Layne Norton 16 weeks out

[saucetradomous]

At least he is honest, 185 at 8-9% ain't so bad, the best I could do was 168 at 8-9% and I'm 5'11" of course I NEVER REALLY EVER trained my legs so very hard.

185 at 8% is pretty good and realistic but does that mean noone could be better?

[kevinf]

my younger brother is bigger and stronger than norton without drugs...

i guess that proves it..

[Krankenstein]

I am completely serious.
What I find funny is all these 'lifetime naturals' who would therefore have very little to no knowledge of drug interactions in the body disputing the points that those of us with extensive knowledge of steroid use point out.  Seriously, the guy has blatent moon face which is a tell tale sign but all the naturals just brush it off like they know anything.

Oh and for the record because some of u want wanna act like know it alls, perhaps I should change my sig to something like 'i used to compete, probably had a bigger and better physique than 99% of this board, I've posted pics and a few people here know who I am.  

I dont know who you are....nor do you know who I am.  All I can say is that I have done 2 bottles of PH's in my life (back in early/mid 90's).  I compete (or should I say soon to be used to compete) in the WNBF and hit the stage about 185 - 190.  I posted some precontest pics and was called out like I was pushing enough shit into me to compete at Jr. Nationals.  I understand your comment about the naturals disputing points about interactions....but how about those who have chosen to go the drug route with only 4yrs training (or less)...telling someone who hasnt done shit and has done it for 10+ yrs (20+ in my case) what can be done and cant be done without being on the shit.

You may have a better body than 99% of the board...great....but what does that have to do with you being able to definitively say Layne is running a cycle here and there?  Hell, this old man just did 445 convention dead for 5...just belt, followed by 15 reps with 355.  I havent gone to the 'dark side', maybe I will, maybe I wont.  But again, to say Layne is...really isnt giving him credit.  Funny how so many will say "it isnt worth it to eat clean and go the natural route.....I can eat like shit now and run a cycle and look better".  Sure you can....but for some the small...no...VERY small gains you make as a natural are worth it. 

I know...I know....epic/brutal/nuclear/etc etc meltdown.

[gh15]

true natural numbers = 165lb 6% 5'10 on stage,,5'7 150lb 6% on stage,,6'2 195 6% on stage,, those are natural numbers my friends,,

when you walk on stage 197lb 6 feet 4% you been hormone addict for a long long time my friend,,

and thats the buttom line,,last SUPER HEAVY weight in nationals that i worked with as in both training and training with mesured quads at 28.25 inches,,he is 6'1 a alot better genetic respond than this liar tsalked about in this thread,,

you can train 5 years 10 20 and 30 you will never see the numbers he push nor will you see the mesurments he poses unless y uo are hormonized and consistant in hormonizing yourself

i haev the following of thousands,,i state the truth ,,i state it clear ,,and i state it loud,,
im never wrong,,for i am gh15


gh15 approved

[gh15]

Shut the fuck up you retarded enigma.

oh look who woke up,,the african beast,,

[Krankenstein]

true natural numbers = 165lb 6% 5'10 on stage,,5'7 150lb 6% on stage,,6'2 195 6% on stage,, those are natural numbers my friends,,

when you walk on stage 197lb 6 feet 4% you been hormone addict for a long long time my friend,,

and thats the buttom line,,last SUPER HEAVY weight in nationals that i worked with as in both training and training with mesured quads at 28.25 inches,,he is 6'1 a alot better genetic respond than this liar tsalked about in this thread,,

you can train 5 years 10 20 and 30 you will never see the numbers he push nor will you see the mesurments he poses unless y uo are hormonized and consistant in hormonizing yourself

i haev the following of thousands,,i state the truth ,,i state it clear ,,and i state it loud,,
im never wrong,,for i am gh15


gh15 approved

Hey junkie/dealer/G4P-er......I am on stage at 5'9 (maybe 1/2) at 185 - 190.......you went the route you did...Layne is doing his...I am doing mine.  Give it up, your shtick is tiresome and boring.  Your jealousy is so tangible we could bottle it.  Go screw someone over for a shipment.....steal money from people to fund your own usage.  Just admit you couldnt hack the pressure of training without drugs and not making the gains your "friends" at the gym were making.  Dont you have a schmoe to service?  GH1567765167576159696256 727527652 sodomized.

DF4L approved.....

[buffdnet]

i haev the following of thousands,,i state the truth ,,i state it clear ,,and i state it loud,,
im never wrong,,for i am gh15

and i have your ip from more than one thread and
I state the truth, fuck your following, told old to ever be wrong
for I am buffdnet lmop and you are not quite who you suggest.
now are ya

[buffdnet]

assclowns natural numbers are correct but anyone who competes
knows this cuz we have lived it. guys who are bigger/heavier are
wnbf, nga pros. rest of us can't even begin to compete against that
class of bodybuilder let alone npc type drug users,
felony drugs users.
my bad

[gh15]

Hey junkie/dealer/G4P-er......I am on stage at 5'9 (maybe 1/2) at 185 - 190.......you went the route you did...Layne is doing his...I am doing mine.  Give it up, your shtick is tiresome and boring.  Your jealousy is so tangible we could bottle it.  Go screw someone over for a shipment.....steal money from people to fund your own usage.  Just admit you couldnt hack the pressure of training without drugs and not making the gains your "friends" at the gym were making.  Dont you have a schmoe to service?  GH1567765167576159696256 727527652 sodomized.

DF4L approved.....

it has nothnig to do with jelousy it has a lot to do with the truth ,,i actuaklly won a show naturally before i went on hormones ,,and i won it fair and quare ,,later on i went on hormones and the rest is history,,since then bodybuilding gave me very good life including lots of contracts so im happy with what i achieved,,norton on the other hand built himself on lies and still wont make a buck out of bodybuilding mark my words,,

the reasonyou see most of bodybuilders shut up and not adding their  cents on this thread is because they know god of hormones is right,,

gh15 aproved

[gh15]

and i have your ip from more than one thread and
I state the truth, fuck your following, told old to ever be wrong
for I am buffdnet lmop and you are not quite who you suggest.
now are ya

no one had my ip because gh15 wor kfrom wirless stations hooked to diff people around the world,,it can be in usa ,,euroope,,masked ips sometimes too depend on the lap top that is used,,ther gh15 identity is secured forever ,,

gh15 approved

[WillGrant]

oh look who woke up,,the african beast,,

[TacoBell]

I dont know who you are....nor do you know who I am.  All I can say is that I have done 2 bottles of PH's in my life (back in early/mid 90's).  I compete (or should I say soon to be used to compete) in the WNBF and hit the stage about 185 - 190.  I posted some precontest pics and was called out like I was pushing enough shit into me to compete at Jr. Nationals.  I understand your comment about the naturals disputing points about interactions....but how about those who have chosen to go the drug route with only 4yrs training (or less)...telling someone who hasnt done shit and has done it for 10+ yrs (20+ in my case) what can be done and cant be done without being on the shit.

You may have a better body than 99% of the board...great....but what does that have to do with you being able to definitively say Layne is running a cycle here and there?  Hell, this old man just did 445 convention
 dead for 5...just belt, followed by 15 reps with 355.  I havent gone to the 'dark side', maybe I will, maybe I wont.  But again, to say Layne is...really isnt giving him credit.  Funny how so many will say "it isnt worth it to eat clean and go the natural route.....I can eat like shit now and run a cycle and look better".  Sure you can....but for some the small...no...VERY small gains you make as a natural are worth it.  

I know...I know....epic/brutal/nuclear/etc etc meltdown.

Bro, I am not going to dispute what is possible for naturals because in fact I do believe that much much more is possible than what most here are willing to give credit for.  I'm not anti natural, and I most certainly believe that there are very strong natural people, and very gifted natural physiques.  I am not going to doubt that you are natural because you look like you are using in a pic or two.  And I really hate playing the I'm a big guy card cause I'm not trying to be gh15, and that comment really wasn't directed at you or anything.


What I am saying, is that in being a part of the bodybuilding scene for quite some time now, having worked at expos, having seen layne at numerous points in time, having watched him post pics this that and the other, I believe quite firmly that he uses or has used compounds at various points in time over his career.  
Is anyone gonna know for sure other than him? Of course not.  But do I believe we are talking about a guy who is smart enough to know that despite his passion, he does not have the genetics to be a player in the bbing world if he is not able to carve out an niche for himself, which he has done, and probably makes a decent living off of, if nothing more than to support his passion for his life style.  So again, I don't think lain uses because you take one look at the guy and see a physique which you can't imagine is possible without the use of juice, it's a culmination of a lot of other things, which isn't to say that I don't think you can look at various pics of him and tell when he is likely on vs when he is likely not....

[Aerian]

Not sure you understand the difference between a juiced physique and a natural one.  

You can have two bodybuilders that have the same weight, BF%, structure, height, etc.  However, if one is juiced and the other is not, they will look VERY different.

Someone on gear has a harder, rounder look.

There is no doubt in my mind that this Layne charachter is sauced up.  Not because he has some ungodly amount of muscle (he doesn't) or because he has attained Munzer like conditioning (he hasn't).  He has the juice look.  Plain and simple.

Oh, i sure do.  Been following bodybuilding since Haneys days and and working out just as long.

I also said above, that he could be sauced, but no where near what a IFBB pro or even a NPC competitor is this day and age.  I just dont see it in his physique, and if he is, then  he responds horribly.

He looks to me, like a person who has worked out very hard for what he has gotten and probably done a few cycles from time to time but nothing too crazy. 

[Aerian]

My originally comment wasn't direct individually at you but anyone who picks and chooses what is truth and lie.  The general thought is "if someone lies about one thing they'll lie about another" People lie about there height and weight all the time, you tell me what's to gain from it. 
btw(I'm not disagreeing with the height you've given)

Truth is Layne's physique is alright but nothing special.  He's tall and gangly looking, he's got a long torso and high lats, relatively no thickness and I don't really need to mention the legs.  If you believe that is only achievable with drug use so be it but I would disagree.  The only thing that makes Layne so talked about is the fact that he's out there making videos and writing articles for bb.com.  If he wasnt so marketable he would just be another unknown bodybuilder with a decent natural physique.

100% agree.  If i really worked out for a long period of time and did cycle after cycle, i sure would hope i would look better then what i see in Laynes physique.

[Aerian]

just the way his insertion blow up,,look at hwo high the pecs start,,look at the swole and fulness of trap,,look at the water hels in the tie ins between arm and delt and overall body oiliness and glowing,,this right here is a hormonized lifter any tmie of year of season on season in between that guy cant lift his cock up to fuck with out hormones,,only thing is they are short esters

this is not only alifter who played with halodrol which is strong dfrug ,,its a lifter who is on constant use of hormones for years
gh15 approved

To say all of that, based on the pic you had above, is pretty sad imo.  I really would like to see a real pic of half the guys in this thread.  Probably all under 21 or fat ass never done anything 30somthings.

[Master Blaster]

Hey junkie/dealer/G4P-er......I am on stage at 5'9 (maybe 1/2) at 185 - 190.......you went the route you did...Layne is doing his...I am doing mine.  Give it up, your shtick is tiresome and boring.  Your jealousy is so tangible we could bottle it.  Go screw someone over for a shipment.....steal money from people to fund your own usage.  Just admit you couldnt hack the pressure of training without drugs and not making the gains your "friends" at the gym were making.  Dont you have a schmoe to service?  GH1567765167576159696256 727527652 sodomized.

DF4L approved.....

This is what "drug free" looks like.

HTH 

[dustin]

and i have your ip from more than one thread and
I state the truth, fuck your following, told old to ever be wrong
for I am buffdnet lmop and you are not quite who you suggest.
now are ya

Hey fag, its not 1996 anymore and no one gives a flying fuck if you have their IP address.

PS. Layne looks like dog shit, he uses drugs, responds poorly and downplayed his drug use like 90% of other drug users. In Layne's case he flat out denies it though. Lying about doses is something you must always anticipate, but flat out denial gets you in the big book of complete and utter trash. Lying is something I can't stand, especially when he's exploiting the dolts who haven't realized that their idol is more than creatine monohydrate and fish oil supplements.

[disco_stu]

Hey junkie/dealer/G4P-er......I am on stage at 5'9 (maybe 1/2) at 185 - 190.......you went the route you did...Layne is doing his...I am doing mine.  Give it up, your shtick is tiresome and boring.  Your jealousy is so tangible we could bottle it.  Go screw someone over for a shipment.....steal money from people to fund your own usage.  Just admit you couldnt hack the pressure of training without drugs and not making the gains your "friends" at the gym were making.  Dont you have a schmoe to service?  GH1567765167576159696256 727527652 sodomized.

DF4L approved.....

im with you mate. gh15 is a junkie/dealer and always reckons  naturals are smaller than many of the guys ive seen who are absolutely without doubt naturals.

heck we have footballers who are 5'10" and 200lbs with less than 10% bfat and they train for stamina.

and completely natural for life.

i personally know guys that are 200lb+ at 5'10" in competition bfat..and loads of guys who dont compete but are around 10%bfat hitting the scales at 100kg or more.

gh15 has NEVER tried it drug free, so its convenient for him to say it isnt possible to rationalise his drug use and make him feel better.

[Krankenstein]

Bro, I am not going to dispute what is possible for naturals because in fact I do believe that much much more is possible than what most here are willing to give credit for.  I'm not anti natural, and I most certainly believe that there are very strong natural people, and very gifted natural physiques.  I am not going to doubt that you are natural because you look like you are using in a pic or two.  And I really hate playing the I'm a big guy card cause I'm not trying to be gh15, and that comment really wasn't directed at you or anything.


What I am saying, is that in being a part of the bodybuilding scene for quite some time now, having worked at expos, having seen layne at numerous points in time, having watched him post pics this that and the other, I believe quite firmly that he uses or has used compounds at various points in time over his career.  
Is anyone gonna know for sure other than him? Of course not.  But do I believe we are talking about a guy who is smart enough to know that despite his passion, he does not have the genetics to be a player in the bbing world if he is not able to carve out an niche for himself, which he has done, and probably makes a decent living off of, if nothing more than to support his passion for his life style.  So again, I don't think lain uses because you take one look at the guy and see a physique which you can't imagine is possible without the use of juice, it's a culmination of a lot of other things, which isn't to say that I don't think you can look at various pics of him and tell when he is likely on vs when he is likely not....

Fair enough....I wasnt pissed at you....in fact, when guys like you admit they use...and say going the natural route is not worth it....I have no problem with it.  All I can say is that I have seen Layne...I have spoke with him...I have seen what he gives back (without doing the same old tiresome routine of "eat 6 egg whites with 1/2 cup oatmeal for meal #1").  He answers a shit ton of questions...he has done his time with regard to education....as well as gym time.  He admits his 'shortcomings' when it comes to his physique.  He loves bodybuilding, which is more than can be said for a lot around here.  Really track his progress from many, many years ago when he first came around...till now.  Is that really someone who uses?  I know what I have done, and he puts in a lot more work than I do...so I dont find it hard to believe and accept his status.

As for GH-G4P.....he should admit that he is just another scum bag dealing-schmoe loving-IFBB pro.

Believe me...I was happy the day I "woke up" and realized that no matter what Weider/MD/MI principle/training routine/supplement I use...I will never achieve what IFBB pro's (or national level NPC competitors) look like.

[saucetradomous]

i haev the following of thousands,,i state the truth ,,i state it clear ,,and i state it loud,,
im never wrong,,for i am gh15


gh15 approved

haha Keep telling yourself that. Layne built his career on lies you say and you built yours on an internet forum gimmick, Hows that working out for you?

[Krankenstein]

haha Keep telling yourself that. Layne built his career on lies you say and you built yours on an internet forum gimmick, Hows that working out for you?

Brutal truth right there....GHG4P....."alleged" IFBB pro.....martian hunter.....drug dealer....what else am I missing?

[TacoBell]

Fair enough....I wasnt pissed at you....in fact, when guys like you admit they use...and say going the natural route is not worth it....I have no problem with it.  All I can say is that I have seen Layne...I have spoke with him...I have seen what he gives back (without doing the same old tiresome routine of "eat 6 egg whites with 1/2 cup oatmeal for meal #1").  He answers a shit ton of questions...he has done his time with regard to education....as well as gym time.  He admits his 'shortcomings' when it comes to his physique.  He loves bodybuilding, which is more than can be said for a lot around here.  Really track his progress from many, many years ago when he first came around...till now.  Is that really someone who uses?  I know what I have done, and he puts in a lot more work than I do...so I dont find it hard to believe and accept his status.

As for GH-G4P.....he should admit that he is just another scum bag dealing-schmoe loving-IFBB pro.

Believe me...I was happy the day I "woke up" and realized that no matter what Weider/MD/MI principle/training routine/supplement I use...I will never achieve what IFBB pro's (or national level NPC competitors) look like.

Honestly I go one step further and say I wish I stayed natural longer.  I hopped on way too early because the influences I had made me believe it was the logical next step and the right time to do so.  I had good genetics and responded well to training so it was like shit hop on the sauce and get on stage.  Once I crossed that line and stayed on the dark side for a few years, well there was no going back, no training natty, and no desire to train when off.  Then of course I wind up disliking competitive bbing and then it's like shit where do I go now....

[gh15]

no one trains when off,,no one lift heavy weihts when off,,no one has the reason to do so when off,,the whooe purpose in bodybuilding is to impress people its a cult A CULT its not a sport per say and we do it to impress and to look uniqe and the best we can ,,,looking healthy is where fitness is ,,bodybuilders are all on hormones no matter what lie they tell yo uto your face,,we are all on them,,most americano bodybuilders arer known to be liars MOST not all ,,but most americano bodybuilders live in fear ,,their girls wont date them if they admit to use,,they will be seen as cheaters in the eyes ofother americanos,,you need to tunderstand that in the american society the idea is ...first achieve something and if you have done so and made us happy and let us sit with our 10 pound burger and chilli dog and let us drink beer while seeing you win something in sports,,then you can admit to using and we will still love yuo ,,thats just how americanos are ,,its generational thing,,its just fucked up people now days,,but hey they are 300million so y uocant fight it ,,,what do you do ? you join it!

get it in yoru head kids ,,all athletes are on drugs ALL including golf ,,all of us try to find the easiest way to be the best,,all of us,,BUT! the absolut worst thing is to lie,,liars do not go far,,,there is lie and then there is LIE,,,a liar like norton will pay the price one day,,he will,,he will need a kidny or something he will pay price dont worry and then as usualleveryone will come here and say PRAISE GOD PRAISE GH15 FOR HE IS GOD ,,youre like sheep my friends,,few of you know what they talk about ,,rest of the kids here have no clue and the worst are the ones who dont have a clue still use AND LIE about it ,,they are the ones who live in compete denialand they are the core of generation nothingness

read the bible i wrote for you during the years mabe you will wize up

gh15 approved

[Aerian]

no one trains when off,,no one lift heavy weihts when off,,no one has the reason to do so when off,,the whooe purpose in bodybuilding is to impress people its a cult A CULT its not a sport per say and we do it to impress and to look uniqe and the best we can ,,,looking healthy is where fitness is ,,bodybuilders are all on hormones no matter what lie they tell yo uto your face,,we are all on them,,most americano bodybuilders arer known to be liars MOST not all ,,but most americano bodybuilders live in fear ,,their girls wont date them if they admit to use,,they will be seen as cheaters in the eyes ofother americanos,,you need to tunderstand that in the american society the idea is ...first achieve something and if you have done so and made us happy and let us sit with our 10 pound burger and chilli dog and let us drink beer while seeing you win something in sports,,then you can admit to using and we will still love yuo ,,thats just how americanos are ,,its generational thing,,its just fucked up people now days,,but hey they are 300million so y uocant fight it ,,,what do you do ? you join it!

get it in yoru head kids ,,all athletes are on drugs ALL including golf ,,all of us try to find the easiest way to be the best,,all of us,,BUT! the absolut worst thing is to lie,,liars do not go far,,,there is lie and then there is LIE,,,a liar like norton will pay the price one day,,he will,,he will need a kidny or something he will pay price dont worry and then as usualleveryone will come here and say PRAISE GOD PRAISE GH15 FOR HE IS GOD ,,youre like sheep my friends,,few of you know what they talk about ,,rest of the kids here have no clue and the worst are the ones who dont have a clue still use AND LIE about it ,,they are the ones who live in compete denialand they are the core of generation nothingness

read the bible i wrote for you during the years mabe you will wize up

gh15 approved

Wow.  I feel sad for you and the world you live in... 

[Krankenstein]

no one trains when off,,no one lift heavy weihts when off,,no one has the reason to do so when off

I have never been on...so, is my 445 x 5 at 41y/o not lifting heavy?  Was my 565x1 about 10yrs ago (never being 'on') light?

the whooe purpose in bodybuilding is to impress people its a cult A CULT its not a sport per say and we do it to impress and to look uniqe and the best we can ,,,looking healthy is where fitness is

Wow...guess what....you actually said something worthwhile!!!!

bodybuilders are all on hormones no matter what lie they tell yo uto your face,,we are all on them,,most americano bodybuilders arer known to be liars MOST not all ,,but most americano bodybuilders live in fear ,,their girls wont date them if they admit to use,,they will be seen as cheaters in the eyes ofother americanos,,you need to tunderstand that in the american society the idea is ...first achieve something and if you have done so and made us happy and let us sit with our 10 pound burger and chilli dog and let us drink beer while seeing you win something in sports,,then you can admit to using and we will still love yuo ,,thats just how americanos are ,,its generational thing,,its just fucked up people now days,,but hey they are 300million so y uocant fight it ,,,what do you do ? you join it!

Blah Blah Blah...I never went on because I never wanted to...plain and simple.  I always said, once I am done with bodybuilding MAYBE...just MAYBE I will do something.  Will I compete...FUCK NO.  You are a sad pathetic person who probably got owned so badly by someone NOT on drugs that your bitch ass jumped on them to "show them you are better".  Did I get it right?

the absolut worst thing is to lie,,liars do not go far,,,there is lie and then there is LIE,,,a liar like norton will pay the price one day,,he will,,he will need a kidny or something he will pay price dont worry and then as usualleveryone will come here and say PRAISE GOD PRAISE GH15 FOR HE IS GOD ,,youre like sheep my friends,,few of you know what they talk about ,,rest of the kids here have no clue and the worst are the ones who dont have a clue still use AND LIE about it ,,they are the ones who live in compete denialand they are the core of generation nothingness

read the bible i wrote for you during the years mabe you will wize up

gh15 approved

HA HA HA....you are such a meat stick its not even funny!!!!  Wow...you are failing MISERABLY as an internet gimmick now.  "Look at me I am an IFBB pro who hides behind this screen name because I tell the truth and dont want anyone to know who I am....blah blah blah blah blah".  Go hunt down a yeti, sasquach, or aliens your schmoe loving pin cushion fuck tard.