piece of shit workers unions

[AC Slater]

June 30 (Bloomberg) -- Ford Motor Co. said it will pay about $4 billion in cash to a union health-care fund today, a sign the automaker is confident that Chief Executive Officer Alan Mulally’s plan will generate cash for the company.

Ford was required to pay $859 million to the United Auto Workers Retiree Medical Benefits Trust by June 30 to fund benefits for former hourly workers. Ford had the option to pay as much as $610 million in stock under an agreement reached with the union last year.

This is the reason the USA and western Europe are recessions, and why their economies will eventually collapse.  Everyone's salary is determined by supply and demand, but these auto worker queers threaten to strike when the demand is high for cars, effectively putting a gun to their employer's head and demanding a raise, despite the fact that their skill set does not command that type of salary.  These f.aggot workers think they are entitled to all sorts of retirement and medical benefits just because they turn a wrench on an assembly line.  This has caused their salaries and benefits to become inflated to artificially high, unsustainable levels. 

The Supreme Court should allow Ford, GM and all other car manufacturers to veto all union agreements and tell the workers that if they dont like it, they can fuck right off.  Those companies will have no trouble replacing them with unemployment as high as it is.

[~UN_$ung~]

these fucking asshole unions are one of america's most antiquated institutions


they almost single -handedly crippled the american auto industry with their ridiculous demands........unskilled assembly line workers making 70$ an hour to push a button......full pay and benefits for years after being laid off......the list go on and on

so the auto industry had to go overseas.............now NO ONE has a job

now..........what the unions are doing in the gulf is despicable...........but obama refuses to stand up to them cause he is in their pocket


scumbags......... 

[The Showstoppa]

I'm glad unions are weak in the south.

[ToxicAvenger]

i'll go a step further...minimum wage laws r unconstitutional

if i wanna work for $2/hr..WHO the FUCK is the govt to make it illegal?

[tbombz]

both the employer AND the employee have the right to bargain on the set wage.

[AC Slater]

both the employer AND the employee have the right to bargain on the set wage.

wrong.  supply and demand dictates the wage earned.  just because the demand increases for the good/service that your company produces, it does NOT give you the right to stick a gun to your employers head and demand more money, knowing that they must cave in because the demand is high. 

These assclowns perform generic work that anyone with half a brain can do, so the supply of the labor is virtually infinite, thus they are not entitled to such benefits.

[Purple Aki]

wrong.  supply and demand dictates the wage earned.  just because the demand increases for the good/service that your company produces, it does NOT give you the right to stick a gun to your employers head and demand more money, knowing that they must cave in because the demand is high.  

These assclowns perform generic work that anyone with half a brain can do, so the supply of the labor is virtually infinite, thus they are not entitled to such benefits.

I think you'll find Tbombz is never wrong. About anything. Ever.

[240 is Back]

I'm glad unions are weak in the south.

they hang anti-union propaganda on the break room walls at walmart and winn dixie and public grocery stores.

managers tell you unions will take all your rights.

Personally, i think they are a huge part of the problem with the economy and the too big to fail big 3 automakers- but for the average dork making $7 an hour bagging groceries, well, you have to wonder why they discourage it so much...

[ToxicAvenger]

both the employer AND the employee have the right to bargain on the set wage.

NO not the employers....he has a right to refuse you...cause someone ELSE will work for a lower wage...

dont like it...start yer own bizness....and higher employees at a HIGH cost...one that your soft heart feels right doing...

regardless of concern for your own family and bizness  

[Tapeworm]

If Ford had promised to pay that money and was trying to renege then they should be held to the terms of the contract.  Ford is making decisions in it's interest.  We can't legislate what agreements Ford wants to enter into, right?

But from what I've heard, unions are a mixed bag at best for a working man, especially in US construction.  It's like any organization. It can be corrupt or it can be upstanding.  In Australia, they are a pain in the ass who would lose me 2/3 of what I earn in a day if I was on one of their sites.  And they are composed of obese men who have to hire prostitutes in order to get laid.

[Lundgren]

 One sided as always. And if industry had balls they'd send the whole union home. Hire new unskilled workers. But they won't cause they made weak deals in the past with unions and the goverment of their own accord, and need the skills of the work force. It's the companies fault for giving into unions and goverment. The big 3 just ain't got what it takes to be competitive, they had it easy for too long, too bad they weren't let to go bankrupt.

[big L dawg]

the reason the USA and western Europe are in a recession is because of Unions?...haha very short sighted...hell last I heard union labor represented like 14% of the entire workforce...

[body88]

One sided as always. And if industry had balls they'd send the whole union home. Hire new unskilled workers. But they won't cause they made weak deals in the past with unions and the goverment of their own accord, and need the skills of the work force. It's the companies fault for giving into unions and goverment. The big 3 just ain't got what it takes to be competitive, they had it easy for too long, too bad they weren't let to go bankrupt.

Ford has seen explosive growth over the last few years, and according to their most recent forcasting, they are on track to unseat Toyota as the #1 brand in thew world. Fords sales have been up for a long time.

[che]

Fuck you guys  I'm proud to be a UNION IRONWORKER 

[jesusbod]

the reason the USA and western Europe are in a recession is because of Unions?...haha very short sighted...hell last I heard union labor represented like 14% of the entire workforce...

Maybe only 14% but the money they are getting is outrageous, especially for retired members.

Getting 90% of your salary or hourly pay that you are making at the time of retirement is ludicrous. that is not sustainable considering most people that retire actually live a lot longer now and the fact that the companies have to compete with the foreign non-union made vehicles.

[YoungBlood]

FUCK UNIONS!

I have first hand experience with unions, on the bad side of them and why they're no longer needed anymore.

In the 1920's and so forth they were needed, as in the case when an employer printed an ad stating 200 people positions were opening, but when 20 people were selected and the others were sent packing, the employer was able to say it was a misprint at the paper. Or having wages be the same for all employees...which started off as a good thing. "Started off" being the operative phrase.

I dealt with unions for 5yrs of my life, and in the end the only people that benefited from the union was 2...the union and the P.O.S. workers they protected.

The story is long and drawn out, but in the end, I was sent packing from my job that I not only excelled and raised the bar throughout the company as to how a position would be performed, but I LOVED that job. Only because the union contract, P.O.S workers and arbitrator, did I lose my well loved job and end up unemployed for 6 months. And it's taken another 8 months to just start chipping away at my debt that had accrued thanks to the aforementioned situation.

[che]

FUCK UNIONS!

I have first hand experience with unions, on the bad side of them and why they're no longer needed anymore.

In the 1920's and so forth they were needed, as in the case when an employer printed an ad stating 200 people positions were opening, but when 20 people were selected and the others were sent packing, the employer was able to say it was a misprint at the paper. Or having wages be the same for all employees...which started off as a good thing. "Started off" being the operative phrase.

I dealt with unions for 5yrs of my life, and in the end the only people that benefited from the union was 2...the union and the P.O.S. workers they protected.

The story is long and drawn out, but in the end, I was sent packing from my job that I not only excelled and raised the bar throughout the company as to how a position would be performed, but I LOVED that job. Only because the union contract, P.O.S workers and arbitrator, did I lose my well loved job and end up unemployed for 6 months. And it's taken another 8 months to just start chipping away at my debt that had accrued thanks to the aforementioned situation.

FUCK YOU

[big L dawg]

FUCK UNIONS!

I have first hand experience with unions, on the bad side of them and why they're no longer needed anymore.

In the 1920's and so forth they were needed, as in the case when an employer printed an ad stating 200 people positions were opening, but when 20 people were selected and the others were sent packing, the employer was able to say it was a misprint at the paper. Or having wages be the same for all employees...which started off as a good thing. "Started off" being the operative phrase.

I dealt with unions for 5yrs of my life, and in the end the only people that benefited from the union was 2...the union and the P.O.S. workers they protected.

The story is long and drawn out, but in the end, I was sent packing from my job that I not only excelled and raised the bar throughout the company as to how a position would be performed, but I LOVED that job. Only because the union contract, P.O.S workers and arbitrator, did I lose my well loved job and end up unemployed for 6 months. And it's taken another 8 months to just start chipping away at my debt that had accrued thanks to the aforementioned situation.

sounds like you shoulda joined the union and you would still have your job

[Lundgren]

It's may only be 14 percent for unions, but than there's the military and supply chains, government workers, entertainment industry, farmers under subsidies,  bankers, each make a good portion of the high wage earners of the states when in reality there all dead weight, they help to over inflate the  economy and at the same time they produce nearly nothing. Realize the leftovers are, manual labour and the small amount of non union industry the USA has left. The economy is very unbalanced. When the USA, starts to loose fall it will fall hard.

[ManBearPig...]

the reason the USA and western Europe are in a recession is because of Unions?...haha very short sighted...hell last I heard union labor represented like 14% of the entire workforce...

I have a union electrical company (don't think i'm a millionaire, i only have a couple guys doing maintenance work), and they cost me 43 an hour plus 24 in benefits an hour.  that's right, they get 43 an hour for doing shit, and an additional 24 in "benefits".  also, i got a letter this week that i have to tack on 3 more dollars per hour in healtchare cost.  if you do the math, that's 3 x 2000 hours (typical work year) = $6,000 / year / worker in ADDITIONAL healthcare coverage. 

so yes, they may be only 14% of the entire workforce, but for $67/hour i can hire 5 non union workers that'll do the job just as well.  so, for the customer and for myself, which do you think is more beneficial?  5 workers or 1?

[AC Slater]

I have a union electrical company (don't think i'm a millionaire, i only have a couple guys doing maintenance work), and they cost me 43 an hour plus 24 in benefits an hour.  that's right, they get 43 an hour for doing shit, and an additional 24 in "benefits".  also, i got a letter this week that i have to tack on 3 more dollars per hour in healtchare cost.  if you do the math, that's 3 x 2000 hours (typical work year) = $6,000 / year / worker in ADDITIONAL healthcare coverage. 

so yes, they may be only 14% of the entire workforce, but for $67/hour i can hire 5 non union workers that'll do the job just as well.  so, for the customer and for myself, which do you think is more beneficial?  5 workers or 1?

why not tell them to fuck off and hire non union workers?

[ManBearPig...]

why not tell them to fuck off and hire non union workers?

you can't pull a permit in the city.  something about having hands in each other's pockets, not sure.

[YoungBlood]

sounds like you shoulda joined the union and you would still have your job

I was part of the union at one time. Which is another reason I feel they're shit. Certainly my local was shit.

Why do I pay them $ out of my paycheck every month for them to do NOTHING for me? For when something does happen? Well, when it did happen, they didn't do shit for me! I was a Class A driver for a time, and when I was demoted and actually laid off, the union did two things for me: jack and shit.

10 months later when I was asked to leave the union by my company, yet still receive the same amount of pay as any of the union workers, I did so. Holy fuck you would think I just got the union rep daughter pregnant. He called my house for 3 days, non-stop from 8am to 8pm. I was screening the calls after I'd already told him I was not interested in speaking to him. He still called. It was only when he realized he was losing my monthly dues, did he step up and offer to "help" me.

Why do I pay someone to do absolutely nothing for me, not protect me when I lose my position, not care about me and my bills or my welfare until I take money out of their pocket?

Then, why should I make the same amount of money as someone else in the union that does half as much? Files unfounded claims of racial discrimination, drops pallets off at the wrong stores without consequence while non-union employees get written up for it (because the union protects him, they're afraid to write him up? Unfair...one of the main stipulations for having a union is to be EQUAL, so that should apply across the board, yes? Including punishment!), decide they won't take that route that day because the route is loaded on two different trucks, when a person next to them has the exact same issue and is forced to take the route out, call in sick because they don't want to drive a 48' trailer, because it's too big for him and he doesn't like it plus it's too many stops to deliver, they're late to their stops costing the entire company $$$ in overtime....

...the list goes on. Numerous people I've known have ALL had similar stories, including my friend who works in the exact same company as I did.

The best part of the whole story is how one union worker felt he can filed grievances and have me and three other people laid off, get paid for having us laid off and fucks up the entire delivery team as well as the sales team and it's merchandisers forcing the higher-ups to restructure everything. This guy felt it's justified to have me and 3 other guys lose our jobs and affect out lives/families just because he didn't like non-union workers on the job.

4 guys (directly) and their families (indirectly) all affected because we were not union. We all did the same job to varying degrees and were paid the same yet because our title was different than his (non-union versus union) he disliked us. Seems fair?

Until you have been in that situation of paying dues to someone and then have had your life drastically altered because of a hypocritical piece of shit...you cannot say unions are beneficial. If you've had an injury, you have a bit more reason to stand proud...but from experience of having over 15yrs of union work and hearing countless stories on each side of the fence...unions have no place for people that actually do their job...and do it well.

[chaos]

I have a union electrical company (don't think i'm a millionaire, i only have a couple guys doing maintenance work), and they cost me 43 an hour plus 24 in benefits an hour.  that's right, they get 43 an hour for doing shit, and an additional 24 in "benefits".  also, i got a letter this week that i have to tack on 3 more dollars per hour in healtchare cost.  if you do the math, that's 3 x 2000 hours (typical work year) = $6,000 / year / worker in ADDITIONAL healthcare coverage.  

so yes, they may be only 14% of the entire workforce, but for $67/hour i can hire 5 non union workers that'll do the job just as well.  so, for the customer and for myself, which do you think is more beneficial?  5 workers or 1?

you can't pull a permit in the city.  something about having hands in each other's pockets, not sure.

This.

Unions have ruined this country with their outrageous demands.

[Old School Trainer]

Within the skilled trades, unions are needed.  If not, we would really start the lose the middle class.  Do you really want all of the construction and industrial maintenance in this country performed by a bunch of losers that don't care about their futures?  The contractors would get into bidding wars and soon enough the low bidder would be getting all of the work.  You would have a bunch of Mexicans with their first day on the job with no schooling or experience screwing things up.

I agree with you about the auto unions and some of the teachers unions. The iron workers, fitters, boiler makers, carpenters and millwrights live a God awful miserable life busting their asses to keep this country going.