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Gen. Stanley McChrystal coming to Washington to explain anti-administration comments
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By Ernesto Londoño and Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, June 22, 2010; 9:52 AM


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KABUL -- The top U.S. general in Afghanistan was summoned to Washington for a White House meeting after apologizing Tuesday for flippant and dismissive remarks about top Obama administration officials involved in Afghanistan policy.

The remarks in an article in this week's Rolling Stone magazine are certain to increase tension between the White House and Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal.

The profile of McChrystal, , titled the "Runaway General," also raises fresh questions about the judgment and leadership style of the commander appointed by President Obama last year in an effort to turn around a worsening conflict.

McChrystal and some of his senior advisers are quoted criticizing top administration officials, at times in starkly derisive terms. An anonymous McChrystal aide is quoted as calling national security adviser James L. Jones a "clown," who remains "stuck in 1985."

Referring to Richard C. Holbrooke, Obama's senior envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, one McChrystal aide is quoted as saying: "The Boss says he's like a wounded animal. Holbrooke keeps hearing rumors that he's going to get fired, so that makes him dangerous."

On one occasion, McChrystal appears to react with exasperation when he receives an e-mail from Holbrooke. "Oh, not another e-mail from Holbrooke," McChrystal says, according to the article. "I don't even want to read it."

U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan Karl W. Eikenberry, a retired three-star general, isn't spared. Referring to a leaked cable from Eikenberry that expressed concerns about the trustworthiness of Afghan President Hamid Karzai, McChrystal is quoted as having said: "Here's one that covers his flank for the history books. Now if we fail, they can say, 'I told you so.' "

The magazine hits newsstands Friday and could be posted online earlier in the week. The Washington Post received an advance copy of the article from its author, Michael Hastings, a freelance journalist who has written for The Post.

"I extend my sincerest apology for this profile," McChrystal said in a statement issued Tuesday morning. "It was a mistake reflecting poor judgment and it should have never happened."

McChrystal's civilian press aide, Duncan Boothby, submitted his resignation Tuesday as a result of the article, according to an official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

A U.S. Embassy spokeswoman said she had no immediate comment on the piece.

The story features an exchange in which McChrystal and some of his aides appear to mock Vice President Biden, who opposed McChrystal's troop surge recommendation last year and instead urged a more focused emphasis on counterterrorism operations.

"Are you asking me about Vice President Biden?" McChrystal asks the profile's reporter at one point, laughing. "Who's that?"

"Biden?" an unnamed aide is quoted as saying. "Did you say Bite me?"

Lt. Col. Joseph Breasseale, a U.S. military spokesman, said McChrystal called Biden and other senior administration officials Tuesday morning (Monday evening in Washington) in reference to the article. "After these discussions, he decided to travel to the U.S. for a meeting," the spokesman said in an e-mail.

Officials in Washington who were familiar with the situation said the general apologized during the phone call. Biden has been highly skeptical of McChrystal's insistence that more troops be sent to Afghanistan.

McChrystal's remarks were made public on the eve of the president's monthly meeting with his top advisers on Afghanistan, which is scheduled to take place on Wednesday. McChrystal typically joins that meeting by a secure videoconference from Afghanistan, but he was summoned to Washington to participate directly and explain his remarks, a senior administration official said Tuesday morning.

The meeting, which includes Biden and many of the other advisers whom McChrystal or his staff mocked in the article, is likely to be tense as the general attempts to make amends in person.

It is not the first time that McChrystal has been dressed down by Obama. Shortly after the general's assessment of the situation in Afghanistan was made public last year, McChrystal gave a speech in London in which he publicly criticized those who advocated a scaled-back effort in Afghanistan.

Those comments were widely seen as being directed against Biden, who had promoted an approach in the country focused on targeting terrorists more narrowly. After that speech, an angry Obama summoned McChrystal to a face-to-face meeting on Air Force One in Copenhagen, where Obama had arrived to pitch Chicago's Olympic bid.

White House officials declined to comment publicly Tuesday morning, but the latest public relations blunder by McChrystal was viewed as sure to further strain his relationship with a president who puts a premium on message discipline and loyalty.

The timing of the piece could hardly be worse. Amid a flurry of bad news in Afghanistan and a jump in NATO casualties, U.S. lawmakers and senior officials from NATO allied countries are asking increasingly sharp questions about the U.S.-led war strategy.

Dutch and Canadian troops are scheduled to pull out within the next year. And the White House has said it will start drawing down U.S. forces next July.

(Photos of recent troop activities in Kandahar, Afghanistan)

The magazine story shows that McChrystal is also facing criticism from some of his own troops, who have grown frustrated with new rules that force commanders be extraordinarily judicious in using lethal force.

A few weeks ago, according to the magazine, the general traveled to a small outpost in Kandahar province, in southern Afghanistan, to meet with a unit of soldiers reeling from the loss of a comrade, 23-year-old Cpl. Michael Ingram.

The corporal was killed in a booby-trapped house that some of the unit's commanders had unsuccessfully sought permission to blow up.

One soldier at the outpost showed Hastings, who was traveling with the general, a written directive instructing troops to "patrol only in areas that you are reasonably certain that you will not have to defend yourself with lethal force."

During a tense meeting with Ingram's platoon, one sergeant tells McChrystal: "Sir, some of the guys here, sir, think we're losing, sir."


McChrystal has championed a counterinsurgency strategy that prioritizes protecting the population as a means to marginalize and ultimately defeat the insurgency. Because new rules sharply restrict the circumstances under which airstrikes and other lethal operations that have resulted in civilian casualties can be conducted, some soldiers say the strategy has left them more exposed.

June is on track to be the deadliest month for NATO troops in Afghanistan since the war began nearly nine years ago. At least 63 NATO troops have been killed so far this month, including 10 who died Monday in a helicopter crash and a series of attacks.

In his statement, McChrystal says he has "enormous respect and admiration for President Obama and his national security team."

"Throughout my career, I have lived by the principles of personal honor and professional integrity," the general said. "What is reflected in this article falls far short of that standard."

More Washington Post coverage of Afghanistan:

The divide between Eikenberry and McChrystal has a long history.

Congressional investigators recently found that the U.S. military is paying millions of dollars in warlords in Afghanistan.

Wikileaks.org says they are about to release combat footage from Afghanistan.

Britain's special representative to Afghanistan has resigned and the British government is reviewing whether to fill the job.

The Kandahar offensive will take months longer than originally planned.

Shear reported from Washington.

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Unbelievable.  This family of the corporal should find out whoever denied the blowing up of that house and  . . . . . . . .

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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2010, 07:07:16 AM »
The magazine story shows that McChrystal is also facing criticism from some of his own troops, who have grown frustrated with new rules that force commanders be extraordinarily judicious in using lethal force.

A few weeks ago, according to the magazine, the general traveled to a small outpost in Kandahar province, in southern Afghanistan, to meet with a unit of soldiers reeling from the loss of a comrade, 23-year-old Cpl. Michael Ingram.

The corporal was killed in a booby-trapped house that some of the unit's commanders had unsuccessfully sought permission to blow up.

One soldier at the outpost showed Hastings, who was traveling with the general, a written directive instructing troops to "patrol only in areas that you are reasonably certain that you will not have to defend yourself with lethal force."

During a tense meeting with Ingram's platoon, one sergeant tells McChrystal: "Sir, some of the guys here, sir, think we're losing, sir."


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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2010, 07:55:29 AM »
Pretty ridiculous, to say the least. There was a story a couple weeks ago that soldiers in certain areas have to patrol without rounds in the chambers of their guns to try win hearts and minds over. Seems like the people in Washington are trying to get as many Americans killed as they can. ::)

Meanwhile, we keep dumping $10+ billion a year into the fucking terrorist state of Pakistan while they're waging a terrorist campaign against us and leading the Afghan Taliban with 7 ISI agents on its leadership council. 

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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2010, 08:01:03 AM »
If I had a family member killed like that corporal was, I personally would want to go and take out whoever denied the order.  Let the chips fall where they may.   If I did 15 -20 years, who cares. 


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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2010, 08:02:45 AM »
If I had a family member killed like that corporal was, I personally would want to go and take out whoever denied the order.  Let the chips fall where they may.   If I did 15 -20 years, who cares.  



Should just stick to black ops shit that can be denied. None of this pussyfooting around an enemy that has never heard of the ROE or Geneva and commits war crimes almost every time they do something.  ::)

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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2010, 08:05:15 AM »
Should just stick to black ops shit that can be denied. None of this pussyfooting around an enemy that has never heard of the ROE or Geneva and commits war crimes almost every time they do something.  ::)

If we are going to do shit like this to be pc, we need to bering everyone home asap.  I don't want one soldier dead to those barbarians all because we have to be pussies. 

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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2010, 08:28:57 AM »
The left has no plan when it comes to a solvent war strategy. Say what you want about Bush, he took care of sh!t when it came to the war on terror. Ok, I get it.. mistakes were made when OBL escaped. I get it. But in contrast, OBL was not offered to Bush like he was to Clinton by the Saudi's. Clinton flately declined saying; "it would be a political hot potato to hold him without charges". All this AFTER the embassy bombing at the hands of this man.
Bush's plan was to pay off war lords and tribal leaders to capture OBL. Special forces were to infultrate and capture him. This was a mistake because they took the millions handed to them and let him slip out the back. Live and learn. Hey, I actually think OBL is dead anyway... but that's just me.

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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2010, 08:31:20 AM »
The RATS are all leaving this shit show.  Rahm will be gone, orzag, McChrystal, etal. 

you watch, Hillary will resign and challenge ZERO in a primary. 

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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2010, 08:39:36 AM »
The RATS are all leaving this shit show.  Rahm will be gone, orzag, McChrystal, etal. 

you watch, Hillary will resign and challenge ZERO in a primary. 
Oh, we can only dream.  ;)

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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2010, 08:42:02 AM »
Oh, we can only dream.  ;)

Hillary is no prize but she couldnt be worse than this. 

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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2010, 09:00:42 AM »
The left has no plan when it comes to a solvent war strategy. Say what you want about Bush, he took care of sh!t when it came to the war on terror.

 ::) Talk about revisionism.

Secondly, this is largely a pr war now, so limiting civilian casualties is vital. I don't like seeing our soldiers die, but I don't like war, period. They are soldiers in a voluntary enlistment army and there will be casualties. Winning "hearts and minds" is just as important, if not more, as security efforts in toppling the Taliban. The times when the Taliban was at its weakest have had a lot to do with pr outreach.

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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2010, 09:03:02 AM »
::) Talk about revisionism.

Secondly, this is largely a pr war now, so limiting civilian casualties is vital. I don't like seeing our soldiers die, but I don't like war, period. They are soldiers in a voluntary enlistment army and there will be casualties. Winning "hearts and minds" is just as important, if not more, as security efforts in toppling the Taliban. The times when the Taliban was at its weakest have had a lot to do with pr outreach.

 ::)  ::) 

If we are not winning hearts and minds with .308's, .223's. mortars, JDAMS, etc we need to get the hell out there. 

Send in Oprah and Ellen if you want to win hears and minds, not soldiers. 

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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2010, 09:40:48 AM »
::)  ::) 

If we are not winning hearts and minds with .308's, .223's. mortars, JDAMS, etc we need to get the hell out there. 
 
True, but upping the Afghan mortality rate is not going to win this war.

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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2010, 09:44:18 AM »
True, but upping the Afghan mortality rate is not going to win this war.

I have a lot of military buddies.  They are trained to break things and kill people, not play oprah on the couch. 

The military are not the hearts and minds types. 

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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2010, 09:48:35 AM »
For the good of the country McChrystal needs to be replaced.  It's obvious there are differences between the admin and him and it's not going to get any better.  Time for Obama to step up and appoint someone who he gets along with. 
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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2010, 09:51:42 AM »
KC, I agree, but that story about the corporal made me want to vomit thinking of that family reading about this. 

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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2010, 09:54:45 AM »
KC, I agree, but that story about the corporal made me want to vomit thinking of that family reading about this. 

I think most families feel sick regarding the death of their loved ones.  I'm sure there have been many deaths which potentially could have been avoided by blowing something up or driving on a different road, not releasing someone etc.  It's part of the unpredictability of war.  Mistakes happen, lives are lost.  It's the cost of battle and human error.  It's been happening ever since the first war between men. 
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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2010, 09:58:45 AM »
I think most families feel sick regarding the death of their loved ones.  I'm sure there have been many deaths which potentially could have been avoided by blowing something up or driving on a different road, not releasing someone etc.  It's part of the unpredictability of war.  Mistakes happen, lives are lost.  It's the cost of battle and human error.  It's been happening ever since the first war between men. 

True, but to me it never gets old or mundane.  I just imagine a grieving family reading that maybe their loved one could be alive but for aosmeone holding back an order, etc.  And I know its on both sides and their loved ones as well. 

I am of the Patton mind set.  Either go in and do what you have to do as fast and powerful as possible to get it over with as soon as possible or don't do it at all.   

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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2010, 10:04:07 AM »
True, but to me it never gets old or mundane.  I just imagine a grieving family reading that maybe their loved one could be alive but for aosmeone holding back an order, etc.  And I know its on both sides and their loved ones as well. 

I am of the Patton mind set.  Either go in and do what you have to do as fast and powerful as possible to get it over with as soon as possible or don't do it at all.   

I'm sure Patton made mistakes too that cost lives.  All generals do.  The family might be mad he's even at war over there i know lots seem to be.  It's a sad reality of war and it's important that all Americans hear about the sacrifice being made whether they agree with the reasons for going or not. 

Hindsight is 20/20 when the troops first went in there was thousands of civilian casualties, how many Americans have died at the hands of those seeking revenge for their loved ones? 
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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2010, 10:17:12 AM »
For the good of the country McChrystal needs to be replaced.  It's obvious there are differences between the admin and him and it's not going to get any better.  Time for Obama to step up and appoint someone who he gets along with. 

So another parrot to play a more active role in getting Americans killed? Yes, that's exactly what we need.  ::)

Obama sat there and applauded Calderon as he railed against America and then has the gall to piss and moan when a general tells it like it is. So much for freedom of speech.

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« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2010, 10:51:11 AM »
So another parrot to play a more active role in getting Americans killed? Yes, that's exactly what we need.  ::)

Obama sat there and applauded Calderon as he railed against America and then has the gall to piss and moan when a general tells it like it is. So much for freedom of speech.

Yeah okay lets have two people at odds with each other in a position of high importance.  Good move BF.  If two high level people can't get along (and it seems they can't) then one of them has to go.  It isn't going to be Obama yet so McChrystal is the only alternative.  Debate and disagreements are good, bad blood is not. 
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Re: Check this S$%%^ out with McChrystal, Obama, and the War.
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2010, 12:21:27 PM »
Still another reason why I don't like the media.  What exactly did McChrystal (as opposed to his "aides") say that was so offensive?

Obama 'angry' after reading general's controversial remarks
By the CNN Wire Staff
June 22, 2010

(CNN) -- President Barack Obama was "angry" after reading Gen. Stanley McChrystal's controversial remarks about colleagues in a Rolling Stone article, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday.

The "magnitude and graveness" of McChrystal's mistake in conducting the interview for the article were "profound," Gibbs said.

He noted that McChrystal has been recalled to Washington to participate in a Wednesday planning meeting on strategy in Afghanistan and Pakistan and, more to the point, to explain his actions to Obama. McChrystal will have the president's "undivided attention," Gibbs said. Obama "looks forward to speaking with him ... about what's in the article."

Gibbs refused to speculate on McChrystal's fate, but said the White House will "have more to say after that meeting." Several top officials have strongly criticized McChrystal, but they said it will ultimately be up to Obama to decide the general's fate.

McChrystal apologized Tuesday for the profile, in which the general and his staff appear to mock top civilian officials, including the vice president. Two defense officials said the general has also fired a press aide over the article, set to appear in Friday's edition of Rolling Stone magazine.

"I extend my sincerest apology for this profile. It was a mistake reflecting poor judgment and should never have happened," McChrystal said in a Pentagon statement. "Throughout my career, I have lived by the principles of personal honor and professional integrity. What is reflected in this article falls far short of that standard."

In the profile, author Michael Hastings writes that McChrystal and his staff had imagined ways of dismissing Vice President Joe Biden with a one-liner as they prepared for a question-and-answer session in Paris in April. The general had grown tired of questions about Biden since earlier dismissing a counterterrorism strategy the vice president had offered.

"'Are you asking about Vice President Biden?' McChrystal says with a laugh. 'Who's that?'"

"'Biden?' suggests a top adviser. 'Did you say: Bite Me?'"

McChrystal does not directly criticize Obama in the article, but Hastings writes that the general and Obama "failed to connect" from the outset after the president took office. Sources familiar with the meeting said McChrystal thought Obama looked "uncomfortable and intimidated" by the room full of top military officials, according to the article.

Later, McChrystal's first one-on-one meeting with Obama "was a 10-minute photo op," Hastings writes, quoting an adviser to McChrystal. "Obama clearly didn't know anything about him, who he was. Here's the guy who's going to run his f---ing war, but he didn't seem very engaged. The Boss (McChrystal) was disappointed."

The article goes on to paint McChrystal as a man who "has managed to piss off almost everyone with a stake in the conflict," including U.S. Ambassador Karl Eikenberry, Special Representative to Afghanistan Richard Holbrooke and National Security Adviser Jim Jones. Obama is not named as one of McChrystal's "team of rivals."

Of Eikenberry, who railed against McChrystal's strategy in Afghanistan in a cable leaked to The New York Times in January, the general is quoted as saying, "'Here's one that covers his flank for the history books. Now if we fail, they can say, "I told you so.'"

Hastings writes in the profile that McChrystal has a "special skepticism" for Holbrooke, the official in charge of reintegrating Taliban members into Afghan society and the administration's point man for Afghanistan and Pakistan.

"At one point on his trip to Paris, McChrystal checks his BlackBerry, according to the article. 'Oh, not another e-mail from Holbrooke,' he groans. 'I don't even want to open it.' He clicks on the message and reads the salutation out loud, then stuffs the BlackBerry back in his pocket, not bothering to conceal his annoyance.

"'Make sure you don't get any of that on your leg,' an aide jokes, referring to the e-mail."

The White House did not immediately issue public comment on the article. Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry, D-Massachusetts, weighed in, however. Addressing the controversy at the start of a committee hearing on another subject, Kerry said his "impression is that all of us would be best served by just backing off and staying cool and calm and not sort of succumbing to the normal Washington twitter about this for the next 24 hours."

McChrystal is "a terrific soldier," Kerry said. But ultimately "it will be up to the president of the United States, as commander in chief" to decide how to respond.

Sens. John McCain of Arizona, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Joe Lieberman of Connecticut and Jim Webb of Virginia -- key senators on defense and foreign policy issues -- were all strongly critical of McChrystal's remarks, but noted that the general's future is a decision for Obama to make.

A U.S. military official said Tuesday that McChrystal has spoken to Biden, Defense Secretary Robert Gates, Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Adm. Mike Mullen and other officials referenced in the story, including Holbrooke, Eikenberry and Jones.

An official at the U.S. Embassy in Kabul said Eikenberry and McChrystal "are both fully committed" to Obama's Afghan strategy and are working together to "implement" the plan. "We have seen the article and General McChrystal has already spoken to it," according to a statement from an embassy official, making reference to McChrystal's apology.

"I have enormous respect and admiration for President Obama and his national security team, and for the civilian leaders and troops fighting this war and I remain committed to ensuring its successful outcome," McChrystal said in the closing to his apology.

Rolling Stone Executive Editor Eric Bates, however, struck a less optimistic tone during an interview with CNN Tuesday.

The comments made by McChrystal and other top military aides during the interview were "not off the cuff remarks," he said. They "knew what they were doing when they granted the access." The story shows "a deep division" and "war within the administration" over strategy in Afghanistan, he contended.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/06/22/general.mcchrystal.obama.apology/index.html?hpt=T2

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Re: Check this S$%%^ out with McChrystal, Obama, and the War.
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2010, 01:49:23 PM »
Don't Blame McChrystal, Blame Obama
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Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:22:42 PM by Qbert

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Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal should not lose his job because of the article about him in Rolling Stone magazine. If anyone deserves blame for the latest airing of the administration’s internal feuds over Afghanistan, it is President Obama.

For months Obama has tolerated deep divisions between his military and civilian aides over how to implement the counterinsurgency strategy he announced last December. The divide has made it practically impossible to fashion a coherent politico-military plan, led to frequent disputes over tactics and contributed to a sharp deterioration in the administration’s relations with Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

The virtue of the Rolling Stone article is that Obama may finally have to confront the trouble. But the dismissal of McChrystal would be the wrong outcome. It could spell disaster for the military campaign he is now overseeing in southern Afghanistan, and it would reward those in the administration who have been trying to undermine him, including through media leaks of their own.

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Nor is McChrystal the only participant in the feuding who has gone public with his argument. A scathing memo by Eikenberry describing Karzai as an unreliable partner was leaked to the press last fall. At a White House press briefing during Karzai’s visit to Washington last month, the ambassador pointedly refused to endorse the Afghan leader he must work with.

Biden, for his part, gave an interview to Newsweek’s Jonathan Alter in which he said that in July of next year “you are going to see a whole lot of [U.S. troops] moving out.” Yet as Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates tartly pointed out over the weekend, “that absolutely has not been decided.” Instead, Biden was pushing his personal version of the strategy Obama approved, which calls for the beginning of withdrawals next year...


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Re: Check this S$%%^ out with McChrystal, Obama, and the War.
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2010, 02:00:05 PM »
Some people say he's right, others wrong.  The central problem is the bad blood between the president and McChrystal.  McChrystal must be fired whether this is his fault or not.  The relationship was rocky at best and this is only going to make it worse. 
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FLASH: According to an unnamed source 'Gen. McChrystal has submitted his resignation'
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Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:48:36 PM by traumer

- Joe Klein on Rick Sanchez, CNN... Developing...


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