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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2010, 01:56:02 PM »
Haha... Come on man... Seriously?

You think that Al doesn't actually believe what he's saying? That's just crazy. Al Gore definitely believes in Global Warming as do a HUGE majority of people in the scientific community... You know... Scientists.

"According to the results of a one-time online questionnaire-based statistical survey published by the University of Illinois, with 3146 individuals completing the survey, 97% of the actively publishing climate scientists (as opposed to the scientists who are not publishing actively) (i.e. 75 of 77 individuals out of the 3146) agree that human activity, such as flue gas emissions from fossil fuel combustion and deforestation, is a significant contributing factor to global climate change. Overall, 82% reported agreeing with AGW.[1] According to additional sources, the majority of scientists who work on climate change agree on the main points.[2][3][4][5]"

Now... whether you believe it or not... I don't think 97% of the climate science community is a "scam".



Cap & Trade is a scam.  Look it up.  I have posted on this extensively.  Here is the take from Matt Taibii - a liberal columinst at Rolling Stone.   Even he sees the scam this whole farce it.  

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 BUBBLE #6 - GLOBAL WARMING
Fast-Forward to today. It's early June in Washington, D.C. Barack Obama, a popular young politician whose leading private campaign donor was an investment bank called Goldman Sachs - its employees paid some $981,000 to his campaign - sits in the White House. Having seamlessly navigated the political minefield of the bailout era, Goldman is once again back to its old business, scouting out loopholes in a new government-created market with the aid of a new set of alumni occupying key government jobs.

AS ENVISIONED BY GOLDMAN, THE FIGHT TO STOP GLOBAL WARMING WILL BECOME A "CARBON MARKET" WORTH $1 TRILLION A YEAR.

Gone are Hank Paulson and Neel Kashkari; in their place are Treasury chief of staff Mark Patterson and CFTC chief Gary Gensler, both former Goldmanites. (Gensler was the firm's co-head of finance) And instead of credit derivatives or oil futures or mortgage-backed CDOs, the new game in town, the next bubble, is in carbon credits - a booming trillion-dollar market that barely even exists yet, but will if the Democratic Party that it gave $4,452,585 to in the last election manages to push into existence a groundbreaking new commodities bubble, disguised as an "environmental plan," called cap-and-trade.

The new carbon-credit market is a virtual repeat of the commodities-market casino that's been kind to Goldman, except it has one delicious new wrinkle: If the plan goes forward as expected, the rise in prices will be government-mandated. Goldman won't even have to rig the game. It will be rigged in advance.

Here's how it works: If the bill passes; there will be limits for coal plants, utilities, natural-gas distributors and numerous other industries on the amount of carbon emissions (a.k.a. greenhouse gases) they can produce per year. If the companies go over their allotment, they will be able to buy "allocations" or credits from other companies that have managed to produce fewer emissions. President Obama conservatively estimates that about $646 billions worth of carbon credits will be auctioned in the first seven years; one of his top economic aides speculates that the real number might be twice or even three times that amount.

The feature of this plan that has special appeal to speculators is that the "cap" on carbon will be continually lowered by the government, which means that carbon credits will become more and more scarce with each passing year. Which means that this is a brand-new commodities market where the main commodity to be traded is guaranteed to rise in price over time. The volume of this new market will be upwards of a trillion dollars annually; for comparison's sake, the annual combined revenues of an electricity suppliers in the U.S. total $320 billion.

Goldman wants this bill. The plan is (1) to get in on the ground floor of paradigm-shifting legislation, (2) make sure that they're the profit-making slice of that paradigm and (3) make sure the slice is a big slice. Goldman started pushing hard for cap-and-trade long ago, but things really ramped up last year when the firm spent $3.5 million to lobby climate issues. (One of their lobbyists at the time was none other than Patterson, now Treasury chief of staff.) Back in 2005, when Hank Paulson was chief of Goldman, he personally helped author the bank's environmental policy, a document that contains some surprising elements for a firm that in all other areas has been consistently opposed to any sort of government regulation. Paulson's report argued that "voluntary action alone cannot solve the climate-change problem." A few years later, the bank's carbon chief, Ken Newcombe, insisted that cap-and-trade alone won't be enough to fix the climate problem and called for further public investments in research and development. Which is convenient, considering that 'Goldman made early investments in wind power (it bought a subsidiary called Horizon Wind Energy), renewable diesel (it is an investor in a firm called Changing World Technologies) and solar power (it partnered with BP Solar), exactly the kind of deals that will prosper if the government forces energy producers to use cleaner energy. As Paulson said at the time, "We're not making those investments to lose money."

The bank owns a 10 percent stake in the Chicago Climate Exchange, where the carbon credits will be traded. Moreover, Goldman owns a minority stake in Blue Source LLC, a Utah-based firm that sells carbon credits of the type that will be in great demand if the bill passes. Nobel Prize winner Al Gore, who is intimately involved with the planning of cap-and-trade, started up a company called Generation Investment Management with three former bigwigs from Goldman Sachs Asset Management, David Blood, Mark Ferguson and Peter Harris. Their business? Investing in carbon offsets. There's also a $500 million Green Growth Fund set up by a Goldmanite to invest in green-tech ... the list goes on and on. Goldman is ahead of the headlines again, just waiting for someone to make it rain in the right spot. Will this market be bigger than the energy-futures market?

"Oh, it'll dwarf it," says a former staffer on the House energy committee.

Well, you might say, who cares? If cap-and-trade succeeds, won't we all be saved from the catastrophe of global warming? Maybe - but cap-and-trade, as envisioned by Goldman, is really just a carbon tax structured so that private interests collect the revenues. Instead of simply imposing a fixed government levy on carbon pollution and forcing unclean energy producers to pay for the mess they make, cap-and trade will allow a small tribe of greedy-as-hell Wall Street swine to turn yet another commodities market into a private tax-collection scheme. This is worse than the bailout: It allows the bank to seize taxpayer money before it's even collected.

"If it's going to be a tax, I would prefer that Washington set the tax and collect it," says Michael Masters, the hedge fund director who spoke out against oil-futures speculation. "But we're saying that Wall Street can set the tax, and Wall Street can collect the tax. That's the last thing in the world I want. It's just asinine."

Cap-and-trade is going to happen. Or, if it doesn't, something like it will. The moral is the same as for all the other bubbles that Goldman helped create, from 1929 to 2009. In almost every case, the very same bank that behaved recklessly for years, weighing down the system with toxic loans and predatory debt, and accomplishing nothing but massive bonuses for a few bosses, has been rewarded with mountains of virtually free money and government guarantees - while the actual victims in this mess, ordinary taxpayers, are the ones paying for it.

It's not always easy to accept the reality of what we now routinely allow these people to get away with; there's a kind of collective denial that kicks in when a country goes through what America has gone through lately, when a people lose as much prestige and status as we have in the past few years. You can't really register the fact that you're no longer a citizen of a thriving first-world democracy, that you're no longer above getting robbed in broad daylight, because like an amputee, you can still sort of feel things that are no longer there.

But this is it. This is the world we live in now. And in this world, some of us have to play by the rules, while others get a note from the principal excusing them from homework till the end of time, plus 10 billion free dollars in a paper bag to buy lunch. It's a gangster state, running on gangster economics, and even prices can't be trusted anymore; there are hidden taxes in every buck you pay. And maybe we can't stop it, but we should at least know where it's all going.

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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2010, 02:00:43 PM »
Please -The govt cant even deal with an oil spill yet you guys think we can engineer the planet?  

GGMMMAAFFFBBB.  Even the most bible thumping religious types are as delusional; as the enviro cultists.  

You need to come up with more acronyms than the GMAFB you use so consistently... I'm pretty sure that we didn't "engineer the planet", but if you're going to just ignore what "Climate Science" says, then you have to ignore all science... Are you ready to do that?

Why are you picking on "climate science"?

Because you're afraid it will damage your wallet? I don't think a fat wallet is really worth a crap on a dead planet.

I LOVE the gasoline powered engine... the way it sounds and how it works... I LOVE it... and I don't want it to go away, but I'm sure if I cut out my usage of fossil fuels in other ways, then someone might throw me a bone and let me keep my petrol injected 2 and 4 wheel beasts.

I'm not fucking talking about "Cap & Trade"... I'm talking about Climate change and whether or not Al Gore believes it.



1.Science says it does exist

and

2. Al Gore does believe it.

Cap & Trade is a political stance and has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

I think Cap & Trade sucks... but mostly because it won't do any good.

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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2010, 02:03:39 PM »
You need to come up with more acronyms than the GMAFB you use so consistently... I'm pretty sure that we didn't "engineer the planet", but if you're going to just ignore what "Climate Science" says, then you have to ignore all science... Are you ready to do that?

Why are you picking on "climate science"?

Because you're afraid it will damage your wallet? I don't think a fat wallet is really worth a crap on a dead planet.

I LOVE the gasoline powered engine... the way it sounds and how it works... I LOVE it... and I don't want it to go away, but I'm sure if I cut out my usage of fossil fuels in other ways, then someone might throw me a bone and let me keep my petrol injected 2 and 4 wheel beasts.

Heres the thing, 333 doesn't like cap and trade.  Fine.  We get it.  But to say that the science behind global climate change is somehow false when 97% of those who study it believe it to be true.  It's absurd logic really. 
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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2010, 02:05:47 PM »
You need to come up with more acronyms than the GMAFB you use so consistently... I'm pretty sure that we didn't "engineer the planet", but if you're going to just ignore what "Climate Science" says, then you have to ignore all science... Are you ready to do that?

Why are you picking on "climate science"?

Because you're afraid it will damage your wallet? I don't think a fat wallet is really worth a crap on a dead planet.

I LOVE the gasoline powered engine... the way it sounds and how it works... I LOVE it... and I don't want it to go away, but I'm sure if I cut out my usage of fossil fuels in other ways, then someone might throw me a bone and let me keep my petrol injected 2 and 4 wheel beasts.

Yeah, thats the bogus scam to get you to part with your $$$ to go to Goldman Sachs, like a naive sucker with his head up his ass.  

Read the piece by Taibii.  After reading that, do you not see what is going on?  

After the fraud of ObamaCare, the Stim Bill, Too Big To Fail in the FINREG bill, etc, you would think some adults would actually think like grown ups for once and stop believing hack politicians like children waiting for Santa Claus.   I guess not.

Do you have even remotely a clue of what is in this disaster of a bill?  Seriously?  Are you aware of the retrofit requirements as a condition of selling your home?      

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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2010, 02:06:30 PM »
Heres the thing, 333 doesn't like cap and trade.  Fine.  We get it.  But to say that the science behind global climate change is somehow false when 97% of those who study it believe it to be true.  It's absurd logic really.  

It makes no sense at all... He is arguing science with politics... and that is the problem... They have nothing to do with each other.

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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2010, 02:07:29 PM »
Yeah, thats the bogus scam to get you to part with your $$$ to go to Goldman Sachs, like a naive sucker with his head up his ass. 

Read the piece by Taibii.  After reading that, do you not see what is going on? 

After the fraud of ObamaCare, the Stim Bill, Too Big To Fail in the FINREG bill, etc, you would think some adults would actually think like grown ups for once and stop believing hack politicians like children waiting for Santa Claus.   I guess not.

Do you have even remotely a clue of what is in this disaster of a bill?  Seriously?  Are you aware of the retrofit requirements as a condition of selling your home?     

Do you seriously not understand that I don't like Cap & Trade and that I think it's stupid?

Do only read pieces of what I type?

I'm talking about the Science, not the politics... Come on man... pay attention.

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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2010, 02:08:17 PM »
Heres the thing, 333 doesn't like cap and trade.  Fine.  We get it.  But to say that the science behind global climate change is somehow false when 97% of those who study it believe it to be true.  It's absurd logic really. 

97% of who?  

Even many enviros believe cap & trade is fraud and argue for a straight carbon tax as opposed to this wall street driven scheme.  

KC - please tell me - why should money allegedly being used to promote "clean energy" first go through the greedy hands of Goldman Sachs?  

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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2010, 02:11:09 PM »
97% of who? 

Even many enviros believe cap & trade is fraud and argue for a straight carbon tax as opposed to this wall street driven scheme. 

KC - please tell me - why should money allegedly being used to promote "clean energy" first go through the greedy hands of Goldman Sachs? 

You are a brick wall dude... No one is arguing FOR cap & trade... Do you not see that? No one has said they like it in this thread.

We are saying that science says that climate change DOES exist.

the 97% is the number of publishing climate scientists who say climate change is caused by Humans... If you had read my original post, you would know it.

NOT ONE MOTHERFUCKING PERSON IS TALKING ABOUT CAP & TRADE EXCEPT YOU!

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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2010, 02:12:23 PM »
Do you seriously not understand that I don't like Cap & Trade and that I think it's stupid?

Do only read pieces of what I type?

I'm talking about the Science, not the politics... Come on man... pay attention.

I am paying attention, and like it or not, the only thing on the table to deal with "climate change" is the goldman Sachs' wet dream known as cap & trade.  

So when anyone says we need to do something about this, cap & trade is what it is since that is what already passed the House of Reps.
Cap & Trade is what is before the Senate, nothing else.  

As for the "science", it is not universally agreed to and second, I really see no justification for bankrupting ourselves based on guesses at best, especially considering China, India, Russia and others already said they are not going to do shit on this.  


  

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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2010, 02:14:19 PM »
I am paying attention, and like it or not, the only thing on the table to deal with "climate change" is the goldman Sachs' wet dream known as cap & trade. 

So when anyone says we need to do something about this, cap & trade is what it is since that is what already passed the House of Reps.
Cap & Trade is what is before the Senate, nothing else. 

As for the "science", it is not universally agreed to and second, I really see no justification for bankrupting ourselves based on guesses at best, especially considering China, India, Russia and others already said they are not going to do shit on this. 


   
On this topic, you are a complete buffoon.

Science is not politics and  you're busy trying to talk politics...


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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #35 on: June 15, 2010, 02:16:19 PM »
I am paying attention, and like it or not, the only thing on the table to deal with "climate change" is the goldman Sachs' wet dream known as cap & trade.  

So when anyone says we need to do something about this, cap & trade is what it is since that is what already passed the House of Reps.
Cap & Trade is what is before the Senate, nothing else.  

As for the "science", it is not universally agreed to and second, I really see no justification for bankrupting ourselves based on guesses at best, especially considering China, India, Russia and others already said they are not going to do shit on this.  


  

what in your mind would constitute universal agreement?  98% of climate scientists? 99%? 100%? what exactly.
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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2010, 02:17:06 PM »
Al believes in global warming all right - the fact that it will make him wealthy. This guy is a fucking snake. I have no problem when he tries to bring attention to the fact that the earth is being abused by man. However when he gets filthy rich off this and buying up mansions and toys you know there is an agenda at work.

Just like Palin who's a "hockey mom"... ::) Give me a fucking break , what do you want him to do...donate all his money? The guy is working and earning his money. That's an absurd statement you're making right there.
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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2010, 02:20:41 PM »
what in your mind would constitute universal agreement?  98% of climate scientists? 99%? 100%? what exactly.

And of those how many have said Cap and trade will do ANYTHING to stop or even slow global warming.In fact,most of these scientists admit it will do NOTHING!To stop or even slow carbon emmisions.

So,I ask you,whats the real goal of cap amnd trade,since almost every expert agrees it will have almost zero affect on the environment.

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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2010, 02:23:57 PM »
Just like Palin who's a "hockey mom"... ::) Give me a fucking break , what do you want him to do...donate all his money? The guy is working and earning his money. That's an absurd statement you're making right there.

Palin is not seeking to impose massive energy taxes on people.  

Please tell me what you think about this and how you expect a struggling family to pay for this?  


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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2010, 02:26:47 PM »
Palin is not seeking to impose massive energy taxes on people.  

Please tell me what you think about this and how you expect a struggling family to pay for this?  



I thought we were talking about Gore.... ???
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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2010, 02:27:24 PM »
And of those how many have said Cap and trade will do ANYTHING to stop or even slow global warming.In fact,most of these scientists admit it will do NOTHING!To stop or even slow carbon emmisions.

So,I ask you,whats the real goal of cap amnd trade,since almost every expert agrees it will have almost zero affect on the environment.

Fuck dude... This isn't about Cap & Trade.

Are you 3333s gimmick?

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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2010, 02:28:36 PM »
Al Gore is pushing the same Maddoffian scams as Obama is so anything bad that happens to Gore i am totally happy with. 

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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2010, 02:33:52 PM »
Palin is not seeking to impose massive energy taxes on people. 

actually, invading iran is more or less an "energy tax".

You know... borrowing $ to fund a war for oil in dollars... yes, it's an energy tax.

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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #43 on: June 15, 2010, 02:41:33 PM »
Fuck dude... This isn't about Cap & Trade.

Are you 3333s gimmick?

No.  He is not.

TU, if you or anyone else claims they want the govt to take action on so called "climate change", whatever the hell that means, it means you support cap & trade since that already passed the House, is in front of the Senate, and the only legislation on this issue being discussed, debated, and considered and being pursued by Obama. 

and Al Gore, Goldman Sachs, Franklin Raines, and the rest of that mob all stand to make billions off of this scam directly out of your pocket.       

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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #44 on: June 15, 2010, 02:41:59 PM »
a drowning rat will clutch at anything to save itself.  Much the same way 333 will clutch at anything to deny the truth.
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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #45 on: June 15, 2010, 03:07:08 PM »
Al Gore a snake? Who'd have thunk that! Between Democrats beating people who ask them simple questions and their heroes who can't keep it in their pants, it's become clear as day that they are just as bad as the Republicans they despise. Ha.

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« Reply #46 on: June 15, 2010, 03:10:10 PM »
a drowning rat will clutch at anything to save itself.  Much the same way 333 will clutch at anything to deny the truth.

Whatever KC.  Cap & Trade is a joke and almost all but you see that. 

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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #47 on: June 15, 2010, 03:15:48 PM »
Every one of you who gets so upset about the Nat'l Enquirer making a big deal of Palin's alleged affair with Todd's business partner that was sealed...

How is starting and posting on a thread about Al Gore's marriage any different?

Seriously.

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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #48 on: June 15, 2010, 03:18:13 PM »
Every one of you who gets so upset about the Nat'l Enquirer making a big deal of Palin's alleged affair with Todd's business partner that was sealed...

How is starting and posting on a thread about Al Gore's marriage any different?

Seriously.


The story about Al Gore proved true as evidenced by his separation from Tip.   So far the same cant be said about he Palin story.   

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Re: Al Gore divorce over a Gay Affair?
« Reply #49 on: June 15, 2010, 03:25:09 PM »
A couple splits up.
"The Star" accuses him of a relationship - which I think he and the girl deny?

Really?  That's proof?  Maybe he farted in bed.  "The Star" is proof now?


Aside from that...
So wait a second -------------------
If Palin's story is TRUE - then it's okay to have numerous threads about her marriage?
is that the benchmark now?  It's okay to have 50 threads about someone's marriage - if it's true?

Please clarify. I got bitched out by a bunch of ppl here for the family shit, and I apologized and stopped doing it.  You're saying it's okay  - if the Star says it's true?  What the fudge, dude?