BREAKING: Federal Judge Blocks Obama drilling moritorium. (Yes! FFUUBBOO!!)

[kcballer]

before I can make any assessment on the stim bill, i'd need to see a list of all of its goals, then how many of them were achieved.

I consider the Iraq war to be a success.  We got saddam out, got the dollar back to their oil, got bases, etc.  Did we achieve every goal for teh war?  Goodness no!  It took years longer than expected, with way more casualties.  it's still a WIN, even if it was only 60% or 80% of the goals desired, in way longer.

I think the stim bill may be the same way.  The dollar is safe, the banks are still in business.  Job losses have reversed since it passed.  We're in the POSITIVE job growth now.  Sure, the white house didn't get the UE numbers it desired, so maybe the bill is only an 80% success.  Still, if we're going to call iraq a win even though it took 6 years instead of 6 months, or because it might have cost a trillion instead of being funded by oil revenues... even being 6 years and a trillion bucks off, it's still a SUCCESS.

You can't fight the logic of 333.  By his standards the govt should have done nothing, let the banks fail (freezing credit even worse) let the automakers fail (moving millions of people into joblessness) and not given an extension of welfare for those left job less.  

This was his solution.  One that would have destroyed this country and sent it back to the stone age economically.  Sure some would survive just as they did with the stimulus but the financial pain would have been far greater than trillions in debt, it would have been the bankruptcy of a nation.

[240 is Back]

It would be a success if it fixed the economy like they said it would. To this point, it hasn't done anything at all and the economy is just as bad, if not worse, than it was before they pushed it through.

Was "fix the economy" one of the stated goals?  Sounds very vague.  Shame on obama if he used such wording.  

[Fury]

Was "fix the economy" one of the stated goals?  Sounds very vague.  Shame on obama if he used such wording.  

Alright, slick. How about the jobs he promised it would create? To this point, he's WELL short of that and the clock is ticking. 

[Fury]

You can't fight the logic of 333.  By his standards the govt should have done nothing, let the banks fail (freezing credit even worse) let the automakers fail (moving millions of people into joblessness) and not given an extension of welfare for those left job less.  

This was his solution.  One that would have destroyed this country and sent it back to the stone age economically.  Sure some would survive just as they did with the stimulus but the financial pain would have been far greater than trillions in debt, it would have been the bankruptcy of a nation.

The bankruptcy of a nation? And yet you think taking on trillions more in debt won't do the same thing? Methinks you don't know what the term "bankruptcy" means.

[Eyeball Chambers]

This is great news.Did you hear the judge yesterday?One of his questions to the Obama regime

Good way to put it...

[kcballer]

The bankruptcy of a nation? And yet you think taking on trillions more in debt won't do the same thing? Methinks you don't know what the term "bankruptcy" means.

It has the potential to but it's holding off certain economic demise in the hope that we will recover and pay it back down.  By giving up or not doing anything you guarantee a collapse from which recovery would be much harder.  

Neither choice is ideal but taking this one was the right move.  

[240 is Back]

Alright, slick. How about the jobs he promised it would create? To this point, he's WELL short of that and the clock is ticking. 

how many jobs did he promise to create?  how many were created?

how many add'l goals of the stim package were stated?

If he missed the # of jobs by 50%, then it's a 50% success, and 50% failure. We'd have to look at the other stated goals of the Stim bill to determine if iit "worked" and succeeded, or not.

If you look at the iraqi war example - it took WAY longer and cost a LOT more than expected, with WAY more casualties.  But even though it failed so many of these goals, in the end, we won, so it was a success.  By that same lax enforcement of rubric/standards, Obama could take 6 years and spend an extra trillion or two, and still turn around the economy, and those people shuld call it a win.

But they won't

[BM OUT]

before I can make any assessment on the stim bill, i'd need to see a list of all of its goals, then how many of them were achieved.

I consider the Iraq war to be a success.  We got saddam out, got the dollar back to their oil, got bases, etc.  Did we achieve every goal for teh war?  Goodness no!  It took years longer than expected, with way more casualties.  it's still a WIN, even if it was only 60% or 80% of the goals desired, in way longer.

I think the stim bill may be the same way.  The dollar is safe, the banks are still in business.  Job losses have reversed since it passed.  We're in the POSITIVE job growth now.  Sure, the white house didn't get the UE numbers it desired, so maybe the bill is only an 80% success.  Still, if we're going to call iraq a win even though it took 6 years instead of 6 months, or because it might have cost a trillion instead of being funded by oil revenues... even being 6 years and a trillion bucks off, it's still a SUCCESS.

The stim bill HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DOLLAR OR BANKS!!!NOTHING!!!!When Aug comes and the temp census jobs are lost UE will be at 10.4% by ANY standard THATS A FAILURE of a bill that was said to be a jobs bill.By the way job losses HAVE NOT REVERSED since it passed.Since it passed we lost 4 million jobs.What are you talking about?

[Soul Crusher]

Judge halts Obama's oil-drilling ban
** FILE ** Vessels operate near the Q4000 drilling rig at the site of the Deepwater Horizon well in the Gulf of Mexico on Sunday, June 13, 2010. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)
By Stephen Dinan

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A federal judge in New Orleans halted President Obama's deepwater drilling moratorium on Tuesday, saying the government never justified the ban and appeared to mislead the public in the wake of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.

Judge Martin L.C. Feldman issued an injunction, saying that the moratorium will hurt drilling-rig operators and suppliers and that the government has not proved an outright ban is needed, rather than a more limited moratorium.

He also said the Interior Department also misstated the opinion of the experts it consulted. Those experts from the National Academy of Engineering have said they don't support the blanket ban.

"Much to the government's discomfort and this Court's uneasiness, the summary also states that 'the recommendations contained in this report have been peer-reviewed by seven experts identified by the National Academy of Engineering.' As the plaintiffs, and the experts themselves, pointedly observe, this statement was misleading," Judge Feldman said in his 22-page ruling.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said the administration will appeal the decision, and said Mr. Obama believes the government must figure out what went wrong with the Deepwater Horizon rig before deepwater drilling goes forward. Still, the ruling is another setback as Mr. Obama seeks to show he's in control of the 2-month-old spill.

Democrats and Republicans from the Gulf states have called on the president to end the blanket moratorium, saying it is hurting the region.

Oil company executives told Congress last week they would have to move their rigs to other countries because they lose up to $1 million a day per idle rig, and said there are opportunities elsewhere.

© Copyright 2010 The Washington Times

[Fury]

The stim bill HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DOLLAR OR BANKS!!!NOTHING!!!!When Aug comes and the temp census jobs are lost UE will be at 10.4% by ANY standard THATS A FAILURE of a bill that was said to be a jobs bill.By the way job losses HAVE NOT REVERSED since it passed.Since it passed we lost 4 million jobs.What are you talking about?

He's trying to lay the groundwork for him getting out of the pandering he did for it. Now we're measuring success in terms of fabricated percentages.

[240 is Back]

The stim bill HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DOLLAR OR BANKS!!!NOTHING!!!!

Oh.  Banks were not affected in any way?  And the dollar didn't lose or gain a bit based upon the printing of 780 billion bucks?

Okay.

[240 is Back]

He's trying to lay the groundwork for him getting out of the pandering he did for it. Now we're measuring success in terms of fabricated percentages.

nah, I just want to see a complete rubric before screaming "FAIL".  

most people would look at a checklist instead of using emotion to make such an evaluation.

Does anyone have that rubric?

I'll have no problem declaring it a failure if the rubric says its a fail.

[240 is Back]

No, it 100% failure.  It means all the money spent created half the jobs it was supposed to.  Where did it go?

Half the jobs - then it could be a failure.  If jobs were the only stated goal.

I'm not trying to be a bitch about it lol, i'll admit if I believe it failed.  However, if it took longer or cost more or didn't achieve every goal - it can still be a success. 

The iraq war was a success.  Even though it wasn't free and completed in 6 weeks, or whatever silly goals they had.  If we can agree with that, even thuogh it took years and tirllions $ more than expected - can we not give the stim bill the same elesticity in goal achievement?  Or is anything less than 100% a fialure? 

if he achieved 98% of the jobs he promised - would it be a failure?

if yes, then Iraq was a failure.
if no, then you much tell me what % between 50 and 98 is considered the cutoff, and why.


It's tricky declaring WIN/LOSE when the benchmarks are vague and not enforced.

[Soul Crusher]

240 - did you see my updated article where the judge said the govt lied ? 

[Soul Crusher]

Unhfreaking real.  These disgusting vermin need to go.  Every last one of these communist pieces of excrement.

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 Salazar seeks to reimpose drilling moratorium
Jun 22 08:23 PM US/Eastern
By ERICA WERNER
Associated Press Writer
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Interior Secretary Ken Salazar says he will issue a new order imposing a moratorium on deepwater drilling after a federal judge struck down the existing one.

Salazar said in a statement Tuesday evening that the new order will contain additional information making clear why the six-month drilling pause was necessary in the wake of the Gulf oil spill. The judge in New Orleans who struck down the moratorium earlier in the day complained there wasn't enough justification for it.

Salazar pointed to indications of inadequate safety precautions by industry on deepwater wells. He said he would issue a new order in the coming days showing that a moratorium is needed.

The White House also is appealing the judge's ruling.

[240 is Back]

Is it a coincidence this judge owns 16 energy stocks, including the firm that built that rig and 2 BP firms?

[Bindare_Dundat]

Is it a coincidence this judge owns 16 energy stocks, including the firm that built that rig and 2 BP firms?

$15,000 worth of energy stocks from 2 years ago. not a big deal unless theres more info.



Obama Administration Knew About  Deepwater Horizon 35,000 Feet Well Bore, Green-Lighted And Fast-Tracked Project

http://www.zerohedge.com/

President Obama and Secretary of Interior Ken Salazar, Secretary of Energy Steven Chu, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates were informed that BP would drill an unprecedented 35,000 feet well bore at the Macondo site off the coast of Louisiana. In September 2009, the Deepwater Horizon successfully sunk a well bore at a depth of 35,055 below sea level at the Tiber Prospect in the Keathley Canyon block 102 in the Gulf of Mexico, southeast of Houston... According to the Wayne Madsen Report (WMR) sources within the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), the Pentagon and Interior and Energy Departments told the Obama Administration that the newly-discovered estimated 3-4 billion barrels of oil in the Gulf of Mexico would cover America's oil needs for up to eight months if there was a military attack on Iran that resulted in the bottling up of the Strait of Hormuz to oil tanker traffic, resulting in a cut-off of oil to the United States from the Persian Gulf. Obama, Salazar, Chu, and Gates green-lighted the risky Macondo drilling operation from the outset, according to WMR's government sources.

[Soul Crusher]

Is it a coincidence this judge owns 16 energy stocks, including the firm that built that rig and 2 BP firms?

Oh GMAFB 240.  WTF is wrong w you lately?  This was an unconstitutional power grab and as a so-called libertarian as you like to call yourself I though you would know that. 

BTW - I'm highly amused that you completely ignore the fact that the moritorium directly aids Obamas' buddy and handler Soros.

When are you going to wake the hell up and see what it going on here?  Obama is pursuing the classic Cloward Piven strategy to collapse the system and exploiting this situation to push crap & tax, regardless of anything else, laws, jobs, the spill, whatever. 

[Fury]

$15,000 worth of energy stocks from 2 years ago. not a big deal unless theres more info.



Obama Administration Knew About  Deepwater Horizon 35,000 Feet Well Bore, Green-Lighted And Fast-Tracked Project

http://www.zerohedge.com/

President Obama and Secretary of Interior Ken Salazar, Secretary of Energy Steven Chu, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates were informed that BP would drill an unprecedented 35,000 feet well bore at the Macondo site off the coast of Louisiana. In September 2009, the Deepwater Horizon successfully sunk a well bore at a depth of 35,055 below sea level at the Tiber Prospect in the Keathley Canyon block 102 in the Gulf of Mexico, southeast of Houston... According to the Wayne Madsen Report (WMR) sources within the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), the Pentagon and Interior and Energy Departments told the Obama Administration that the newly-discovered estimated 3-4 billion barrels of oil in the Gulf of Mexico would cover America's oil needs for up to eight months if there was a military attack on Iran that resulted in the bottling up of the Strait of Hormuz to oil tanker traffic, resulting in a cut-off of oil to the United States from the Persian Gulf. Obama, Salazar, Chu, and Gates green-lighted the risky Macondo drilling operation from the outset, according to WMR's government sources.

That's pretty interesting. I wonder if the MSM will report on that? 

[MCWAY]

I wouldn't say the stim bill failed at all.  I would say the underestimation of this admin failed. 

Mal this is a guy who thinks the new deal by FDR furthered the depression.  It's classic republican revisionist history.  He cites an obscure paper by two UCLA profs as proof.  Little does his know the paper is widely ridiculed for the stupidity of the notion. 

Are you smoking that sticky-icky? If you advertise that the stimulus will keep unemployment under 8 percent and it doesn't, THAT'S FAILURE, pure and simple.

[MCWAY]

The stim bill HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DOLLAR OR BANKS!!!NOTHING!!!!When Aug comes and the temp census jobs are lost UE will be at 10.4% by ANY standard THATS A FAILURE of a bill that was said to be a jobs bill.By the way job losses HAVE NOT REVERSED since it passed.Since it passed we lost 4 million jobs.What are you talking about?

And if it weren't for this judge, yet more jobs would have been lost because of this stupid moratorium.

[Soul Crusher]

And 240, Mal, Blacken, Benny, Danny think Obama is not deadset on agitating and collapsing the system!        

Good comments at the site.   

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Federal Gov't Halts Sand Berm Dredging
Nungesser Pleads With President To Allow Work To Continue
POSTED: 5:37 pm CDT June 22, 2010
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 Comments (27)NEW ORLEANS -- The federal government is shutting down the dredging that was being done to create protective sand berms in the Gulf of Mexico.

The berms are meant to protect the Louisiana coastline from oil. But the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Department has concerns about where the dredging is being done.

Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser, who was one of the most vocal advocates of the dredging plan, has sent a letter to President Barack Obama, pleading for the work to continue.

Nungesser said the government has asked crews to move the dredging site two more miles farther off the coastline.

"Once again, our government resource agencies, which are intended to protect us, are now leaving us vulnerable to the destruction of our coastline and marshes by the impending oil," Nungesser wrote to Obama. "Furthermore, with the threat of hurricanes or tropical storms, we are being put at an increased risk for devastation to our area from the intrusion of oil.

Nungesser has asked for the dredging to continue for the next seven days, the amount of time it would take to move the dredging operations two miles and out resume work.

Work is scheduled to halt at midnight Wednesday.

[Soul Crusher]

Ha ha.  this is the govt you voted for you stupid idiots.  Great job 240 & Mal! 

"BP is going to save the world"

[BM OUT]

Oh.  Banks were not affected in any way?  And the dollar didn't lose or gain a bit based upon the printing of 780 billion bucks?

Okay.

You said it stabalised banks and the dollar.The stimulus bill did NEITHER OF THOSE THINGS!!!It didnt do a darn thing other then act as a payoff to state unions.PERIOD!!

[BM OUT]

Is it a coincidence this judge owns 16 energy stocks, including the firm that built that rig and 2 BP firms?

IS IT A COINCIDENCE THAT WE ARE GIVING BRAZIL 2 BILLION DOLLARS FOR OIL EXPLORATION AND SOROS JUST INVESTED 900 MILLION IN A BRAZILLIAN OIL COMPANY?