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Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« on: June 28, 2010, 02:04:37 PM »
Another 5-4 decision.  Not surprised the "Rev" Barry Lynn likes this decision.   ::)

Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
Monday, 28 Jun 2010   

An ideologically split Supreme Court ruled Monday that a law school can legally deny recognition to a Christian student group that won't let gays join, with one justice saying that the First Amendment does not require a public university to validate or support the group's "discriminatory practices."

The court turned away an appeal from the Christian Legal Society, which sued to get funding and recognition from the University of California's Hastings College of the Law. The CLS requires that voting members sign a statement of faith and regards "unrepentant participation in or advocacy of a sexually immoral lifestyle" as being inconsistent with that faith.

But Hastings, which is in San Francisco, said no recognized campus groups may exclude people due to religious belief or sexual orientation.

The court on a 5-4 judgment upheld the lower court rulings saying the Christian group's First Amendment rights of association, free speech and free exercise were not violated by the college's nondiscrimination policy.

"In requiring CLS — in common with all other student organizations — to choose between welcoming all students and forgoing the benefits of official recognition, we hold, Hastings did not transgress constitutional limitations," said Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who wrote the 5-4 majority opinion for the court's liberals and moderate Anthony Kennedy. "CLS, it bears emphasis, seeks not parity with other organizations, but a preferential exemption from Hastings' policy."

Justice Samuel Alito wrote a strong dissent for the court's conservatives, saying the opinion was "a serious setback for freedom of expression in this country."

"Our proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express 'the thought that we hate,'" Alito said, quoting a previous court decision. "Today's decision rests on a very different principle: no freedom for expression that offends prevailing standards of political correctness in our country's institutions of higher learning."

The decision is a large setback for the Christian Legal Society, which has chapters at universities nationwide and has won similar lawsuits in other courts.

"All college students, including religious students, should have the right to form groups around shared beliefs without being banished from campus," said Kim Colby, senior counsel at the Christian Legal Society's Center for Law & Religious Freedom.

The 30-member Hastings group was told in 2004 that it was being denied recognition because of its policy of exclusion.

According to a society news release, it invites all students to its meetings.

"However, CLS voting members and officers must affirm its Statement of Faith," the statement said. "CLS interprets the Statement of Faith to include the belief that Christians should not engage in sexual conduct outside of a marriage between a man and a woman."

Kennedy said "the era of loyalty oaths is behind us."

"A school quite properly may conclude that allowing an oath or belief-affirming requirement, or an outside conduct requirement, could be divisive for student relations and inconsistent with the basic concept that a view's validity should be tested through free and open discussion," Kennedy said.

Justice John Paul Stevens was even harsher, saying while the Constitution "may protect CLS's discriminatory practices off campus, it does not require a public university to validate or support them."

Stevens, who plans to retire this summer, added that "other groups may exclude or mistreat Jews, blacks and women — or those who do not share their contempt for Jews, blacks and women. A free society must tolerate such groups. It need not subsidize them, give them its official imprimatur, or grant them equal access to law school facilities."

The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, called the decision a "huge step forward for fundamental fairness and equal treatment."

"Religious discrimination is wrong, and a public school should be able to take steps to eradicate it," Lynn said. "Today's court ruling makes it easier for colleges and universities to do that."

In another case, the Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal from some Texas parents who wanted to stop their school district from regulating when students can pass out religious-themed material to their classmates.

The court refused to hear an appeal from some parents from the Plano Independent School District.

The district in 2005 told elementary students religious-themed material could only be passed out before and after school, at recess, at three school parties or at designated tables. Middle and secondary students could add in lunchtime or between classes.

Parents say the policy dilutes students' free speech rights. The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled for the school district and the Supreme Court refused to hear the appeal.

The case is Christian Legal Society v. Martinez, 08-1371.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/US-Supreme-Court-Campus/2010/06/28/id/363283

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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2010, 03:50:47 PM »
Good decision. Am disappointed the vote was so close tho.
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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2010, 03:56:19 PM »
You can thank mccain for the steady stream of lib choices we're seeing on the supreme court.

better 2008 VP vetting = whole different supreme court.

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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2010, 04:16:05 PM »
You can thank mccain for the steady stream of lib choices we're seeing on the supreme court.

better 2008 VP vetting = whole different supreme court.

lol

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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2010, 07:33:37 AM »
You can thank mccain for the steady stream of lib choices we're seeing on the supreme court.

better 2008 VP vetting = whole different supreme court.

Sorry.  It wasn't going to happen no matter what.  You can't fight God's Will.

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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2010, 07:47:16 AM »
You can thank mccain for the steady stream of lib choices we're seeing on the supreme court.

better 2008 VP vetting = whole different supreme court.

No,you can thank Obamas PATHETIC choice for VP for  the makeup of the court.It was Biden that led the charge against Bork who was about 1 million times more qualified then ANYONE Barack Hussein Obama has put foreward.It was Biden that led the charge to vote for Ginsberg and every other lib nomine.

So the supreme courts makeup is the result of the dumbest man in the history of the senate, making decisions for the rest of us.The same half a retard who tells cripples to stand up and still tries to claim his wife was killed by a drunk driver.

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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2010, 09:28:41 AM »
Good decision.  There is no reason to give this group recognition at the university, if they want their group they can have it outside of the school.  I applaud this decision to drive the hate out of our universities. 
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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2010, 09:36:09 AM »
Sorry.  It wasn't going to happen no matter what.  You can't fight God's Will.

I thought your stupid gay ass said Palin was the reason McCain lost? 

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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2010, 09:39:15 AM »
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Justice John Paul Stevens was even harsher, saying while the Constitution "may protect CLS's discriminatory practices off campus, it does not require a public university to validate or support them."

I'm sure christians would be outraged if a group at a public institution wanted to exclude them based on their choice of religious belief and then wanted official recognition from that institution


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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2010, 09:41:06 AM »
Sorry.  It wasn't going to happen no matter what.  You can't fight God's Will.

LoL

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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2010, 09:43:22 AM »
I thought your stupid gay ass said Palin was the reason McCain lost? 

Of course.  Apparently her prayers didn't contain the magic words that God was looking for I suppose.

That and the little fact that God decided to listen to the other group... you know.. the MAJORITY.. that were praying she didn't get within a country mile of the Oval Office.

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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2010, 09:47:32 AM »
Of course.  Apparently her prayers didn't contain the magic words that God was looking for I suppose.

That and the little fact that God decided to listen to the other group... you know.. the MAJORITY.. that were praying she didn't get within a country mile of the Oval Office.

And the gay morons like yourself are getting everything they voted for. 

Communism
Ineptness
Corruption


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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2010, 09:52:42 AM »
And the gay morons like yourself are getting everything they voted for. 

Communism
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Corruption



I wish they'd hurry up with that Communist Utopia we were promised

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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2010, 09:55:36 AM »
I wish they'd hurry up with that Communist Utopia we were promised

I know right?  All i got was a huge gain on my index shares and a steady stream of dividends from my pharma shares.  Apparently they were going out of business when the health care was passed, and apparently this hasn't happened.  Weird.  Communism and wall street?  Who would have thought!
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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2010, 09:59:44 AM »
And the gay morons like yourself are getting everything they voted for. 

Communism
Ineptness
Corruption



Are you back to the self projecting "gay" talk?  Again?  You really are queer aren't you? 

That has to be it.  No real man could throw a nonstop hissy fit like you do every day.

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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2010, 10:00:01 AM »
I know right?  All i got was a huge gain on my index shares and a steady stream of dividends from my pharma shares.  Apparently they were going out of business when the health care was passed, and apparently this hasn't happened.  Weird.  Communism and wall street?  Who would have thought!

that just shows you how sneaky those Commies really are

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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2010, 10:07:29 AM »
I wish they'd hurry up with that Communist Utopia we were promised

Good point Straw.  The typical left wing demogogues always paint a communist utopia against the "evil capitalist" when all they ever really offer is pain, suffering, misery, poverty, scarcity, and promises of better futures.

Keep waiting for the pixy dust prosperity offered by ZERO and his gang of marxists, its only a month or two away.   ::)  ::)

   

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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2010, 10:11:00 AM »
Good point Straw.  The typical left wing demogogues always paint a communist utopia against the "evil capitalist" when all they ever really offer is pain, suffering, misery, poverty, scarcity, and promises of better futures.

Keep waiting for the pixy dust prosperity offered by ZERO and his gang of marxists, its only a month or two  away.   ::)  ::)

I hope so

I'm sick of all the talk and no action

typical Obama - can't get anything done

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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2010, 10:13:29 AM »
I hope so

I'm sick of all the talk and no action

typical Obama - can't get anything done

Not my fault.  He had 60 votes in the Senate and a huge majority in the House. 

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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2010, 10:14:48 AM »
Not my fault.  He had 60 votes in the Senate and a huge majority in the House. 

but it's still going to happened  in a few months right?

I can't wait much longer

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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2010, 10:15:36 AM »
but it's still going to happened  in a few months right?

I can't wait much longer

What the prosperity or the collapse? 


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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2010, 10:18:08 AM »
but it's still going to happened  in a few months right?

I can't wait much longer

I am still waiting for the black duffel bag zombie attack that was coming "in a couple months" when Obama first won office.

Hasn't happened yet.

Don't forget we then got to wait on the thousands of unemployed doctors roaming the streets due to Obamacare, that was suppose to happen the day after it passed.

Sounds like the board sissy has a problem predicting his little timelines.

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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2010, 10:18:59 AM »
What the prosperity or the collapse? 

the "collapse" is intentional.....remember

Obama is doing it intentionally so he can usher in his vision of a Communist Utopia

or is it Distopia? .........no, that would just be nutty

it must be Utopia

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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2010, 10:22:06 AM »
I am still waiting for the black duffel bag zombie attack that was coming "in a couple months" when Obama first won office.

Hasn't happened yet.

Don't forget we then got to wait on the thousands of unemployed doctors roaming the streets due to Obamacare, that was suppose to happen the day after it passed.

Sounds like the board sissy has a problem predicting his little timelines.

Moron - doctors are already stopping taking medicare patients. 

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Re: Court: Christian Group Can't Bar Gays, Get Funding
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2010, 10:22:24 AM »
the "collapse" is intentional.....remember

Obama is doing it intentionally so he can usher in his vision of a Communist Utopia

or is it Distopia? .........no, that would just be nutty

it must be Utopia

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