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Black founding fathers
« on: June 25, 2010, 02:10:11 PM »
Did any of you watch the show where glen beck talked about the founding black father, and the historic significance of so many black men and women ?  He is doing another one today!!  Any of you who believe the main stream spin about beck being racist, and how the liberals just love anyone, should watch  and listen.
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Re: Black founding fathers
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2010, 05:46:03 AM »
I actually caught this yesterday. He is absolutely not a racist, but he is extremely annoying and an easy target for the left.

The problem with Beck at least from my POV is that he is such a sissy/ drama queen, that it honestly makes my stomach turn to watch his program. The whining and crying and facial expressions that he makes on TV are more dramatic than a latin soap opera and are more appropriate for Broadway than a cable news program.

Now, despite his grandstanding I have to admit that a substantial amount of what he says is accurate, interesting and insightful-- but to cut through his bullshit to get to the stuff that is credible makes the entire process too much for me to handle. He is a knowledgable guy especially when it comes to American history and he certainly knows his politics, but it's often difficult to take him seriously.

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Re: Black founding fathers
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2010, 08:59:32 AM »
Never mind slavery, the decimation of the Native American population, et cetera.

Anything is fair game for Beck to present some sort of idilic origins to our nation.

You've got to be fucking kidding me Glenn!

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Re: Black founding fathers
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2010, 09:03:10 AM »
You're right. We should also give the original 13 colonies back to the British and the entire southwest back to Mexico.

Men should also apologize to women for brutalizing them during sexual intercourse and all humans should apologize to cows and chickens for eating them throughout the ages.

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Re: Black founding fathers
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2010, 09:18:43 AM »
You're right. We should also give the original 13 colonies back to the British and the entire southwest back to Mexico.

Men should also apologize to women for brutalizing them during sexual intercourse and all humans should apologize to cows and chickens for eating them throughout the ages.

Your missing the point abilities are legendary my friend.

What you are missing is the fact that we Americans of today, have a lot more to be proud of than the Americans of the time of the American Revolution. We've led the world in showing how a nation can go from a repressive piece of shit of territory to one in which everyone's rights are observed and enforced and everyone is given equal treatment under the law of the land.

I don't know why Glenn keeps looking back at a time when only the rich were able to vote, blacks were enslaved and Indians were massacred. Isn't there someone at Fox with some sort of decency that can tell Glenn to shut the fuck up?

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Re: Black founding fathers
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2010, 04:41:17 PM »
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I don't know why Glenn keeps looking back at a time when only the rich were able to vote, blacks were enslaved and Indians were massacred. Isn't there someone at Fox with some sort of decency that can tell Glenn to shut the fuck up?

maybe you should watch his show and you will learn that from 1777 til around 1812  these founding fathers did what they could to do away with slavery and many laws were passed to free blacks in every state that was part of the union.   why do you want glen to shut up,  do you not want blacks to know that they too had great rolls in early america and were not just slaves?  why would you want to deny black youth the chance to learn these things?    And another thing,  yea we do have alot to be proud of since them ,  but they started it all.  where might we be if they hadnt done what they did?
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Re: Black founding fathers
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2010, 08:03:16 AM »
maybe you should watch his show and you will learn that from 1777 til around 1812  these founding fathers did what they could to do away with slavery and many laws were passed to free blacks in every state that was part of the union.   why do you want glen to shut up,  do you not want blacks to know that they too had great rolls in early america and were not just slaves?  why would you want to deny black youth the chance to learn these things?    And another thing,  yea we do have alot to be proud of since them ,  but they started it all.  where might we be if they hadnt done what they did?

Point # 1: I certainly do not need to watch a TV show to learn anything from anyone. Be it Glenn Beck, William O'Reilly, Keith Olbermann or Rachel Maddow. I can learn or inform myself on my own. And so can you.

Point # 2: And write this down: The plight of a slave was not, is not and will never be the same as the light of a free white man. This is the bridge, the common "freedom-loving" ground Glenn seems to loooove to, or sort of insinuates, look back to. But make no mistake: Blacks were brought here by force. Whites came here to conquer. Indians died because they were conquered. Three different things. There's no common ground here. Just because all of it took place in one geographical location, or that two or three people from each group were in favor of getting along and living together in harmony is inconsequential. Reality has shown us otherwise. One group's extermination was another's preservation and yet another's descent into subservantship.

Blacks were trying to freed themselves from the white man. Same as Indians. The white man wasn't trying to do anything. A small elite of American white men were trying to liberate their businesses (aka less taxes) from the hands of the British Empire. But make no mistake, the origins are not the same.

It's like a German writer writing or insinuating some sort of harmony between German Jews and German non-Jews in pre-WWII Germany. I mean, you can write about it, no one's going to deny you the right, but the "30,000-foot fact" is that after 6 millions Jews being exterminated by the German army... it's kinds pointless to show that there was some sort of harmonious coexistence there. And this is so because it's kinda extremely difficult to bridge the gap from "harmony" to "extermination" and not find something inherently wrong on the side of the killers, hence writing such a book is pointless, because after the extermination camps, the fate of the Jews and the Germans took opposing routes.

And with this I'm not saying that there were great lucid black intellectuals during Founding Fathers time, there may have been, and I commend Glenn for putting the spotlight on early black intellectualism. But I know deep down in my heart every black studies professor is just shaking his/her head witnessing such an unabashedly political use of such great personalities.

And American TV hit a new low with it.

The view from a black man is always refreshing: Chris Rock.

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Re: Black founding fathers
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2010, 08:31:38 AM »
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Slapper - who sold the slaves to the Dutch and were all the indian tribes in peaceful harmony amongst one another? 

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Re: Black founding fathers
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2010, 08:52:57 AM »
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Slapper - who sold the slaves to the Dutch and were all the indian tribes in peaceful harmony amongst one another?  

The slaves were sold, at first, mainly by the tribe chieftains who gathered them or pointed the finger but were only a part of a well-oiled assembly line whose 99.99% of the benefits were distributed ONLY to American, Spanish, Dutch or Portuguese, AKA caucasians.

"Were all the indian tribes in peaceful harmony amongst one another"? No. And White Castle's hamburgers are a little smaller than those from Burget King or McDonalds. So we should sue.