Bill Clinton: Obama is brilliant, exceedingly empathetic and not getting his due

[blacken700]

[Skip8282]

Well, if Clinton says so, it must be true.  Afterall, he has a strong history of telling the tru...



Oh, wait,...

[quadzilla456]

ha-ha! It must be true because Bill said so. Sorry for being so hard on nobama. I'll try to like him more - NOT!

[Soul Crusher]

Funniest thread on this board in months. 

Obama is not brilliant and not empathetic.  If he was he would not be pushing a regressive energy tax and soon to be oppresive VAT tax. 

[240 is Back]

he's briliant if you agree with his silly goals.

he got healthcare thru.  he got stim bill thru.  He got fin reg bill thru.  He'll probably get cap/trade after this oil mess.

What exact legislation has Obama failed on thus far? 

[24KT]

Clinton is sounding more "southern" than I remember. When did he go back to Arkansas?

[Soul Crusher]

he's briliant if you agree with his silly goals.

he got healthcare thru.  he got stim bill thru.  He got fin reg bill thru.  He'll probably get cap/trade after this oil mess.

What exact legislation has Obama failed on thus far? 

Bush got the patriot act and tax cuts and no child left behind passed, did you consider GWB BRIILIANT? 

[Dos Equis]

Obama has rammed partisan crap down the public's throat.  How impressive.    If he was truly "brilliant" he would be able to work with Democrats and Republicans to pass or repeal legislation (if needed).  Instead, he's a master at barely getting the consent of his own party to pass unpopular laws.  Doesn’t sound like brilliance to me.    

[240 is Back]

Bush got the patriot act and tax cuts and no child left behind passed, did you consider GWB BRIILIANT? 

for meeting his evil agenda, he did okay.  he did fial on social security privitization and amnesty.

Obama's pretty much undefeated thus far, right?

Obama has rammed partisan crap down the public's throat.

Bush had a Repub congress for 6 years - he had everything giftwrapped just like Obama has enjoyed. 

[Soul Crusher]

FINREG is not a done deal.

http://www.businessinsider.com/susan-collins-threatens-to-vote-against-dodd-frank-act-2010-6

BTW - BI is a great site for good info. 

[240 is Back]

okay, excluding that one (which is still highly likely)...

what legislation has obama failed on? 

Shit, he's probably gotten more of his goals accomplished in 15 months than most presidents in history, right?  Complete HCR reform?  Clinton couldn't do it in 8 years. 

Toss in the fact he'll *probably* get a lame duck congress to push amnesty in December... Feliz navidad!  and of course, once the oil gets really bad, we'll see Cap/Trade swoop in to save the day.

Toss out your own position on the issues and anger at him - you have to admit he's been more aggressive in completing his agenda- and successful - than most.

[Dos Equis]

Bush had a Repub congress for 6 years - he had everything giftwrapped just like Obama has enjoyed. 

Aside from being untrue, this has zero to do with whether Obama rammed partisan crap down the American people's throat.  The fact is he has done little more than barely get the consent of his own party to pursue things the majority of the country disagrees with.  He has been total failure at getting bipartisan support.  A "brilliant" leader would be much more effective.  

No surprise that only 29 percent of the country believe we are headed in the right direction.  

[This is the part where you mention Bush and/or Palin.]

[240 is Back]

Aside from being untrue,

Didn't Repubs own the congress for bush's first 6 years?

[Dos Equis]

Didn't Repubs own the congress for bush's first 6 years?

Bush didn't have "everything giftwrapped."  Even the controversial legislation had bipartisan support.  What does this have to do with Obama? 

[pro nitrousADRL]

here is something to compare,   at the start of the war on terror 68% of america supported bush on that,  then it took years to drop to where we all know it ended.

obama only had 48% of american approval at the passage of healthcare.  It took bush 5 years to be at an approval rate of 48% over the war on terror

[240 is Back]

my concern is that obama has been at 45 to 50% for the last 9 or 10 months.

healthcare, finreg, everything else... he lost his initial groupees, but he's remained consistent even as economy has sucked and HCR passed.

What more can he do to hit anything lower than 45%?  He was at 46% today.

[pro nitrousADRL]

maybe 240 its because people dont understand  much less bother to read any of the shit that obama is forcing upon us, so why would they think bad,   when bush took us to war  people understood that. its a cut and dry thing, everyone knows what war is.  but look at nancy pelosi and th rest of these ass hats, they know that 99% of america is not going to read the healthcare bill. so they dont tell you anything about it except lies, then say  ( well if you wana know whats in you gota let us pass it)  come on  seriously,  and they are still saying that about their bills that are in the works.  I mean seriously  240  would you buy a house that the seller wouldnt let you look into and told you that if you wana know what the inside is like you gota buy it first?

[240 is Back]

again, I'm not defending obama and i'm damn sure not defending pelosi LMAO...



The repubs are doing a fine job letting us know that Obama's team uses the R-word and that they are oh so offended.  They do a fine job making headlines apologizing to BP or screaming "you lie" or talking about "Death panels" which were created under Bush.


They aren't talking about the issues that matter.   I wonder why?

[pro nitrousADRL]

DEATH PANELS CREATED UNDER BUSH??  how is that possible  when he didnt want gov. run healthcare??

[pro nitrousADRL]

240  would you buy a house that the seller wouldnt let you look into and told you that if you wana know what the inside is like you gota buy it first?

[240 is Back]

Hell, Bush had death panels in his own state in 1999
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/12/765464/-Dubyas-1999-Texas-death-panel

And yes, in 2005 they came out of a repub congress.  

240  would you buy a house that the seller wouldnt let you look into and told you that if you wana know what the inside is like you gota buy it first?

Of course not dude.  And for the 9999th time - people on getbig confuse my admiration of obama's political ability with approval of his policy.  It's not accurate.

I also admired Rove's use of division to rule... and I despised much of what he got thru.

Hell, cheney was a major league liar - but i admire his ability to pass energy/war/base agenda he co-wrote in PNAC (most of you repubs dont konw what this is).

So it is possible to admire the political ability of a person without kneepadding their policy.  People here are often too emotional to separate the two.

[Straw Man]

45 seconds to 1:30 is blatant truth

[pro nitrousADRL]

240 show me the bill that bush passed that states there will be rationing (a.k.a)  death panels. show me the commity bush created to handle the rationing..  i can show you in obamas bills where these 2 things are

[Soul Crusher]

45 seconds to 1:30 is blatant truth

Bill Clinton was fiscally responsible when he had a GOP Congress to deal with.  Clinton also greatly benefited from ther Dot Com craze along with all the money the govt got from the M&A boom. 

Obama is the opposite of Clinton in that regard. 

[tonymctones]

45 seconds to 1:30 is blatant truth

LMAO well you see we dont feel like winners straw b/c of obamas DUMB ASS MOVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO stimulus failed miserably...

the health care bill is going to end up costing money(we told you so), rationing care, AND DOESNT ADDRESS THE COST!!!!! the very thing it was billed to do....

oil spill has gone on for over 2 months now with obama dragging his heels and being all around ineffective in helping with clean up or stopping the problem...

LMAO what do you think the american ppl should be happy about with obama?