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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2010, 06:55:13 AM »
They certainly did but there was no proof of it. It all came out later because Carla Homolka tried to write a book to make $$$$ and capitalize on the situation. Bernardo was responsible for two murders only instead of something like 10. Sad shit. I feel bad for the families. Can you imagine? One of your loved ones going through that ordeal and then this bitch on top of getting a very weak sentence, comes out of jail and writes a book. Wow.
She should of got at least 20 years no early exit. I know he seemed to be the person driving the rapes and killings but she allowed and who knows what she played in these events. Sad stuff for the families.

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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2010, 07:01:29 AM »
She should of got at least 20 years no early exit. I know he seemed to be the person driving the rapes and killings but she allowed and who knows what she played in these events. Sad stuff for the families.
If you ever saw his pick, he looks like a nerd who weighs about 160lbs. The type of guy that would get ravaged if he met up with the wrong people on the wrong side of town.

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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2010, 07:03:38 AM »
If you ever saw his pick, he looks like a nerd who weighs about 160lbs. The type of guy that would get ravaged if he met up with the wrong people on the wrong side of town.
The story was on ID TV they were both very attrative people I assume this is one reason they were able to lure these people in

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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2010, 07:53:49 AM »
The story was on ID TV they were both very attrative people I assume this is one reason they were able to lure these people in
For sure.

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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2010, 08:34:36 AM »
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Both in the movie and in the true story, the poor girl was tortured by the woman trusted to care for her, and the woman's children, and some other kids from the neighborhood.  That's what so terrible about it.  All these people participated in the torture of this poor girl, for almost three months, and nobody did anything to help her.  The "mom" of the house was mainly responsible for all of it, the torture and the murder.

In the movie, the woman is killed.  In the true story, she, her children and some of the other people involved go to jail.  She was given life in prison, but later paroled because of good conduct, then died of lung cancer shortly after that.  The whole story makes me very sad and very angry at the same time.

Horrible!


And I've heard about the Karla Holmolka thing.  Unreal.
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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2010, 08:42:18 AM »
Horrible!


And I've heard about the Karla Holmolka thing.  Unreal.
It was pretty gruesome. Apparently, the footage on the hidden video tapes of the rape and torchure of the two young women was so horrid that the judge ordered them to be destroyed after the trial.

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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2010, 10:33:19 AM »
I'm surprised she made it out of prison alive.  Maybe I've seen too many movies  ::)
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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2010, 10:47:54 AM »
I'm surprised she made it out of prison alive.  Maybe I've seen too many movies  ::)
She came out, moved to Montreal, changed her name and appearence totally. Even got re-married (don't ask me how).

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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2010, 11:24:08 AM »
The story was on ID TV they were both very attrative people I assume this is one reason they were able to lure these people in

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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2010, 11:32:45 AM »
Those pics just go to show you that anyone can become a serial killer. Look at them. Unreal.

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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2010, 11:42:59 AM »
Those pics just go to show you that anyone can become a serial killer. Look at them. Unreal.

I read more about this story and saw that the cops caught him several times, but then released him after questioning him without further investigation because they could not believe that a nice, well mannered, educated young man such as him could be the serial rapists/murderer the cops were looking for.    ::)

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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2010, 01:07:26 PM »
I read more about this story and saw that the cops caught him several times, but then released him after questioning him without further investigation because they could not believe that a nice, well mannered, educated young man such as him could be the serial rapists/murderer the cops were looking for.    ::)
They had no evidence against him. He would have gotten away with it had Carla not turned on him. She was the only key witness and she revealed the videotapes of Paul Bernardo raping and torchering the women on tape.

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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2010, 01:39:34 PM »
They had no evidence against him. He would have gotten away with it had Carla not turned on him. She was the only key witness and she revealed the videotapes of Paul Bernardo raping and torchering the women on tape.

Even so, they did not believe he was the one they were looking for, according to what I've read.  Apparently, he's a smooth talker and didn't have the "looks" of a serial killer.

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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2010, 02:54:32 PM »
Something is very familiar about that story  ???  Was there a Lifetime movie about them or a documentary on A & E or something?  Didn't she play the victim card?
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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2010, 04:00:30 PM »
My mother worked nights.

How on earth did I manage to avoid being fat?

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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2010, 06:10:42 PM »
Anybody here see the 2007 film "The Girl Next Door" or read the 1989 novel of the same name by Jack Ketchum?  It is loosely based on the true story of the 1965 torture and murder of 16 year old Sylvia Likens.  It was described as "the most terrible crime ever committed in the state of Indiana."


I just ordered the movie.  Should have it by Friday.
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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2010, 05:38:58 AM »

I just ordered the movie.  Should have it by Friday.


Cool! Prepare to be saddened and angered.

With Netflix you can instantly watch it on your computer, or on your tv if you have a Wii, PS3 or Xbox 360.

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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2010, 06:25:59 AM »
Something is very familiar about that story  ???  Was there a Lifetime movie about them or a documentary on A & E or something?  Didn't she play the victim card?
She played the victim card and tried to collect on the dividends of the movie but lawsuits prevented that especially when the families of the deceased lashed out. She should thank her lucky stars that she did her little to no time and is out.

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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2010, 07:52:18 AM »
Something is very familiar about that story  ???  Was there a Lifetime movie about them or a documentary on A & E or something?  Didn't she play the victim card?

There is a movie, but it makes Karla look like an innocent victim in the whole thing.



http://www.amazon.com/Karla-Laura-Prepon/dp/B000MNOXX0/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_i

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1.0 out of 5 stars Factually corrupt., June 16, 2009
By    Andrew MacEwen "His Imperial Majesty, Grand H... - See all my reviews
This review is from: Karla (DVD)
When I saw a woman in the writing credits, I immediately knew what I was in for.

1) Although Paul had committed two rapes and attempted a third before meeting Karla, he did not plunge headlong into his solo career as the Scarborough Rapist until after they had met and she had started encouraging his sickest fantasies and most deviant behavior. The film reverses the sequence of events: it has Bernardo well into his career as rapist before he and Karla start to commit their mutual depredations. (e.g., A notorious police sketch of the Scarborough rapist that led to Paul's being detained and questioned was published after his eleventh rape, two-and-half-years after he and Karla met. In the film, this occurs almost immediately once they start dating.) This rearranging of events absolves Karla of having any real effect on Paul's fantasies and behavior.

2) The film omits Karla's encouragement of Paul's activities as a solo rapist. Paul's claim that Karla "set him off" is mentioned, but the filmmakers chose not dramatize any influence on Karla's part. See #1.

3) The film portrays their relationship as abusive, with Paul constantly using Karla as a punching bag, escalating in frequency as their relationship spirals, thus creating the fraudulent possibility that some kind of "learned helplessness" syndrome contributed to her behavior. The dramatization certainly asserts quite openly that she couldn't leave him because of this "learned helplessness." In actuality, Paul did not hit Karla until the night he pounded her with a flashlight, at which point she immediately turned him in. And yet we are shown, instead of the brief flashlight attack, an extended and thoroughly bogus sequence in which Paul punishes Karla for having made a half-hearted attempt to leave him by sodomizing her with a gag in her mouth and then throwing her down the stairs and beating her some more. Then the story resorts to that familiar and facile standby with which we are all familiar from Lifetime and Oxygen and "Sleeping with the Enemy" -- Karla can't leave Paul because he'll hunt her down and kill her. Again, the real-life scenario was completely different: their relationship was mutual bliss until her beat her with the flashlight. And she left him immediately.

4) The film does not portray Karla procuring Paul's victims. Instead, it has Paul finding his own victims and bringing them back to the house to the surprise of Karla. This lie of omission is unforgivable.

5) Karla Homolka was aroused watching her loverboy rape his victims. This is mostly ignored by the filmmakers. Particularly dishonest is a scene in which she is seen reading American Psycho in bed while Paul is in the basement with a victim. In actuality, Karla was in the same room with Paul and his victim while reading the Ellis book. The book was intensifying the arousal she felt at what Paul was doing. When asked at the trial how she could read a book and watch her husband rape a girl, she responded by saying, "I'm capable of doing two things at once." This is a classic sociopath's comment, as it is not clear just how seriously the answer was intended and to what extent she was goading her interrogator. But there is no true sense of Karla as a sociopath in this film, despite the coda that informs us that the real-life psychiatrist assessed her as one.

6) Initially, Karla displays curiosity when witnessing Paul's assault on a girl and following his instructions to kiss her. As the film progresses, however, she experiences pangs of conscience and is portrayed as a horrified onlooker. After one murder, we are treated to a risible scene in which she symbolically scrubs herself clean in the shower as Paul violates a Catholic schoolgirl in a nearby room. These are outrageous lies, since anyone who has seen the videotapes can testify that Karla was a perverted and slavering participant who needed no threats of violence or psychological manipulation to join in these depredations. During the climax of this second torture killing, we see that Karla has become hardened and emotionally deadened and that her moral qualms are gone, but this is a far cry from the perverted deviant she actually was all along.

Choosing to tell the story via Karla's self-serving accounts allows the filmmakers to sidestep the otherwise unavoidable conclusion that she was an eager, willing, and sadistic accomplice. While the interviewing psychiatrist in the wraparound narrative framework provides a reference point for the viewer that makes it clear Karla's words cannot necessarily be trusted, the dramatization itself manages to suggest that Karla was essentially a woman whose low self-esteem ran so deep that she participated in these activities mostly to keep Paul happy and ensure that she wouldn't lose him. Any faint glimmerings of sadistic enjoyment (and they are very few and very faint) displayed by Karla are subtly passed off as the ill effects of Paul's "victimization" of her.

Relationships like these are mutually toxic, though not necessarily equally so in both directions. If we can assume as a matter of course that Karla would not have done these things without a partner like Paul, then we should be able to consider the possibility that Paul's behavior was, to some extent, affected by the presence of Karla.

Alas, we live in a society which steadfastly refuses to believe in female depravity unless its presence is attributed to the pernicious influence of a patriarchal, white-male "hegemony." Films like this are factually corrupt and disgusting.

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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2010, 08:05:44 PM »

I just ordered the movie.  Should have it by Friday.


It's on the "Chiller" channel now.  Not really watching it tho - we're having a storm and the satellite keeps going in and out. 

Aunt Ruthie sure is a bitch  >:(
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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #45 on: June 23, 2010, 08:06:52 PM »

It's on the "Chiller" channel now.  Not really watching it tho - we're having a storm and the satellite keeps going in and out. 

Aunt Ruthie sure is a bitch  >:(

The Chiller channel rules.

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« Reply #46 on: June 23, 2010, 08:17:19 PM »
Looks like another movie was made about that case too.

Ellen Page plays Sylvia - she's a phenomenal actress.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/young/likens/22.html

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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #47 on: June 23, 2010, 08:19:42 PM »
Looks like another movie was made about that case too.

Ellen Page plays Sylvia - she's a phenomenal actress.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/young/likens/22.html


Thanks looks good.

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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #48 on: June 23, 2010, 08:39:04 PM »
There are 23 "chapters" in this "story".  It tells the entire history of the case.
Very disturbing  :'(


http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/young/likens/1.html

Chapter 17
1985: SLAM into Action

In 1985, after serving two decades in Indiana Women's Prison, the parole board voted to grant Gertrude Baniszewski a parole. However, a court ruled that the board's hearing had not been properly open to the public and a new vote had to be taken.

Two anti-crime groups, Protect the Innocent and Society's League Against Molestation (SLAM), instantly swung into action. Interestingly, SLAM was founded by Patti Linebaugh, the grandmother of Amy Sue Seitz, a two-year-old molested, tortured, and murdered by convicted child molester Theodore Frank. Perpetrated in California, that crime, like this one, would be called "the worst crime ever committed against one victim in the state's history."

Members of SLAM and Protect the Innocent pounded the pavements of Indianapolis seeking signatures of citizens opposed to the parole. They had no trouble getting them even among those who were too young to remember the case because Gertrude Baniszewski's name had, in the two decades of her incarceration, become that of an Indianapolis "bogeywoman." They ended up gathering more than 4,500 signatures in just a couple of months. Jenny Likens appeared on television to demand that the notorious Baniszewski be kept behind bars.

Despite the outcry, when the parole board again voted, it was three to two in favor of the parole, exactly as it had been on the first vote. Baniszewski's conduct as a prisoner had been quite good. She worked in the sewing shop and tended to make favorable impressions upon both prison staff and other inmates. Many of the younger imprisoned women called the child killer and mother of seven by a title most familiar to her: "Mom." According to the Chicago Tribune, prison psychiatrists "termed Baniszewski a 'healthy, stable, pleasant and agreeable' person who wants 'to try to make up for the past and leave the world a little better.'"   ::)  >:( At the hearing, Baniszewski teared up frequently and expressed remorse but claimed amnesia about the crime. Indeed, her statement of remorse was enigmatic: "I'm not sure what role I had in it . . . because I was on drugs. I never really knew her. [But] I take full responsibility for whatever happened to Sylvia." She left prison December 4, 1985.

The torture-murderer moved to Iowa where she lived out her life under the name Nadine Van Fossan. A long-time heavy smoker, she died in 1990 of lung cancer.'

Actually, I'm quite ill right now after reading that whole story.  I don't know if I'm going to be able to watch the movie  :'(
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Re: Moms' full-time work tied to childhood obesity
« Reply #49 on: June 24, 2010, 05:42:35 AM »
Looks like another movie was made about that case too.

Ellen Page plays Sylvia - she's a phenomenal actress.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/young/likens/22.html


Thanks Princess!  I did not know about that one.  I don't know if I can stomach another movie based on this case.  Watching movies like this are not so bad if it's fiction and I know it.  But when a horror movie like this is based on real life events, it is very disturbing to me.