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IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« on: June 16, 2010, 08:36:09 PM »
ok,,this is thew abolute last time gh15 is going to reapet this,,i am tired of this repeted questions,,

UG TESTOSTERONE IS IN 9 OUT OF 10 CASES UNDERDOSED BAD QUALITY POWDER,,IT DOESNT BEING COOKED RIGHT ,,IT HAS TOO MUCH BA AND TOO MUCH CONTAMINATION,,THE MAIN PROBLEM IS THAT IT IS IN MOST CASES VERY VERY UNPURE POWDER AND UNDERDOSED,,

THERE IS NO COMPARISON BETWEEN NORMA TESTOSTERONE AND UG TESTOSTERONE,,NO COMPARISON BETWEEN ICN TESTOSTERONE AND UG TESTOSTERONE,,ONE IS REAL LEGIT TEST AND THE OTHER IS BUNK ,,

THERE ARE NO SERIOUS BODYBUILDERS WHO BUILD THEIR CONTINIOUS CYCLES ON UG TESTOSTERONE,,NONE!  YOU WILL NOT GET THE SWOLE YOU LOOKIN FOR FROM UG TESTOSTERONE I REPEAT YOU WILL NOT GET THE SWOLE YOU LOOKIN FOR FROM UG TESTOSTERONE PERIOD! THE SWOLE YOURE LOOKING FOR IS SWOLE OF THE DELTS PECS ARMS AND BACK ,,NOT SWOLE OF THE GUT,, ONLY HUMAN GRADE TESTOSTERONE PRODUCES THE SWOLE A BODYBUILDER IS LOOKING FOR,,
IM DONE WITH ANSWERING THIS BULLCRAP AGAIN,, THAT WAS LAST TIME,,


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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2010, 08:39:10 PM »
welll...at least you arent crazy enough to comment on the extent of natural builds anymore, kinda gave away that you arent a minority on that one but i'll still read your posts.

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2010, 08:39:19 PM »
What about Anator P70? I hear that's better than anything, even steroid and GH.
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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2010, 08:51:43 PM »
what about tren?  ::)

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2010, 09:11:39 PM »
all i know is this guy at my gym whos like 6'3 weighs 270 and has a very good physique with abs and everything uses the following

high dose test
high dose dianabol
high dose gh

little insulin + t3

thats it!

of course its all human grade

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2010, 09:15:05 PM »
all i know is this guy at my gym whos like 6'3 weighs 270 and has a very good physique with abs and everything uses the following

high dose test
high dose dianabol
high dose gh

little insulin + t3

thats it!

of course its all human grade
what else does he need? ffs thats pretty much everything covered... anabolics, insulin, peptides, fat burner etc

idiot


bet this guy has a nice slin/gh gut  ::)

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2010, 09:21:56 PM »
big gh15,

what is your opinion of anti-estrogens and aromatose inhibitors hurting gains while on cycle?
I dont like twinks.

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2010, 09:37:45 PM »
Hi Seva.   :)

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2010, 09:37:51 PM »
You constantly tell us how bad UG products are but in some cases, like tren (which you so highly praise) or equipose and even test suspencion only UG is available. How can it be that only UG test the least expensive of the steroids are low quality but the more expensive products are OK. I think you even said that Jay won last year because he cut back on insulin and used more tren and test suspension, both UG onlyh products.

Alos, Willam Lewellyn's book tested alot of ug products and they came out good, some even over dosed. A pro bodybuilder on another board whom i'm sure you know (mighty1) praises Oxide and Peps products. Says halo and suspencion combo transformed him in weeks.

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2010, 09:55:54 PM »
what else does he need? ffs thats pretty much everything covered... anabolics, insulin, peptides, fat burner etc

idiot


bet this guy has a nice slin/gh gut  ::)

well he has no moon face infact his fake is pretty sunken in and about the gut he seemeed pretty tight

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2010, 10:00:59 PM »
i respect GH15 alot, he has obviously been in the game for a long time......and if he is the elite-level bodybuilder and dealer he says he is.............its understandable that if given the choice he would choose human grade (who wouldnt)

but GH15 IS COMPLETELY WRONG HERE

in the past there has been a lot of guess work that went into deciding what UG sources were bunk or underdosed.........and that continues on still


but there is such thing as a lab that makes good shit, that means good test as well, steroids are not hard to make, the materials are not hard to obtain

i know many high level NPC guys who were making ALL their own steroids in their basement...........that means test, tren, eq, mast..............ALL OF THEM
these guys made EVERYTHING by themselves

im using axio stuff right now, and although they had some issues a while back, the test, winny, and dbol, im on right now are some of the best i have EVER taken, and my results certainly were not noticably different last year when i was taking human grade testosterone


once again, i respect GH.............but he is WAY OFF here.................... .....DAVE JACOBS was running an UGL.........and at one time was supplying many a IFBB pro with their cycles

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2010, 10:03:56 PM »
Thanks gh,,,

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2010, 10:17:19 PM »
im about to say it once again so listen carefuly and dont need to repond,,this is my final word abotu this subject,, GH15 SAID 9 OUT OF 10 LABS ARE BUNK,, not 10 out of 10,, 90% of ug testosterone is bunk due to the dealer using bad powder and or keeping the test long ester for themselves aka cookin it and selling different testosterone to client while keeping long ester for him,, its a very shady business with very very few good people ,,you can count them on one hand,,UG LABS WILL BRING EARLY DEATH TO MANY FELLAS FROM THIS GENERATION MARK MY WORD ON THAT ONE,,,NOT BECAUSE STEROIDS ARE BAD THING BUT BECAUSE THE POISIONING PARTICLES INSIDE THE VIALS,,WHICH IN MOST CASES CONTAIN VERY UNDERDOSED LOW PURITY TEST POWDER ,,AND IN SOME CASES GOOD POWDER THAT IS UNDERDOSED ON PURPOSE OR NOT EXISTANT TO BEGIN WITH DUE TO GREED,,

WHAT GH15 WRITE HERE WAS CHECKED FOR FEW YEARS NOW ON A CONSTANT BASIS BY MANY PROFESSIONALS,,UG TEST CAN BE FOUND AND CAN BE DECENT BUT ITS FEW AND RARE AGAINS 1 OUT OF 10 WILL BE OK,,THE REST IS GARBAGE ,,REASON OTHER COMPOUNDS ARE EASIER TO COME BY IS BECAUSE THE ONLY THING THE DEALER WHICH IS ALSO GYM RAT IS INTERESTED IN IS A LOT OF TESTOSTERONE FOR HIMSELF AND HIS PEOPLE,,SO TO YOU HE SEND TEST PROP AND FOR HIM HE KEEP THE GOOD TEST LONG ESTER,,THATS IN A GOOD CASE!,,IN A BAD CASE WHICH IS MAJORITY OF CASES YOU GET UNDERDOSED BAD POWDER IN THE VIAL,,

THE ONES WHO TRIED AND USED NORMA ICN SCHERING INFARS OMNAS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT GH15 IS SAYING,,THEY KNOW IT BECAUSE THERE IS  HUGE ENORMOUS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN UG TESTOSTERONE AND ICN TESTOSTERONE ,,,THE QUALITY OF THE POWDER THE DOSES T\ITS NOT A GUES GAME AND ITS LEGIT ,,

ONLY WHEN YOU USE ICN AND HUMAN GRADE TEST YOU UNDERSTAND  HOW MISLLEDING THE MARKET REALLYH IS AND THAT MOST UG LABS IS THE SCAM OF THE 21TH CENTURY

MOST DOESNT = ALL IT = EXCATLY WHAT IT SAYS HERE  M O S T 9 OUT OF 10

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2010, 10:32:59 PM »
I know two labs right now that you've never referenced that are legit as fuck; what do you think of my surmise, gh15?   ???

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2010, 10:34:54 PM »
If you knew 10 labs with 8 of them bunk then you didn't have good "friends" bro.  Think about it for a minute. 

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2010, 10:37:06 PM »
im about to say it once again so listen carefuly and dont need to repond,,this is my final word abotu this subject,, GH15 SAID 9 OUT OF 10 LABS ARE BUNK,, not 10 out of 10,, 90% of ug testosterone is bunk due to the dealer using bad powder and or keeping the test long ester for themselves aka cookin it and selling different testosterone to client while keeping long ester for him,, its a very shady business with very very few good people ,,you can count them on one hand,,UG LABS WILL BRING EARLY DEATH TO MANY FELLAS FROM THIS GENERATION MARK MY WORD ON THAT ONE,,,NOT BECAUSE STEROIDS ARE BAD THING BUT BECAUSE THE POISIONING PARTICLES INSIDE THE VIALS,,WHICH IN MOST CASES CONTAIN VERY UNDERDOSED LOW PURITY TEST POWDER ,,AND IN SOME CASES GOOD POWDER THAT IS UNDERDOSED ON PURPOSE OR NOT EXISTANT TO BEGIN WITH DUE TO GREED,,

WHAT GH15 WRITE HERE WAS CHECKED FOR FEW YEARS NOW ON A CONSTANT BASIS BY MANY PROFESSIONALS,,UG TEST CAN BE FOUND AND CAN BE DECENT BUT ITS FEW AND RARE AGAINS 1 OUT OF 10 WILL BE OK,,THE REST IS GARBAGE ,,REASON OTHER COMPOUNDS ARE EASIER TO COME BY IS BECAUSE THE ONLY THING THE DEALER WHICH IS ALSO GYM RAT IS INTERESTED IN IS A LOT OF TESTOSTERONE FOR HIMSELF AND HIS PEOPLE,,SO TO YOU HE SEND TEST PROP AND FOR HIM HE KEEP THE GOOD TEST LONG ESTER,,THATS IN A GOOD CASE!,,IN A BAD CASE WHICH IS MAJORITY OF CASES YOU GET UNDERDOSED BAD POWDER IN THE VIAL,,

THE ONES WHO TRIED AND USED NORMA ICN SCHERING INFARS OMNAS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT GH15 IS SAYING,,THEY KNOW IT BECAUSE THERE IS  HUGE ENORMOUS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN UG TESTOSTERONE AND ICN TESTOSTERONE ,,,THE QUALITY OF THE POWDER THE DOSES T\ITS NOT A GUES GAME AND ITS LEGIT ,,

ONLY WHEN YOU USE ICN AND HUMAN GRADE TEST YOU UNDERSTAND  HOW MISLLEDING THE MARKET REALLYH IS AND THAT MOST UG LABS IS THE SCAM OF THE 21TH CENTURY

MOST DOESNT = ALL IT = EXCATLY WHAT IT SAYS HERE  M O S T 9 OUT OF 10

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I'm not sure how much information this post actually just relayed.  But hey I've been "out of the loop;"
 

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2010, 11:31:50 PM »
i respect GH15 alot, he has obviously been in the game for a long time......and if he is the elite-level bodybuilder and dealer he says he is.............its understandable that if given the choice he would choose human grade (who wouldnt)

but GH15 IS COMPLETELY WRONG HERE

in the past there has been a lot of guess work that went into deciding what UG sources were bunk or underdosed.........and that continues on still


but there is such thing as a lab that makes good shit, that means good test as well, steroids are not hard to make, the materials are not hard to obtain

i know many high level NPC guys who were making ALL their own steroids in their basement...........that means test, tren, eq, mast..............ALL OF THEM
these guys made EVERYTHING by themselves

im using axio stuff right now, and although they had some issues a while back, the test, winny, and dbol, im on right now are some of the best i have EVER taken, and my results certainly were not noticably different last year when i was taking human grade testosterone


once again, i respect GH.............but he is WAY OFF here.................... .....DAVE JACOBS was running an UGL.........and at one time was supplying many a IFBB pro with their cycles

gh15 is God of Hormones and all but to me it doesn't make intuitive sense. Why would quality raw hormones be so hard to get? It's not very expensive or difficult to manufacture. I mean, you can get decent and quality heroin and cocaine and I would think that is much harder to process and there's much more of an incentive to sell junk. Why would a manufacture risk ruining their rep but putting out junk raws and why would a lab bother with them? It seems that information moves pretty quick and bunk products get outed pretty quick. Axio was an example. They were soon outed but now have rebuilt their rep.

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2010, 12:49:49 AM »
Why would quality raw hormones be so hard to get? Why would a manufacture risk ruining their rep but putting out junk raws and why would a lab bother with them?

Quality seems to be hit or miss. Sometimes the powder has little effect, sometimes its just as effective as human grade.. all from the same supplier. Depends on the percentage of purity.

China quality control = shit. Which means most UG labs = shit, since they will roll with whatever raw they happen to get, no matter the quality.

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2010, 01:23:18 AM »
I've mentioned this before to gh15 but it is never responded to. I occasionally cruise William Lewellyn's board. He seems to be the patron saint for users as he tests both ug and hg products and keeps a very close eye on the industry. RonnyT who works closely with Lewellyn estimated that over 60% of the "human grade" products out there are fake. In other words, most of the blessed human grade products are fake. So human grade is great as long as it's not fake. And UG labs are great (1 out of 10?) as long as it's not fake. 

Here is his response on a thread where this subject on the amount of fakes was addressed:

Quote from: RonnyT;60538
You hit the nail on the head!! It wasn't my estimation, but proven by a Dutch study where a total of  336 products  were analysed !!!

* Quality of illegal doping substances – an exploration of the quality of illegally traded doping substances and the health risks that accompany
their use
2005, O. de Hon & R. van Kleij

Most of these counterfeits are made in real pharmaceutical plants but some are made by the same people that sell API's. About Chinese API's..most are good. I personally know for years the major API middleman from China and mail with him on regular basis, he also provided BD. He analyses lots of API powders for Q. Its their business and they are serious about it :D

Off course there are idiots producing in China and other countries and UG labs also. The last busts showed a big network in Spain.

The only way to avoid UG or counterfeit is buying from a real pharmaceutical wholesaler. These prices are mostly much to high for the everage user that is spoiled by very low UG prices. And exactly this forced other UG labs to lower their prices and therefore buy lower quality API powders -solvents-carriers etc to make some profit.

And lets not forget that UG labs popped up after home brewing, were bb-ers extracted Trenbolone from pellets with acetone or "the magick solution", they made injectables with research chemicals and small amounts of powders. I can't believe that was healthy either. But neither is smoking - alcohol -overweight - stress -etc etc

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2010, 01:51:35 AM »
i respect GH15 alot, he has obviously been in the game for a long time......and if he is the elite-level bodybuilder and dealer he says he is.............its understandable that if given the choice he would choose human grade (who wouldnt)

but GH15 IS COMPLETELY WRONG HERE

in the past there has been a lot of guess work that went into deciding what UG sources were bunk or underdosed.........and that continues on still


but there is such thing as a lab that makes good shit, that means good test as well, steroids are not hard to make, the materials are not hard to obtain

i know many high level NPC guys who were making ALL their own steroids in their basement...........that means test, tren, eq, mast..............ALL OF THEM
these guys made EVERYTHING by themselves

im using axio stuff right now, and although they had some issues a while back, the test, winny, and dbol, im on right now are some of the best i have EVER taken, and my results certainly were not noticably different last year when i was taking human grade testosterone


once again, i respect GH.............but he is WAY OFF here.................... .....DAVE JACOBS was running an UGL.........and at one time was supplying many a IFBB pro with their cycles

Since you mentioned that you use Axio labs I just came across this article while poking around:

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/glenn-england-pleads-guilty-brian-wainstein-steroid-distribution-conspiracy/1338/

Excerpts:

Glenn Donald England pleaded guilty to possession of steroids for the purpose of trafficking in Canadian Provincial Court on April 15, 2009. England admitted conspiring with GenXXL and Axio Labs founder Brian Wainstein to distribute significant quantities of steroid tablets and steroid injectable products

I think it is OK to release an early observation of AXIO, as I have concerns. AXIO felt strongly enough about their line to provide us samples. This is a very good sign. However, half of the samples AXIO provided us for testing were contaminated with water. You could see it immediately when you shake the vials up. if any of you at home have an AXIO vial, I invite you to do the same and report your observation

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2010, 02:57:56 AM »
i'm responding to this thread,somewhat, blindly but....

...I think that everyone knows that they are taking a HUGE gamble with UG gear.

However, fact in this matter is that it is REALLY hard for some to get a good source for HG gear....at least it was for me it was

shit, the guy i turned to is big and shredded and knows ALOT of "people"...and the best he could get me was UG gear from a shitty lab

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2010, 05:02:05 AM »
with stuff like Test,Deca,Stanozolol,Primobolan etc if you can get HG that should be your first choice even if it costs a little more, Schering Testoviron and Organon Sustanon are very cheap and easy to get if you now a good source
For Tren,EQ,Mast etc well you end up with UG stuff just try to find one with a good rep thats been in business for a decent amount of time
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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2010, 05:06:27 AM »
with stuff like Test,Deca,Stanozolol,Primobolan etc if you can get HG that should be your first choice even if it costs a little more, Schering Testoviron and Organon Sustanon are very cheap and easy to get if you now a good source
For Tren,EQ,Mast etc well you end up with UG stuff just try to find one with a good rep thats been in business for a decent amount of time

i agree 1000 percent

with everything in life (especially "The Gas") you ALWAYS get what you pay for.


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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2010, 05:14:20 AM »
Tell that to George Farrah and his old bathtub operation in Rochester.

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Re: IN REGARDS TO REPETETIVE PM QUESTION
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2010, 05:30:56 AM »
I agree to a point, but there ARE some legit UGL's out there...

I'll be using HG for the first time next cycle. Can't wait  8)