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[tbombz]

1) not gonna happen...not viable...if you talk in shoulds...thenlets draw up a laundry list of Utopian shoulds...

2) complete stopping of fossil fuels is equivalent of the mothers against driving that wanna give people that drive after 1 beer the death penalty....overkill at best

a few generations with the luxuries of technology, or an eternity of generations without.

hard choice 

fine...the generation AFTER ME can choose to suffer... 

deal?

you can not choose for them. your actions(the planets) do not affect yourself, but future generations. the government has every right to, and  in principle is required to stop all of the combustion of fossil fuels (with a small exception for emergency uses only.. natural disasters, life threatening situations, etc)

[ToxicAvenger]

you can not choose for them. your actions(the planets) do not affect yourself, but future generations. the government has every right to, and  in principle is required to stop all of the combustion of fossil fuels (with a small exception for emergency uses only.. natural disasters, life threatening situations, etc)

yeah..go ahead and try convincing china...pakistan and india of that

u remind me of this

[tbombz]

yeah..go ahead and try convincing china...pakistan and india of that

u remind me of this

so you understand that our earths ecosystem can not sustain life if we continue to combust fuels like we are now, but you dont think theres anything we can do to stop it, so you think its best if we just say "fuck it" and ride this bitch till the wheels fall off.

right? 

[bigdumbbell]

No gimmick here. Long time lurker first time poster.

that's why you have like 50000 posts here..Mr. Intenseone, Joe Local, The Coach...

Everyone knows about you, moosejay, Pearl, etc...

anytime now...joloco's gunna go crying to Ron via PM and bellyache about being persecuted on the G & O board

[ToxicAvenger]

so you understand that our earths ecosystem can not sustain life if we continue to combust fuels like we are now,

how exactly do you know that what we r doing is  enough to actually significantly impact our climate?

a friggin comet hit couldn't do it!!

[tbombz]

bump for a reply from coach so i can continue with today's history lesson..

ok yes its a book. its called "____   of ______" By ____ ______. 

right now its not so important that you know the name or who wrote it..

do you know what evidence was provided to support the claim the capitalism would work? what studies did the author cite?

surely capitalism must have been based off of some kind of proper education in economics and also real world experience of the markets, free trade, and some examples of it working as well.

do you know if that book contained any of those things?

or was it simply a philosophical work done by a man with no experience in economics??


do you know the author of that book was also best friends with one of the most famous and influential atheist thinkers of all time (david hume)

[tbombz]

how exactly do you know that what we r doing is  enough to actually significantly impact our climate?

a friggin comet hit couldn't do it!!

oh brother 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification

[thelamefalsehood]

oh brother 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification

Seriously man, you are the same "kid" who lived off fish oil and was afraid to brush his teeth because of the carb count. You obviously have seen the error of your ways, and now seem to have a more appropriate way of living. Now, I say this because ever since you get a few props on the AAS board for giving decent advice, and people see you as Tbombz and not Candidate or Candizzle who most here tortured for years, you have developed an unsuiting air about you . You are 21 years old, you go to school and really have no real responsibilities, i.e. bills, wife, kids, taxes, etc. You are typical in the fact that a lot of young people tend to lean left on politics, but lean more to the center or right as they get older and acquire life experience. You need to grow up a bit and listen to what people have to say, without the condescending attitude and the just because someone disagrees with you. 10 years from now, when you have a mortgage, pay taxes out the ass, and pay upwards of $8 or more for a gallon of gas, you may be a lot closer to the Coach's way of thinking than you could have ever imagined.

[tbombz]

Seriously man, you are the same "kid" who lived off fish oil and was afraid to brush his teeth because of the carb count. You obviously have seen the error of your ways, and now seem to have a more appropriate way of living. Now, I say this because ever since you get a few props on the AAS board for giving decent advice, and people see you as Tbombz and not Candidate or Candizzle who most here tortured for years, you have developed an unsuiting air about you . You are 21 years old, you go to school and really have no real responsibilities, i.e. bills, wife, kids, taxes, etc. You are typical in the fact that a lot of young people tend to lean left on politics, but lean more to the center or right as they get older and acquire life experience. You need to grow up a bit and listen to what people have to say, without the condescending attitude and the just because someone disagrees with you. 10 years from now, when you have a mortgage, pay taxes out the ass, and pay upwards of $8 or more for a gallon of gas, you may be a lot closer to the Coach's way of thinking than you could have ever imagined.

broseph, i was the youngest lead congressional intern on record. 16 years old i was working for REPUBLICAN congressman Richard Pombo. both working on official tasks (dealing with constituints and the press) and also on campaign issues.  i worked for him becausei was super conservative.

most people lean "left" when they are young because they want to do what they want without gov. interference and dont like how uneven the money is spread out in this world. most people turn "right" as they age because they have kids and think the government should do the parenting for them.


i give a  because he asks a question with an obvious answer.

[thelamefalsehood]

broseph, i was the youngest lead congressional intern on record. 16 years old i was working for REPUBLICAN congressman Richard Pombo. both working on official tasks (dealing with constituints and the press) and also on campaign issues.  i worked for him becausei was super conservative.

most people lean "left" when they are young because they want to do what they want without gov. interference and dont like how uneven the money is spread out in this world. most people turn "right" as they age because they have kids and think the government should do the parenting for them.

i give a  because he asks a question with an obvious answer.

Well, thats good you were politiclly active at such a young age. Most kids can't say that and have no interest, but what you say is a bit flawed IMO. What do you think Cap and Trade and the health care bill are? Government interference on what you want to do, same with the Arizona law against illegals which the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT plans on suing over. And the statement about wanting the government to be the parents, I've honestly never even heard that one before so I have no clue what to say. And your  answer to Coach is as disputed as it is recognized, but I'm sure your Professore tell you otherwise. Life experience

[Coach is Back!]

Tbombz, I'm on football field right now with about 40 kids but I have quick break. I told you that I just read parts of it I do remember the authors name was I think Ellen Woods (or something like that). I remember it was waaay off the charts liberal and you saying she was "best friends with an atheist confirms it. Ok, now give your "history" lesson with your liberal twist and I'll be happy to give you a life lesson on, well...life and what capitolism has done for me without the help from government assistance and from barely being able to pay my rent to owning my home on a beach without even thinking about usuing the government for help.

[tbombz]

Well, thats good you were politiclly active at such a young age. Most kids can't say that and have no interest, but what you say is a bit flawed IMO. What do you think Cap and Trade and the health care bill are? Government interference on what you want to do, same with the Arizona law against illegals which the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT plans on suing over. And the statement about wanting the government to be the parents, I've honestly never even heard that one before so I have no clue what to say. And your  answer to Coach is as disputed as it is recognized, but I'm sure your Professore tell you otherwise. Life experience

you show a huge amount of ignorance by acting like the words of college professors dont have any substance. who should we listen to, the scientists or the "politicians" with no expertise in any field whatsoever??

government restrictions and regulations within the economic sector are necessary to some degree. of course we want to allow all people as much freedoms as we possibly can. but the actions of coorporations/big business have global effects upon the people's abilities to live their lifes in the manner they desire. when a company is operating in a way the puts the nations economy in danger for its own benefit, that must be regulated. when people are acting in a way that puts the earth's future at risk, then that must be regulated. everyone has basic rigths to life liberty and the pursuit of happyness, and the governments duty is to protect those rights from being infringed upon.

[Emmortal]

if you drive a gasoline powered car...and u r pissed/complaining about a gas spill...

then u r a hypocrite...

next time u have to travel a 1000 plus miles overseas...

SWIM!  

you sound like a buncha alcoholics expounding upon the evils of alcohol

Please go ahead and list the alternative fuel methods of transportation that are and have been widely available for the past 100 years.

Your epic fail of the obvious is astounding.

[tbombz]

Tbombz, I'm on football field right now with about 40 kids but I have quick break. I told you that I just read parts of it I do remember the authors name was I think Ellen Woods (or something like that). I remember it was waaay off the charts liberal and you saying she was "best friends with an atheist confirms it. Ok, now give your "history" lesson with your liberal twist and I'll be happy to give you a life lesson on, well...life and what capitolism has done for me without the help from government assistance and from barely being able to pay my rent to owning my home on a beach without even thinking about usuing the government for help.

um.. youve killed yourself again.

try again.. the book is called "the wealth of nations" and its by adam smith. universally recognized as the source of capitalism and smith is regarded as the father of moder economics.

he had zero education in economics. he was a moral philosopher. he based the whole idea of capiptalism on the assumption that the owners of resources would use them in the way that is most profitable to the country.

an idea alan greenspan recently admitted to as being faulty..   "ignorant to the greed of man" 

[thelamefalsehood]

you show a huge amount of ignorance by acting like the words of college professors dont have any substance. who should we listen to, the scientists or the "politicians" with no expertise in any field whatsoever??

government restrictions and regulations within the economic sector are necessary to some degree. of course we want to allow all people as much freedoms as we possibly can. but the actions of coorporations/big business have global effects upon the people's abilities to live their lifes in the manner they desire. when a company is operating in a way the puts the nations economy in danger for its own benefit, that must be regulated. when people are acting in a way that puts the earth's future at risk, then that must be regulated. everyone has basic rigths to life liberty and the pursuit of happyness, and the governments duty is to protect those rights from being infringed upon.

First off, college professors are notorious for leaning to the left. If all professors leaned to the right and that was universal, your thinking would probably be much different, but thats neither here nor there. Professors do have a lot of substance in what they say, but when what they say is heavily slanted in one direction, they lose some credibility and are more or less pushing an agenda.

And Government regulation is only an excuse used by politicians on both sides of the aisle as a power grab, nothing more, nothing less. You are delusional if you think any politician gives a f*ck about your basic rights or the earths fortitude to sustain life,  only an ideologist thinks that way.

[tbombz]

lol..    if the majority of the highly educated people tend to think a certain way, isnt it clear thats probably the better way to think?


what is "left" anyways? it seems "left" is someone who pushes for human rights and economic equality. 

[tbombz]

who is better judge of how to regulate economy... an economist, or a "politician"?

who is a better judge of how to regulate environment...a climatologist, or a "politician"?

[thelamefalsehood]

Whatever man, you obviously know it all already so why even have a discussion about it.

[Coach is Back!]

um.. youve killed yourself again.

try again.. the book is called "the wealth of nations" and its by adam smith. universally recognized as the source of capitalism and smith is regarded as the father of moder economics.

he had zero education in economics. he was a moral philosopher. he based the whole idea of capiptalism on the assumption that the owners of resources would use them in the way that is most profitable to the country.

an idea alan greenspan recently admitted to as being faulty..   "ignorant to the greed of man" 

1. No I haven't "killed" myself. You asked if I had read "the origin of capitalism" I told you I read parts of it, this is what I read.....

http://books.google.com/books?id=FZPyKjVguVoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=origin+of+capitalism&source=bl&ots=et2Ew_AwwW&sig=EQe7s-d-6Xvn2I5vW9rKulP--SI&hl=en&ei=WzocTK3DCIWLnQf8-8zoDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

I accept your apology. Now, you base your knowledge on learning a one sided philosophy of liberalism as it translates to socialism, without knowing what it's like to really work for a living, get a pay check and have 35-40% of it taken (before Obama, now it will be more) and the rest left to feed your family. When you FINALLY realize that, you MIGHT understand. Until then, you're reading the rhetoric that will wind up hurting you in the long run. If you can't see whats going on RIGHT NOW then keep reading your blind literature.

[ToxicAvenger]

Please go ahead and list the alternative fuel methods of transportation that are and have been widely available for the past 100 years.

Your epic fail of the obvious is astounding.

ever consider cost?

o no.....i'm the one that the obvious fails 

[tbombz]

1. No I haven't "killed" myself. You asked if I had read "the origin of capitalism" I told you I read parts of it, this is what I read.....

http://books.google.com/books?id=FZPyKjVguVoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=origin+of+capitalism&source=bl&ots=et2Ew_AwwW&sig=EQe7s-d-6Xvn2I5vW9rKulP--SI&hl=en&ei=WzocTK3DCIWLnQf8-8zoDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

I accept your apology. Now, you base your knowledge on learning a one sided philosophy of liberalism as it translates to socialism, without knowing what it's like to really work for a living, get a pay check and have 35-40% of it taken (before Obama, now it will be more) and the rest left to feed your family. When you FINALLY realize that, you MIGHT understand. Until then, you're reading the rhetoric that will wind up hurting you in the long run. If you can't see whats going on RIGHT NOW then keep reading your blind literature.

lol!

i said

what is the origin of capitalism?

 and you tell me its a book entitled "the origin of capitalism".

hahahahahaha

[Coach is Back!]

"marxist pig" 

Coach, are you familiar with the origin of capitalism? 

^^^

[bigdumbbell]

lol!

i said

what is the origin of capitalism?

 and you tell me its a book entitled "the origin of capitalism".

hahahahahaha

i am a Facebook fan of Adam Smith  

[Coach is Back!]

The Book? if thats what you're referring to, I've read parts of it a few years ago.

^^^^

[Coach is Back!]

ok yes its a book. its called "____   of ______" By ____ ______. 

right now its not so important that you know the name or who wrote it..

do you know what evidence was provided to support the claim the capitalism would work? what studies did the author cite?

surely capitalism must have been based off of some kind of proper education in economics and also real world experience of the markets, free trade, and some examples of it working as well.

do you know if that book contained any of those things?

or was it simply a philosophical work done by a man with no experience in economics??


do you know the author of that book was also best friends with one of the most famous and influential atheist thinkers of all time (david hume)

^^^^^^