials also with access to the relevent data.  Can you show me one ex govt official with direct access to pertinent data on 911 who has said "everyone in the govt knows it was an inside job" or "I spoke to so and so and so and so said that 911 was an inside job and thatt he govt is covering it up?" 

2.  There are maybe 10-50 people who would know this info not 200-400

3.  Per 911 - stop being a fucking douche and give me your CT that you believe to be true. 

4.  I have said from day 1 that I dont know what the truth is here, but it is definately odd that someone spends $1,000,000 to keep secret what can be readily produced for $5.  But this is Obama gain, so anything is possible.  Additionally, what has been put out so far in insultingly bad and ridiculous. 

5.  This is not a matter of experts debating each other.  This is a simple matter, Obama refuses to produce the long form BC.  My personal vbelief is that it shows he is a muslim and there is no subsequent record of baptism or his alleged conversion to Christianity which we all know is utter nonsense. 

 

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Start at 2:20  :o

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Palins' baby nonsense?   ::)

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Palin= Trigs grandmother

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If you want to discuss palins' baby - start a thread. 

Otherwise, get the hell out of this one.  240 and I are discussing the BC issue. 

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Lets expose BOTH !!!  ;)

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Lets expose BOTH !!!  ;)

Fine, start a seperate thread and we will discuss it. 

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I was addressing those ppl who prefer not to debate 911 - but those who poo-poo the possibility of a CT because, well, "there's no way that many people would be quiet" or "But I found an expert who disagrees!"

The same way the right has annointed popular mechanics as infallible saints in the 911 debate, they will give this kentucky teaching assistant the free pass because they LIKE his message.

IMO, BOTH the BC and 911 stink like week old fish, by the way.

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Don't Reptilians choose their place of birth?

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I was addressing those ppl who prefer not to debate 911 - but those who poo-poo the possibility of a CT because, well, "there's no way that many people would be quiet" or "But I found an expert who disagrees!"

The same way the right has annointed popular mechanics as infallible saints in the 911 debate, they will give this kentucky teaching assistant the free pass because they LIKE his message.

IMO, BOTH the BC and 911 stink like week old fish, by the way.

Its not so much the people keeping silent as much as it is the CT's that have been put forth defy common sense.  So again, give me your most plausible CT for 911.