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there. It was already known that americas real goal was the natural gas and oil and the pipeline that would bring this oil/gas to the Caspian sea. Now we find out that another of americas goals was to tap into this vast Gold, Silver, Copper, Lithium etc veins that were unknown up until now. America can not find the already dead Osama Bin Laden, but they have time to do geological surveys to discover mineral wealth??? Add to this america has decided to

Vast mineral deposits found in Afghanistan
Nearly $1 trillion in untapped resources could fundamentally alter economy



Tyler Hicks / The New York Times

A bleak Ghazni Province seems to offer little, but a Pentagon study says it may have among the world’s largest deposits of lithium.


updated 10:22 p.m. ET, Sun., June 13, 2010

WASHINGTON - The United States has discovered nearly $1 trillion in untapped mineral deposits in Afghanistan, far beyond any previously known reserves and enough to fundamentally alter the Afghan economy and perhaps the Afghan war itself, according to senior American government officials.

The previously unknown deposits — including huge veins of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and critical industrial metals like lithium — are so big and include so many minerals that are essential to modern industry that Afghanistan could eventually be transformed into one of the most important mining centers in the world, the United States officials believe.

An internal Pentagon memo, for example, states that Afghanistan could become the “Saudi Arabia of lithium,” a key raw material in the manufacture of batteries for laptops and Blackberries.

The vast scale of Afghanistan’s mineral wealth was discovered by a small team of Pentagon officials and American geologists. The Afghan government and President Hamid Karzai were recently briefed, American officials said.

'Stunning potential'
While it could take many years to develop a mining industry, the potential is so great that officials and executives in the industry believe it could attract heavy investment even before mines are profitable, providing the possibility of jobs that could distract from generations of war.

“There is stunning potential here,” Gen. David H. Petraeus, commander of the United States Central Command, said in an interview on Saturday. “There are a lot of ifs, of course, but I think potentially it is hugely significant.”

The value of the newly discovered mineral deposits dwarfs the size of Afghanistan’s existing war-bedraggled economy, which is based largely on opium production and narcotics trafficking as well as aid from the United States and other industrialized countries. Afghanistan’s gross domestic product is only about $12 billion.

“This will become the backbone of the Afghan economy,” said Jalil Jumriany, an adviser to the Afghan minister of mines.

American and Afghan officials agreed to discuss the mineral discoveries at a difficult moment in the war in Afghanistan. The American-led offensive in Marja in southern Afghanistan has achieved only limited gains. Meanwhile, charges of corruption and favoritism continue to plague the Karzai government, and Mr. Karzai seems increasingly embittered toward the White House.

So the Obama administration is hungry for some positive news to come out of Afghanistan. Yet the American officials also recognize that the mineral discoveries will almost certainly have a double-edged impact.

Corruption
Instead of bringing peace, the newfound mineral wealth could lead the Taliban to battle even more fiercely to regain control of the country.

The corruption that is already rampant in the Karzai government could also be amplified by the new wealth, particularly if a handful of well-connected oligarchs, some with personal ties to the president, gain control of the resources. Just last year, Afghanistan’s minister of mines was accused by American officials of accepting a $30 million bribe to award China the rights to develop its copper mine. The minister has since been replaced.

Endless fights could erupt between the central government in Kabul and provincial and tribal leaders in mineral-rich districts. Afghanistan has a national mining law, written with the help of advisers from the World Bank, but it has never faced a serious challenge.

“No one has tested that law; no one knows how it will stand up in a fight between the central government and the provinces,” observed Paul A. Brinkley, undersecretary of defense and leader of the Pentagon team that discovered the deposits.

At the same time, American officials fear resource-hungry China will try to dominate the development of Afghanistan’s mineral wealth, which could upset the United States, given its heavy investment in the region. After winning the bid for its Aynak copper mine in Logar Province, China clearly wants more, American officials said.

Another complication is that because Afghanistan has never had much heavy industry before, it has little or no history of environmental protection either. “The big question is, can this be developed in a responsible way, in a way that is environmentally and socially responsible?” Mr. Brinkley said. “No one knows how this will work.”

With virtually no mining industry or infrastructure in place today, it will take decades for Afghanistan to exploit its mineral wealth fully. “This is a country that has no mining culture,” said Jack Medlin, a geologist in the United States Geological Survey’s international affairs program. “They’ve had some small artisanal mines, but now there could be some very, very large mines that will require more than just a gold pan.”

The mineral deposits are scattered throughout the country, including in the southern and eastern regions along the border with Pakistan that have had some of the most intense combat in the American-led war against the Taliban insurgency.

, and technical data is being prepared to turn over to multinational mining companies and other potential foreign investors. The Pentagon is helping Afghan officials arrange to start seeking bids on mineral rights by next fall, officials said.

“The Ministry of Mines is not ready to handle this,” Mr. Brinkley said. “We are trying to help them get ready.”

Like much of the recent history of the country, the story of the discovery of Afghanistan’s mineral wealth is one of missed opportunities and the distractions of war.

In 2004, American geologists, sent to Afghanistan as part of a broader reconstruction effort, stumbled across an intriguing series of old charts and data at the library of the Afghan Geological Survey in Kabul that hinted at major mineral deposits in the country. They soon learned that the data had been collected by Soviet mining experts during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s, but cast aside when the Soviets withdrew in 1989.

'35 years of war'
During the chaos of the 1990s, when Afghanistan was mired in civil war and later ruled by the Taliban, a small group of Afghan geologists protected the charts by taking them home, and returned them to the Geological Survey’s library only after the American invasion and the ouster of the Taliban in 2001.

“There were maps, but the development did not take place, because you had 30 to 35 years of war,” said Ahmad Hujabre, an Afghan engineer who worked for the Ministry of Mines in the 1970s.

Armed with the old Russian charts, the United States Geological Survey began a series of aerial surveys of Afghanistan’s mineral resources in 2006, using advanced gravity and magnetic measuring equipment attached to an old Navy Orion P-3 aircraft that flew over about 70 percent of the country.

The data from those flights was so promising that in 2007, the geologists returned for an even more sophisticated study, using an old British bomber equipped with instruments that offered a three-dimensional profile of mineral deposits below the earth’s surface. It was the most comprehensive geologic survey of Afghanistan ever conducted.

The handful of American geologists who pored over the new data said the results were astonishing.

But the results gathered dust for two more years, ignored by officials in both the American and Afghan governments. In 2009, a Pentagon task force that had created business development programs in Iraq was transferred to Afghanistan, and came upon the geological data. Until then, no one besides the geologists had bothered to look at the information — and no one had sought to translate the technical data to measure the potential economic value of the mineral deposits.

Soon, the Pentagon business development task force brought in teams of American mining experts to validate the survey’s findings, and then briefed Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Mr. Karzai.

So far, the biggest mineral deposits discovered are of iron and copper, and the quantities are large enough to make Afghanistan a major world producer of both, United States officials said. Other finds include large deposits of niobium, a soft metal used in producing superconducting steel, rare earth elements and large gold deposits in Pashtun areas of southern Afghanistan.

Just this month, American geologists working with the Pentagon team have been conducting ground surveys on dry salt lakes in western Afghanistan where they believe there are large deposits of lithium. Pentagon officials said that their initial analysis at one location in Ghazni Province showed the potential for lithium deposits as large of those of Bolivia, which now has the world’s largest known lithium reserves.

For the geologists who are now scouring some of the most remote stretches of Afghanistan to complete the technical studies necessary before the international bidding process is begun, there is a growing sense that they are in the midst of one of the great discoveries of their careers.

“On the ground, it’s very, very, promising,” Mr. Medlin said. “Actually, it’s pretty amazing.”
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there. It was already known that americas real goal was the natural gas and oil and the pipeline that would bring this oil/gas to the Caspian sea. Now we find out that another of americas goals was to tap into this vast Gold, Silver, Copper, Lithium etc veins that were unknown up until now. America can not find the already dead Osama Bin Laden, but they have time to do geological surveys to discover mineral wealth??? Add to this america has decided to




Do you see the problem with your reasoning dumbass?  Is it clear enough or do I have to break it down?

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Do you see the problem with your reasoning dumbass?  Is it clear enough or do I have to break it down?

No skippy, but I see the problem with a DUMBASS like yourself....
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No skippy, but I see the problem with a DUMBASS like yourself....


If it was UNKNOWN, how could it have been one of our goals?  DIPSHIT.

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If it was UNKNOWN, how could it have been one of our goals?  DIPSHIT.

Oh my GOD ...people can not possibly be this dumb can they?


Go back and read the article again...then ask yourself...why the hell is america dispatching geological teams and has been surveying Afghanistan all of this time searching for these precious metals as well ass gas and oil instead of Osama. The gas and oil were always known to be there as they had been searched out years before. The talk of mineral riches amongst the Afghans sparked an interest in finding out if Gold, Silver, etc existed (ergo geologist doing surveys) now the motherload found?
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Oh my GOD ...people can not possibly be this dumb can they?


Go back and read the article again...then ask yourself...why the hell is america dispatching geological teams and has been surveying Afghanistan all of this time searching for these precious metals as well ass gas and oil instead of Osama. The gas and oil were always known to be there as they had been searched out years before. The talk of mineral riches amongst the Afghans sparked an interest in finding out if Gold, Silver, etc existed (ergo geologist doing surveys) now the motherload found?


Exactly, how can you possibly be so goddamn stupid.  Your claim was that " another of americas goals was to tap into this vast Gold, Silver, Copper, Lithium etc veins ", but you  AND the article state these deposits were unknown.

And yes, read your own article idiot.  "In 2004, American geologists, sent to Afghanistan as part of a broader reconstruction effort, stumbled across an intriguing series of old charts and data at the library of the Afghan Geological Survey in Kabul that hinted at major mineral deposits in the country."

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I heard this story on the morning news.

It wasn't that it was "unknown" before... it was just unknown to the general public.
Supposedly they've had the geological surveys for years, ...but "supposedly" someone one day put them all together and said Whoa! That was the story they fed us on the news anyway.
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Exactly, how can you possibly be so goddamn stupid.  Your claim was that " another of americas goals was to tap into this vast Gold, Silver, Copper, Lithium etc veins ", but you  AND the article state these deposits were unknown.

And yes, read your own article idiot.  "In 2004, American geologists, sent to Afghanistan as part of a broader reconstruction effort, stumbled across an intriguing series of old charts and data at the library of the Afghan Geological Survey in Kabul that hinted at major mineral deposits in the country."

So like I said...america did NOT go to Afghanistan for any FAKE ASS DEAD OSAMA they went for the GOLD, COPPER etc. How does a geologist supposedly stumble across mineral wealth of this sort when they were supposedly only there for reconstruction??? You american believe anything. I posted during the Haiti earthquake a company called Eurasian minerals which had found HUGE VEINS OF GOLD, SILVER, COPPER, IRON in Haiti. I said then that the reason all other nations arrived in Haiti with medical ships, personnel and equipment is because they came to help...america arrive with military war ships and weapons, because they came to seize the mineral wealth...just like in Afghanistan. Get to know your nation...
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So like I said...america did NOT go to Afghanistan for any FAKE ASS DEAD OSAMA they went for the GOLD, COPPER etc. How does a geologist supposedly stumble across mineral wealth of this sort when they were supposedly only there for reconstruction??? You american believe anything. I posted during the Haiti earthquake a company called Eurasian minerals which had found HUGE VEINS OF GOLD, SILVER, COPPER, IRON in Haiti. I said then that the reason all other nations arrived in Haiti with medical ships, personnel and equipment is because they came to help...america arrive with military war ships and weapons, because they came to seize the mineral wealth...just like in Afghanistan. Get to know your nation...



We went there in 2001.  The maps were found in 2004.  Do you have anything to show we knew of the mineral deposits prior to 01?  No, you're just making shit up.

First you point to your article, then when I point out to your dumb ass that the article doesn't back up your nonsense, you start rambling about CT and Haiti.  Try actually using your brain.  You might find it somewhat of a pleasant experience.

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Exactly, how can you possibly be so goddamn stupid.  Your claim was that " another of americas goals was to tap into this vast Gold, Silver, Copper, Lithium etc veins ", but you  AND the article state these deposits were unknown.

And yes, read your own article idiot.  "In 2004, American geologists, sent to Afghanistan as part of a broader reconstruction effort, stumbled across an intriguing series of old charts and data at the library of the Afghan Geological Survey in Kabul that hinted at major mineral deposits in the country."

Skip - you are stupid. Wake up can't you read between the lines?? Jesus Christ George Orwell had you in mind when he wrote Animal Farm.

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Look at all the tinfoil hat retards, with their combined IQ of 64, acting like we set up this entire war for $908 billion worth of minerals. We've already spent more than that over there. Brilliant planning and logic.  ::)

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If it involves the US you just KNOW it's evil....

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Having actually been there, it will be a long time before we can get any of that shit out. But SAMSON you tell us bud, ur the expert.  ::)
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kinda stupid to release this info, no?

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kinda stupid to release this info, no?

some ppl think the timing was set to keep the UK population interested in the war as the BP backlash is leading to polls showing brutal US backlash resulting in plummeting war support.

Ya know... why leave... lots of $$ to be made if we stay... etc.

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some ppl think the timing was set to keep the UK population interested in the war as the BP backlash is leading to polls showing brutal US backlash resulting in plummeting war support.

Ya know... why leave... lots of $$ to be made if we stay... etc.

When you think about it, it's not really a lot of money. From a simplistic point of view, taking into account that it will probably take decades to completely mine out, the costs of mining it out, getting the companies in there, etc, etc and $908 billion worth of minerals really doesn't look that impressive.

It's not like the first year of mining will harvest 100% of those mineral deposits.

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see, I dont think the dollar value is what makes it so sexy.

Rather, some of the minerals might be in short supply by the time it can be mined. 

china is buying up as much raw materials as it can.  Money comes and goes - we can print that.  But with a world population heading for 8, 10, 12 billion in the coming decades, those minerals will be worth a lot more than a trillion in the future.

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see, I dont think the dollar value is what makes it so sexy.

Rather, some of the minerals might be in short supply by the time it can be mined. 

china is buying up as much raw materials as it can.  Money comes and goes - we can print that.  But with a world population heading for 8, 10, 12 billion in the coming decades, those minerals will be worth a lot more than a trillion in the future.

Yeah, I think the excitement doesn't necessarily come from the current dollar value of what's in the ground, but the fact that it's a game changer. Afghanistan now has important regional leverage.

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yeah, we can print a trillion in an afternoon without blinking.

But lots of square miles of precious resources?  Some serious value there.  Can't print that. 

We'll be there forever.  There were some children here who really thought we'd be leaving.  Nope.  bases forever.  Oil, pipelines, gas, strategic location... shit, we'll be there 200 years fellahs.