why is Ronnie still so juiced up?

[gh15]

i agree totally but i was just saying his hrt use would be because his natural testestorone shut down permenantlly along time ago. but he is taking ALOT more now then he has to

let me tell you a little secret my friend,,your natural test production only stops at one point in time and it is,,,










when youre dead!



it may decrease to minimum for a long time ,,but with or with out hcg it will come back as soon as you off ,,with out hcg will take a year with hcg will take 3 months,,moment you lose al test you become a woman,,i have yet to see a guy growing a clit and having his cock and balls falling
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[JasonH]

why would any normal human being enter a gym with out hormones in his system is beyond me,,its a waste of time,,you wanna go and get fit go play football you know the one you play with your legs,,go swim,, go ride a bike,, gym is meant for bodybuilders and fitness enthusiastic and integral part of it is the intake of hormones so you can look impressive and not like a bag of potato chips or after you lose some weight a lose skin bag of potato chips,,

DUMB is the person who enter a gym for a serious training session with out hormones in his or her system,,its a complete waste of time,,go eat healthy and do nothing and you will look very close to the same ,,go run and you will look very close to the same,,

you fellas all know that the so call naturals were addicted and still are to hdrols mdrols and all the drugs that were sold under the title pro hormone lol,,you also know those same so called naturals were and are in many cases on growth hormones and some even on insulin ,,you know that they all on eca on a regular basis and you also know that they take short ester aas both injects and tabs,,

so show me the reason of going into a gym truly natural unless you are a begginer granma or some housewife or fat college kid who wanna lose some weight,,hell even they learn its a waste of time and quit ,,


no hormones = no bodybuilder

gh15 approved

WTF? You couldn't be more wrong!

I can speak from both sides of the fence because I've been a gear user myself in the past but I've also trained for considerable periods of time completely naturally. I've been clean now for nearly 18 months and I've actually continued to maintain the size I had when I was on gear - the only thing that has changed was that I am eating better and cleaner than ever before whereas when I was on gear I was taking it for granted and eating like shit but still gained.

I have proved to myself (and to others) that it's possible to train in a gym naturally for an extended period of time and make gains, better than I've ever done in my life just by doing it properly. I'm bigger than most guys in my gym that are still using gear and they've been training as long as I have, most have been training longer.

This fallacy that bodybuilding in a gym is a waste of time unless you're on gear is only said by people with crap genetics that shit their pants whenever they get under the squat bar naturally and feel that the only way they can succeed is to inject their ass.

[gh15]

WTF? You couldn't be more wrong!

I can speak from both sides of the fence because I've been a gear user myself in the past but I've also trained for considerable periods of time completely naturally. I've been clean now for nearly 18 months and I've actually continued to maintain the size I had when I was on gear - the only thing that has changed was that I am eating better and cleaner than ever before whereas when I was on gear I was taking it for granted and eating like shit but still gained.

I have proved to myself (and to others) that it's possible to train in a gym naturally for an extended period of time and make gains, better than I've ever done in my life just by doing it properly. I'm bigger than most guys in my gym that are still using gear and they've been training as long as I have, most have been training longer.

This fallacy that bodybuilding in a gym is a waste of time unless you're on gear is only said by people with crap genetics that shit their pants whenever they get under the squat bar naturally and feel that the only way they can succeed is to inject their ass.

wrong,if you knew anything about bodybuilding you would know how important hormone use is,,you would know we never train with out them in the ssystem,,you would know that training clean or natural is immposible in the cult called bodybuilding because unless your life sucks then the stress of life ,,the job,,the girl,,the obligations,,the time sepnt on life itself would make you gain NOTHING in the gym,,

all the fellas who say they gain something all gain fat and water in addition to 3 pounds a year of muscle,,thats in the good case,,trust gh15 ,,i trained 4 years completely naturally ,,won show ,,and know what it takes,,you do not look bodybuilder with out hormones,,you never look thick enough ,,your shoulders suck ass and you never get the thickness needed unless you become a fat fuck,,

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[gh15]

alsothere is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between 220 on legit aas and 220 of clean on creatine lol,,HUGE ENORMOOUS DIFF,,
anyone who knows this cult can tell you that ,,the use of legit hormones INDEED can turn a chiwawa into a pitball,,maybe not a professional pitball but ANYONE ON HORMONES LEGIT ONES CAN GET TO DO A NATIONAL SHOW,,
in addition most americanos are liars,,they keep to themselves ,,always use hormones aALWAYS but will never talk much,,they kep their mouth shut ,,americanos are very very shady and tricky when it comes to their personal lives,,just part of being americano

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[Parker]

I have to disagree with you gh15. I knew dudes in college, who just like to workout, and had very good size, shape, symmetry. One used to lecture me about eating meat! All he ate was fruits and veggies. And he was cut up as well. I too had good size, prior to me taking pro hormones, which was like once or twice And now, looking back I liked training naturally, which is what I'm doing now. Haven't seen any "help" since 2004. And I firmly believe one must develop a base, before getting on roids. Now, too many people jump in the pool before really knowing how to swim.

That's why you see all the weak ass physiques now in the NPC and the pros. You yourself have criticized Phil Heath as someone who just a juiced up dude who doesn't put in the blood, sweat and tears.

[saopl]

why would any normal human being enter a gym with out hormones in his system is beyond me,,its a waste of time,,you wanna go and get fit go play football you know the one you play with your legs,,go swim,, go ride a bike,, gym is meant for bodybuilders and fitness enthusiastic and integral part of it is the intake of hormones so you can look impressive and not like a bag of potato chips or after you lose some weight a lose skin bag of potato chips,,

DUMB is the person who enter a gym for a serious training session with out hormones in his or her system,,its a complete waste of time,,go eat healthy and do nothing and you will look very close to the same ,,go run and you will look very close to the same,,

you fellas all know that the so call naturals were addicted and still are to hdrols mdrols and all the drugs that were sold under the title pro hormone lol,,you also know those same so called naturals were and are in many cases on growth hormones and some even on insulin ,,you know that they all on eca on a regular basis and you also know that they take short ester aas both injects and tabs,,

so show me the reason of going into a gym truly natural unless you are a begginer granma or some housewife or fat college kid who wanna lose some weight,,hell even they learn its a waste of time and quit ,,


no hormones = no bodybuilder

gh15 approved

this is a mod from another body building forum, life time natural.. he's 45 and lean as fuck

http://www.simplyshredded.com/kane-sumabat-interview.html

[brent2741]

What a moron

what is your evidence to the contrary?

[Flexb]

let me tell you a little secret my friend,,your natural test production only stops at one point in time and it is,,,










when youre dead!



it may decrease to minimum for a long time ,,but with or with out hcg it will come back as soon as you off ,,with out hcg will take a year with hcg will take 3 months,,moment you lose al test you become a woman,,i have yet to see a guy growing a clit and having his cock and balls falling
gh15 approved

No, it may decrease to a point it's doing nothing positive anymore so HRT is needed. It doesn't always come back post cycle, a lot of guys get fuked after years of juicing just as an aging male does.

[mossel]

Did michael jackson use hrt after his test/winnie/prop cycle?

[Nirvana]

Because "working out" has dozens of benefits that have nothing to do with competing or taking drugs for no reason

Your comparison makes no sense.

my point was that he likes to be big, what if you just woke up small one day, it would feel very strange

[affeman]

he's got to be 45 or so now?


does he plan to compete again?    or does he need the money from the guest posing?

Cause it's still his job. He has a contract with BSN he wants to keep.

[BayGBM]

he's got to be 45 or so now?


does he plan to compete again?    or does he need the money from the guest posing?

He has his reasons! 

[TrapsMcLats]

why would any normal human being enter a gym with out hormones in his system is beyond me,,its a waste of time,,you wanna go and get fit go play football you know the one you play with your legs,,go swim,, go ride a bike,, gym is meant for bodybuilders and fitness enthusiastic and integral part of it is the intake of hormones so you can look impressive and not like a bag of potato chips or after you lose some weight a lose skin bag of potato chips,,

DUMB is the person who enter a gym for a serious training session with out hormones in his or her system,,its a complete waste of time,,go eat healthy and do nothing and you will look very close to the same ,,go run and you will look very close to the same,,

you fellas all know that the so call naturals were addicted and still are to hdrols mdrols and all the drugs that were sold under the title pro hormone lol,,you also know those same so called naturals were and are in many cases on growth hormones and some even on insulin ,,you know that they all on eca on a regular basis and you also know that they take short ester aas both injects and tabs,,

so show me the reason of going into a gym truly natural unless you are a begginer granma or some housewife or fat college kid who wanna lose some weight,,hell even they learn its a waste of time and quit ,,


no hormones = no bodybuilder

gh15 approved

thats total bull. I am a lifetime natural, but I have a good, strong looking physique. Did I have a good physique to begin with, before I ever touched a weight? Yeah, I was always an athlete.  But I know I look the way I do now because of lifting. I'm not a competitive bodybuilder by any means, but I do have the genes to build muscle.  Most people just never try (or simply don't have the will power or desire) to train extremely consistently for years on end.  It pays off if you eat right, train right, and if you have good genes.

[Hulkster]

We all know people who have been smoking for 40 years and show no signs of health issues.

It's the exception, not the rule.

but only on the surface. give them a chest X-ray and you will likely see serious health issues with their lungs.

[Devon97]

Ronnie probably makes pretty decent money guest posing and making personal apperances, etc.
The real question is why is Nasser still so juiced up when all he does it take long romantic walks on the beach with his dog and sell his soiled panties online to a team of brown homosexual boys.

Ronnie commands top dollarr for his posing trunk presentations and renown speaking engagements 

[Ex Coelis]

it's pointless trying to be a mass monster the natural way because you end up being fat and unhealthy

natural trainers are better served staying lean and having good overall fitness

bodybuilding was supposed to be part of a healthy lifestyle

[MAXX]

training naturally is not a waste of time. you will never get the results of a hormone user but bench over 315 for a few reps squat deep 315 for a few reps and dl 500 for a few reps aint too shabby and even beats some of the juicers at the gyms. 

also you don't have to deal with sides and ruined organs. 

[YngiweRhoads]

thats total bull. I am a lifetime natural, but I have a good, strong looking physique. Did I have a good physique to begin with, before I ever touched a weight? Yeah, I was always an athlete.  But I know I look the way I do now because of lifting. I'm not a competitive bodybuilder by any means, but I do have the genes to build muscle.  Most people just never try (or simply don't have the will power or desire) to train extremely consistently for years on end.  It pays off if you eat right, train right, and if you have good genes.

Exactly. Gh15 is pretty clueless as to the motivations behind working out other than to impress others, which is blatantly obvious by his posts.

Lifting keeps you looking and feeling young and healthy. Couple that with a clean diet, NOT a bodybuilding diet, and you're good for 80-100 years of good living in all likelihood. Nothing wrong with that.

[Ex Coelis]

[Van_Bilderass]

WTF? You couldn't be more wrong!

I've been clean now for nearly 18 months and I've actually continued to maintain the size I had when I was on gear

I have proved to myself (and to others) that it's possible to train in a gym naturally for an extended period of time and make gains, better than I've ever done in my life just by doing it properly.

So which is it, are you maintaining or are you gaining? Lots of people claim to gain while off but it's total BS in pretty much all cases. The real scenario: the ones who do not lose much weight get softer ( read: fat) and the ones who maintain or lose fat also lose considerable muscle. I have never ever seen the opposite, no matter how bad the diet was on gear and how perfect it was when off. It just doesn't happen.

It would be great if someone posted before and after pics of someone who went clean for say a year, someone who maintained everything or gained muscle when going off. I won't hold my breath though.

[Devon97]

He has his reasons! 

LOL Bay you just broke the hearts of 100's of Ronnie fan boys here on GB!

[Van_Bilderass]

training naturally is not a waste of time. you will never get the results of a hormone user but bench over 315 for a few reps squat deep 315 for a few reps and dl 500 for a few reps aint too shabby and even beats some of the juicers at the gyms. 

also you don't have to deal with sides and ruined organs. 

True. However, no one will ever mistake you for a bodybuilder when you walk around in a t-shirt. 
I know some very strong natural powerlifters and despite all that heavy training there's not much mass. No delt mass as gh15 says, no traps, not much of anything. Some have pretty big legs but that's pretty much it.

No hormones = no bodybuilding as we know it.

[MAXX]

True. However, no one will ever mistake you for a bodybuilder when you walk around in a t-shirt. 
I know some very strong natural powerlifters and despite all that heavy training there's not much mass. No delt mass as gh15 says, no traps, not much of anything. Some have pretty big legs but that's pretty much it.

No hormones = no bodybuilding as we know it.

never said i looked like a bodybuilder

[TrapsMcLats]

Exactly. Gh15 is pretty clueless as to the motivations behinds working out other than to impress others, which is blatantly obvious by his posts.

Lifting keeps you looking and feeling young and healthy. Couple that with a clean diet, NOT a bodybuilding diet, and you're good for 80-100 years of good living in all likelihood. Nothing wrong with that.

chicken breasts, fish, veggies and low glycemic index carbs are the answer to everyone's diet

[Van_Bilderass]

never said i looked like a bodybuilder

I didn't say you did. Just illustrating the backside of staying natural. No one will know you train just by looking at you. Not saying you or anyone else wants that. But IF you did...