McCain confirms Sen. Kyls' account on Obama's holding border security hostage.

[Soul Crusher]

I didn't excuse anyone

I pointed out that it's a common tactic

are you just pretending to be dense today or are you really this clueless?

So you are admitting then that we have a vindictive little punk bitch as president who will not do his job solely because some of his appointments are being held up, the very same thing he did as Senator? 

Sounds like a real mature great person who actually cares about our country?      

[240 is Back]

just like 240

Geez, obsess much?

I've read 2 threads so far.  In both, you brought me up.

So you want my butthole or something?

[Soul Crusher]

Geez, obsess much?

I've read 2 threads so far.  In both, you brought me up.

So you want my butthole or something?

Did you watch the youtube clip of the Senator who spoke to Obama on this? 

If that does not make you want this mugabe/chave/mao/castro pofs impeached and jailed asap I dont know what would.   

[240 is Back]

of course obama is reacting slow to push cap/trade thru.  I thought I've agreed to that repeatedly?  Obama's guilt in all of this is so obvious, I don't know why we're still beating a dead horse.  But I'm cool with beating that horse if you wanna. 

My butthole reference was the fact Tony disappears for a week, and returns and does the last thing he did - nonstop 240 posting.  I understand my poop factory is a fine site to behold.

[Soul Crusher]

of course obama is reacting slow to push cap/trade thru.  I thought I've agreed to that repeatedly?  Obama's guilt in all of this is so obvious, I don't know why we're still beating a dead horse.  But I'm cool with beating that horse if you wanna. 

My butthole reference was the fact Tony disappears for a week, and returns and does the last thing he did - nonstop 240 posting.  I understand my poop factory is a fine site to behold.

240 - reacting slow?  He is not reacting at all! 

he is intentionally letting this disaster destroy the gulf and the conversation he had with this Senator proves it. 

[Straw Man]

So you are admitting then that we have a vindictive little punk bitch as president who will not do his job solely because some of his appointments are being held up, the very same thing he did as Senator? 

Sounds like a real mature great person who actually cares about our country?      

first of all I have no evidence that what McCAin said is completely accurate or in any way even true.   Hs is the guy, afterall, who recently said he never considerd himself a Maverick so we know he's either got Alzheimers or is a liar (which one do you think it is).

second, politicians have been playing "politics" and horsetrading and the like for as long as we've had people on the planet

nothing new here

How many Ombama appointee's to key positions are held up or have been held up while Republican Senators play politics?

welcome to reality (unfortunately) in our country

I didn't approve or condone it or excuse it in any way

[Soul Crusher]

first of all I have no evidence that what McCAin said is completely accurate or in any way even true.   Hs is the guy, afterall, who recently said he never considerd himself a Maverick so we know he's either got Alzheimers or is a liar (which one do you think it is).

second, politicians have been playing "politics" and horsetrading and the like for as long as we've had people on the planet

nothing new hereI didn't approve or condone it or excuse it in any way

Like any court case, you have to weight the credibility of the witnesses and make your own decision.  In my book, two Senators, Kyl and McCain, are far more credible than Obama since Obama has such a consistent history of lying. 

Additionally, Napolitano came out and said the same thing confirming that she refuses to go along with a plan to secure the border first before doing amnesty for the invaders.   

[Straw Man]

Like any court case, you have to weight the credibility of the witnesses and make your own decision.  In my book, two Senators, Kyl and McCain, are far more credible than Obama since Obama has such a consistent history of lying.  
Additionally, Napolitano came out and said the same thing confirming that she refuses to go along with a plan to secure the border first before doing amnesty for the invaders.    

in my book Kyl, McCain and Obama are all the same

they are  all politicians who will say/do almost anything to further their own agenda

find something relevent to whine about

[Soul Crusher]

So the presence of 20 million illegals draining the nation is no big deal? 

I guess maybe if I were whining about DODT, gay marriage, Kagan, that would be valid to you no?

[tonymctones]

My butthole reference was the fact Tony disappears for a week, and returns and does the last thing he did - nonstop 240 posting.  I understand my poop factory is a fine site to behold.

thats b/c im busy dousche I work during the day go to school at night and hit the gym after I get done with school...

my posting has been limited as of late b/c of summer school which is 4 hours a night after work and then working out...

I still read when I have a chance i just dont post b/c i dont want to get into a debate and not be able to respond...but your idiocy sometimes is to much to bare and I have to respond

[Straw Man]

So the presence of 20 million illegals draining the nation is no big deal?  

I guess maybe if I were whining about DODT, gay marriage, Kagan, that would be valid to you no?

no more or less a big deal than it's been for the last 50 years and hardly an important issue given all the other shit we're dealing with right now.

haven't you forgotten about Obama's communist agenda?

at some point soon the Commie revolution will be so obvious that no one can deny it and when that happens our Communist overlords will secure the border to prevent us from leaving

[Soul Crusher]

Now Napolitano is confirming what Kyl and McCain said - but according to Straw and 240 - we should believe Obama.    

________________________ ________________________ _________

Napolitano Rejects 'Secure Border' Precondition for Progress on Immigration Reform Bill
June 23, 2010 4:57 PM

News' Devin Dwyer reports:

An animated Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano today said the need to intensify efforts to secure the southwest border should not be a precondition for progress on comprehensive immigration reform.

She made the comments after at least one Senate Republican suggested the White House was holding off on implementing stronger enforcement measures so that they could be a bargaining chip to lure Republicans to the table.

"The notion that you’re going to somehow seal the border and only at that point will you discuss immigration reform – that is not an answer to the problem,” she said.

“The border is as secure now as it’s ever been, but we know we can always do more and that will always be the case,” she said. “It’s a big border. It is 1,960 miles across that southwest border. It’s some of the roughest toughest geographical terrain in the world across that border… You’re never going to totally seal the border.”

Napolitano strongly defended the administration’s record on policing the border, saying the agency has “attacked” immigration and crime challenges there and in the interior in an “unprecedented” way.  But she said enforcement alone will not solve the system’s problems.

“There is no silver bullet” to solving the broken immigration system, Napolitano said. “It will require Congress to enact changes… We cannot have 50 different state policies,” she added, referring to Arizona’s new immigration law, which faces a legal challenge from the administration ahead of its scheduled implementation on July 29.  

Late last week, Arizona Republican Sen. Jon Kyl said the administration was deliberately “holding hostage” additional enforcement measures “unless and until it is combined with comprehensive immigration reform.” The White House has rejected the accusation.

The Department of Homeland Security currently has deployed a record number of Border Patrol agents and Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers.  The agency now screens 100 percent of all southbound rail shipments for drugs, weapons and other illicit contraband, and it is slated to complete construction by the end of the year of the last six miles of border fence authorized by Congress.

Last month President Obama also requested $500 million in emergency supplemental funds from Congress for enhanced border security and authorized deployment of up to 1,200 National Guard troops along the southwest border.

Napolitano said the agency will soon launch handful of new initiatives, including new intelligence sharing partnerships between state and federal law enforcement groups, drone surveillance technologies, and bilateral agreements with the Mexican government.

“The border is as secure now as ever before,” she said. “The numbers tell the story and they do not lie."

-- Devin Dwyer

[Straw Man]

Now Napolitano is confirming what Kyl and McCain said - but according to Straw and 240 - we should believe Obama.    

________________________ ________________________ _________

Napolitano Rejects 'Secure Border' Precondition for Progress on Immigration Reform Bill
June 23, 2010 4:57 PM

News' Devin Dwyer reports:

An animated Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano today said the need to intensify efforts to secure the southwest border should not be a precondition for progress on comprehensive immigration reform.

Assuming Nepaltano speaks for the administration then I guess that means that McCAina and Kyl are LIARS

[240 is Back]

240 - reacting slow?  He is not reacting at all!   

Well, there is a cap sucking up 90% of it - we saw yesterday how bad it would be without that.  And he's let the dutch and others in to suck up the oil slick.

So not reacting 'at all'?  No, that's not true.  reacting at 70% capacity so he can use lots of dead dolphins to sell cap/trade?  Sure looks like it.

[dario73]

no more or less a big deal than it's been for the last 50 years and hardly an important issue given all the other shit we're dealing with right now.

Care to tell us when in the history of the USA, prior to the last decade, did the USA have to deal with over 20 million illegals?

Every study/research done points to unprecedented increases of illegal immigrants in the USA. And if the border is not secured, the economic stability of this nation will be destroyed. That's if it hasn't already been damaged beyond repair.

[Soul Crusher]

Well, there is a cap sucking up 90% of it - we saw yesterday how bad it would be without that.  And he's let the dutch and others in to suck up the oil slick.

So not reacting 'at all'?  No, that's not true.  reacting at 70% capacity so he can use lots of dead dolphins to sell cap/trade?  Sure looks like it.

BP put the cap on, not the govt.  Good try though 240.  

[240 is Back]

BP put the cap on, not the govt.  Good try though 240. 

Ok.  but BP didn't let in the dutch.  So 'at all" isn't true.  But yeah, he could be doing more

[Soul Crusher]

Ok.  but BP didn't let in the dutch.  So 'at all" isn't true.  But yeah, he could be doing more

This is why you are deluded.  Its called the Jones Act.   Read up on it.  Obama has been begged to lift it and has dithered and intentionally done nothing to he can agitate this disaster. 

[Straw Man]

Care to tell us when in the history of the USA, prior to the last decade, did the USA have to deal with over 20 million illegals?

Every study/research done points to unprecedented increases of illegal immigrants in the USAAnd if the border is not secured, the economic stability of this nation will be destroyed..  That's if it hasn't already been damaged beyond repair.

illegal immigrants played virtually no role in the near economic destruction of our country

for that you can blame the lack of regulation in banking and finance and the incentive for corporations to ship jobs overseas

btw - feel free to post even one of those studies you mention.   I mean if every single one shows it then it should be easy

you won't need a study to figure out which party controlled the government during the last 10 years

I'm not saying the border is not an important issue but there are plenty of other more important issue right now

[Soul Crusher]

illegal immigrants played virtually no role in the near economic destruction of our country

for that you can blame the lack of regulation in banking and finance and the incentive for corporations to ship jobs overseas

btw - feel free to post even one of those studies you mention.   I mean if every single one shows it then it should be easy

you won't need a study to figure out which party controlled the government during the last 10 years

I'm not saying the border is not an important issue but there are plenty of other more important issue right now

The state govts' cant print money like the Feds can and have to pay for this bs out of their pocket. 

[Dos Equis]

My point is that the use of the word "disaster" to describe petty politics...

when we have a gushing oil mess on our shores/rain that nobody can stop (yet)...

Well, it's a little bit "drama queen".  Like when a teenage girl says it's a "tragedy" when her middle school prom date stands her up.  NO, a tragedy is a busload of orphans hitting a busload of baby seals and it all ending up in a giant fireball. 

   "Disaster" referred to the administration, not Obama's "outrageous" statement that he would not secure the borders without amnesty.  

[Danny]

Like any court case, you have to weight the credibility of the witnesses and make your own decision.  In my book, two Senators, Kyl and McCain, are far more credible than Obama since Obama has such a consistent history of lying. 

Additionally, Napolitano came out and said the same thing confirming that she refuses to go along with a plan to secure the border first before doing amnesty for the invaders.   

 To quote Joe Wilson "YOU LIE"..
"Kyl tells us that the comments were "taken a bit out of context," and that the "they" he was referring to was the Left, "the president's base," and not the administration. "I did not try to start a fight. This meeting happened a month ago and we were talking in the context of his political problems. He was talking about how they think that if we secure the border, you guys [Republicans] won't have the incentive to work on comprehensive immigration reform."

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/archives/2010/06/25/washington-post-kyl-walks-back-white-house-story

[Soul Crusher]

And your point is?  Obama's actions/inactions now make perfect sense.   

[Fury]

Well, there is a cap sucking up 90% of it - we saw yesterday how bad it would be without that.  And he's let the dutch and others in to suck up the oil slick.

So not reacting 'at all'?  No, that's not true.  reacting at 70% capacity so he can use lots of dead dolphins to sell cap/trade?  Sure looks like it.

So we're supposed to applaud him for letting the Dutch in 65 days after they asked to come in? Man, your pandering knows no bounds. Let's not forget that you're one of those people that was railing against Bush for refusing foreign aid in the early Katrina aftermath. 

There is no reason whatsoever to commend Obama for finally letting them in.

[240 is Back]

So we're supposed to applaud him for letting the Dutch in 65 days after they asked to come in? Man, your pandering knows no bounds. Let's not forget that you're one of those people that was railing against Bush for refusing foreign aid in the early Katrina aftermath. 

There is no reason whatsoever to commend Obama for finally letting them in.

I didn't say applaud or commend him.

Only that "So not reacting 'at all'" is incorrect.  He might have only done 10% of what was possible to stop this.  But "at all" is wrong, that's all.

I think obama is doing a piss poor job and shou dbe outed by sen thune in 2012 fellahs.  But I don't think he's doing a 0% job and will be outed by palin.  Sorry.