BREAKING: Federal Judge Blocks Obama drilling moritorium. (Yes! FFUUBBOO!!)

[Fury]

I like how people conveniently ignore the fact that countries like China have continued drilling in the Gulf unhindered since this accident. Why should we be any different?

[BM OUT]

the point is that at SOME POINT in US history, we will leave oil.

Something will happen.  Someone will design a better fuel.  Solar or wind or water will become efficient enough.  Nanotech will finally be ready.  Just because a lawyer and powerlifter and web designer on a message board in 2010 can't imagine a world without oil - it will one day be a reality, whether we like it or not.


What will lead to this change?  maybe it'll be better technology from the major energy companies.  maybe it'll be some major accident like a gusher leaking for 2 or 3 years straight and destroying a big chunk of the ocean and atmosphere.  Maybe it'll be some kid in his bedroom with a chemistry set or some mechanic in his garage.

it'll happen eventually.  And those workers will eventually find new jobs.  I'm sure there were lots of shoe repairmen and horse buggy repairmen and other fine americans whose jobs were obsolenced by better technology.  I'm sure there were slave ship captains and slave auctioneers who lost their jobs in 1865 due to political changes.  

I don't understand the pity for workers who chose to work for the by-far most careless comapny in the world, digging a hle a mile in the earth that nobody can stop.  The ocean may die, we all may die from this shit - and you're upset we're stopping the deep oil digging.  You can't tell us when this hole will stop - but you sure know you want more holes dug.  What kinda shit is that?

So,because BP was stupid,we should punnish ALL companies in the gulf.Great logic.

[Soul Crusher]

Thats alls im sayin...3333 would disagree with obama if he said the sky was blue...just because it was obama that said...

Oh please Mal, give it up.  When this asshole you supported does something half way decent i will appluad it, but so far he is a disaster.

He truly is far worse than even I imagined.  Every day is a disgraceful new episode from this community agitator.  

  

[kcballer]

Wind is unreliable and needs to be backed up by either nuclear or coal fired plants.  We are not building any new nuclear power plants to my knoweldge to make any real difference.  

You cant power trains, ships, planes, cities, etc on wond.  That's a pipe dream.  

may want to research that one 333 wind can be more than viable 

[Fury]

may want to research that one 333 wind can be more than viable 

It's worth destroying millions of acres of land with grotesque windmills to scrape together the required power for a city. 

[BM OUT]

It's worth destroying millions of acres of land with grotesque windmills to scrape together the required power for a city. 

And incredibly EVERYTIME wind is proposed its LIBS who shoot it down.From Kennedy to Feinstein.They love wind just not in THEIR hood.

[Soul Crusher]

Hey Big mal - can you give me a few things you think I should applaud Obama about? 

[240 is Back]

I'm saying we just had a huge wakeup call that the sort of technology BP is using is OUT OF CONTROL.  We simply cannot control it when it bursts.  

UNTIL we have the technology to do so, I don't know how any rational human being is defending it.  They're digging a hole (amidst hundreds of safety violations) that spits out oil at such a pressure, no machine on earth can stop it.  All we can do it try to put another hole in the ground, or wait for it to run out.  

We don't know how much oil is coming out of there.  If it runs for 100 years, the earth dies, nobody here can deny that.  If it runs until today and stops, millions of fish die, but that's it.

The sad reality is that it will run some amount of days in the middle, and nobody on the planet can say how many days that'll be.  To argue "yes, we should be unsafely dabbling with many more holes of oil we can't control" is lunacy.

let's talk in a month or a year, if that shit is still leaking.  When milllions of people from the gulf states (including the illegals!) are moving to your neck of the woods fellahs.  When your tax dolalrs are all sent to the south to help deal with the mess.  When it starts to affect you, then you'll give a shit.  until then, it's just a little corporate accident, and obama sucks, right guys?  

[kcballer]

We have combustable engines.Its what runs the entire nation,PERIOD!!!!!Electric cars go for 100 miles then you need to recharge for 5 hours.Great.Electric cars wont generate enough power to move.In case your not aware,trucks transport EVERYTHING we eat,we buy,we need.wITHOUT OIL THEY DONT RUN,THE COUNTRY SHUTS DOWN.

To 240,so when they develope that THEN they can lose their jobs.They shouldnt lose their jobs because an idiot community organiser  has his tongue up enviro kooks asses.

We have combustible engines because there has never been an economic or environmental incentive to change.  People have been happy to pay ever increasing oil prices, happy to continue to lessen our air quality and damage our atmosphere.  

I'm not saying we need to make this change overnight, but the idea that we can keep drilling to fulfill our ever growing needs to outdated.  We have either passed peak oil or are going to soon.  Any president democrat or republican who doesn't look to change this dependence is doing this country a major disservice.  

A large % of our oil comes from Canada and the oil sands.  It's basically sucking oil out of sand, that's how low we've sunk in this quest.  It's not profitable to suck oil out of sand, that's the equivalent of a drunk sucking spilled alcohol out of a gutter on a Saturday night.  

Innovation and investment in alternative fuel sources and energy are what is needed.  

[kcballer]

It's worth destroying millions of acres of land with grotesque windmills to scrape together the required power for a city. 

false, it doesn't destroy millions of acres of land.  Plus there are major wind currents off shore, we have the technology to build platforms to drill miles below the surface, why not for wind farms offshore?  There is more than enough power there.  Not to mention Nuclear tech with a 4th generation reactor will have the potential to recycle it's waste products. 

All it takes is investment.

[Fury]

I'm saying we just had a huge wakeup call that the sort of technology BP is using is OUT OF CONTROL.  We simply cannot control it when it bursts.  

UNTIL we have the technology to do so, I don't know how any rational human being is defending it.  They're digging a hole (amidst hundreds of safety violations) that spits out oil at such a pressure, no machine on earth can stop it.  All we can do it try to put another hole in the ground, or wait for it to run out.  

We don't know how much oil is coming out of there.  If it runs for 100 years, the earth dies, nobody here can deny that.  If it runs until today and stops, millions of fish die, but that's it.

The sad reality is that it will run some amount of days in the middle, and nobody on the planet can say how many days that'll be.  To argue "yes, we should be unsafely dabbling with many more holes of oil we can't control" is lunacy.

let's talk in a month or a year, if that shit is still leaking.  When milllions of people from the gulf states (including the illegals!) are moving to your neck of the woods fellahs.  When your tax dolalrs are all sent to the south to help deal with the mess.  When it starts to affect you, then you'll give a shit.  until then, it's just a little corporate accident, and obama sucks, right guys?  

Because rigs are blowing up all over the gulf, right?  

I've got to say, it's kind of bittersweet that you're now crying about the oil on your shores. Where were you the first 50+ days of this? Oh, that's right, busy slumping for Obama's handling of this mess. LOL.

[240 is Back]

Because rigs are blowing up all over the gulf, right? 

I've got to say, it's kind of bittersweet that you're now crying about the oil on your shores. Where were you the first 50+ days of this? Oh, that's right, busy slumping for Obama's handling of this mess. LOL.

So how do you feel about a company who cares as little about safety as BP being able to dig holes that mankind cannot put out?

Do you support it?  yes or no?

[Fury]

So how do you feel about a company who cares as little about safety as BP being able to dig holes that mankind cannot put out?

Do you support it?  yes or no?

Why are other companies being punished for BP's fuck-up?

Unfortunately for you, I'm not buying into the newest CT fad of this well never being plugged. All the experts and scientists have said that the relief wells being dug will stop it. I'll reserve judgement until August when they're finished. Your scare tactics amount to little more than propaganda.

[240 is Back]

Because rigs are blowing up all over the gulf, right?  

I've got to say, it's kind of bittersweet that you're now crying about the oil on your shores. Where were you the first 50+ days of this? Oh, that's right, busy slumping for Obama's handling of this mess. LOL.

um, 50 days ago, I didn't know it was possible for BP to dig a hole that could possibly kill 6 billion people.  I don't think anyone here knew it was possible.

Now we have our leaders saying "Pray for a miracle".  

i'd be fine with Obama saying "look, we all had our heads up our ass, but now we see it's a technology that's just too dangerous without the safety technology in place.  BP, come back and drill once you can 100% prevent any of these holes from opening up again!"

[Fury]

um, 50 days ago, I didn't know it was possible for BP to dig a hole that could possibly kill 6 billion people.  I don't think anyone here knew it was possible.

Now we have our leaders saying "Pray for a miracle".  

i'd be fine with Obama saying "look, we all had our heads up our ass, but now we see it's a technology that's just too dangerous without the safety technology in place.  BP, come back and drill once you can 100% prevent any of these holes from opening up again!"

I hate to break it to you, but we're not the only country who drills in the gulf. And as far as I know, not a single country besides us has stopped drilling. Time to leave Candy Land and step back into reality.

Amazing how quickly your tune changed when the oil washed up on Florida shores. It's so fucking ironic that I can't help but laugh at your defending of Obama's handling of this crisis 2 months ago.

People need to shut the fuck up with the fear mongering until the relief wells are finished. It's getting ridiculous at this point.

[240 is Back]

Why are other companies being punished for BP's fuck-up?

Unfortunately for you, I'm not buying into the newest CT fad of this well never being plugged. All the experts and scientists have said that the relief wells being dug will stop it. I'll reserve judgement until August when they're finished. Your scare tactics amount to little more than propaganda.

It's not CT stuff when many of the people saying it are the top science minds in the world, on mainstream news saying it.  

it's not CT stuff when the first 6 or 8 solutions have all failed.  

The relief wells is the 'latest theory' of what will work.  Dude, I'm not fearmongering, I'm really worried.  I see nothing wrong with suspending deep drilling for eery company - until each company can demonstrate they have the technology to stop such a leak.  FOUR MONTHS to dig a relief well, if all is 100% by plan, is too long for most ppl.

[Soul Crusher]

So how do you feel about a company who cares as little about safety as BP being able to dig holes that mankind cannot put out?

Do you support it?  yes or no?

I feel that it reflects the failure of the boy wonder in waiving the epa requirements for BP for this very, who had over 700 safety violations, while the others had almost none at all, most likely because they were close to obama via podesta and their kneepadding crap & tax, the stim bill, etc.    

[240 is Back]

and yes, obama should kick the other countries out of the Gulf.  Call it a matter of nat'l security, whatever.  boot them.  


I pray a relief well works.  I'm sure it will.  But if it doesn't, it could be the end of the planet.  Seriously.  We're dabbling with a science so damn dangerous that we just can't stop the leak and it might go 100 years (if the relief well doesn't work).


And keep in mind, the same ppl saying the relief well will work, were also the ones telling us top hat would work, junk shot would work, etc....

[Al Doggity]

It's not CT stuff when many of the people saying it are the top science minds in the world, on mainstream news saying it.  

it's not CT stuff when the first 6 or 8 solutions have all failed.  

The relief wells is the 'latest theory' of what will work.  Dude, I'm not fearmongering, I'm really worried.  I see nothing wrong with suspending deep drilling for eery company - until each company can demonstrate they have the technology to stop such a leak.  FOUR MONTHS to dig a relief well, if all is 100% by plan, is too long for most ppl.

Q for mothafuckin' T! I don't think a lot of people have been following exactly how this happened and how it was basically inevitable.

I doubt Obama is too broken up about the recension. It was a political move anyway and this allows him to move on to business as usual while also looking like the good guy.

[Fury]

It's not CT stuff when many of the people saying it are the top science minds in the world, on mainstream news saying it.  

it's not CT stuff when the first 6 or 8 solutions have all failed.  

The relief wells is the 'latest theory' of what will work.  Dude, I'm not fearmongering, I'm really worried.  I see nothing wrong with suspending deep drilling for eery company - until each company can demonstrate they have the technology to stop such a leak.  FOUR MONTHS to dig a relief well, if all is 100% by plan, is too long for most ppl.

Latest theory? Most experts from day one have said that was the only solution that would work and that nothing up until that point would do anything, which seems to be panning out. I like the spin job you're trying to pull here.

There are dozens upon dozens of experts that said the relief well will work. Now that some CT sites and a few dissenting opinions are claiming that it won't (for whatever reason), it's apparently the end of the world as the oil will now flow for 5,000,000,000 years! What a joke.

But you're worried now, are you? Where were you the first 50 fucking days? You were busy defending Obama's disastrous handling of the clean-up. Now you're worried because the oil showed up on your shores. I feel as sympathetic for that as you did for the people in Louisiana who had to deal with the oil on their shores a month ago.

I don't see the point in stopping drilling when other countries are doing it right now in the gulf. Are you going to hold a gun to China's head (or whatever country you pick) and demand they stop drilling in areas we have no control over? 

[dario73]

Hey Big mal - can you give me a few things you think I should applaud Obama about? 

Crickets. Dumb mal, I mean "big" mal can't come up with a single thing. Thread over.

[240 is Back]

I mean, of course obama is using this crisis to push thru his own silly green agenda, I'm not arguing that.  This might get cap/trade passed when it was doomed otherwise.

But politics aside - we're looking at a technology without an off switch.  There's a reason God put that oil under a mile of water and a mile of rock - it doesn't belong on the surface.  

Man doesn't have the technology to stop it.  Now, I'm all for drilling in ANWR and alaska and everywhere else.  I dont want it in my yard, but I don't give a shit about that.  I think global warming/manmade like Palin suggested is a load of shit.

But I do think we're playing with fire here.  If this is what it takes to PAUSE the practice until we get a vacuum that can get 100% of the oil, or until we have a better system for capping a broken well, so be it.  

nothing wrong with drilling deep either - Once it is safe.  it's just not safe yet, that's the bottom line.  let BP put their brain cells toegether for a year in the lab, and come up with some solution for when these things do break.  Waiting 4 months for a relief well?  Shit, you'd better install a relief well before you take the first drop of oil.  Hell, put in TWO of them!  

[Soul Crusher]

Obama said he supported it because he claimed it was safe.  Was he lying 240? 

[240 is Back]

Obama said he supported it because he claimed it was safe.  Was he lying 240? 

maybe.  probably!

i had no clue, 2 months ago, that we had oil that deep without an off switch.  I thought 'unsafe' meant a big explosion - not a 4-month leak (at best!)

The more I read, the more baffled I am by it.  Digging something you can't stop, for 120 days (at best).  it's baffling.

[BM OUT]

Whats funny is that if Obama is successfull in stopping  the drilling,the oil companies will pack up their shit and go elsewhere and we will get raped on oil and gas prices.By then there will be a republican president and 240 will be on here bitching about gas prices and saying republicans suck.Its all pretty pathetic how libs are.Yhey just HATE the private sector and ESPECIALLY big oil,but all of them love cheap gas.