Lets see, since Obama took office.......

[James]

Unemployment has increased.

Spending has increased.

The Deficit has increased.

Back room deals have increased.

Foreclosures have increased.

Presentational Golf outings have increased.


So how is that "Hope and Change" working out for you?

[Soul Crusher]

Team Kneepad thinks things are great. 

[BM OUT]

800 billion on stimulus and last June UE was 9.5%,this June UE is 9.5%[with a lot of people that have stopped looking].Id say that means ZERO jobs have been created in a year with 800 billion spent.

[240 is Back]

800 billion on stimulus and last June UE was 9.5%,this June UE is 9.5%[with a lot of people that have stopped looking].Id say that means ZERO jobs have been created in a year with 800 billion spent.

A lot of the stim funds were used by D & R governors to pay state salaries.  See Cali about to sink?  Stim funds are all spent.

I contend the stim money may have helped to keep it from not going any higher than 9.5 or 9.8%.    meaning, without those hundreds of billions of dollars, states would have laid these folks off last year.

[BM OUT]

A lot of the stim funds were used by D & R governors to pay state salaries.  See Cali about to sink?  Stim funds are all spent.

I contend the stim money may have helped to keep it from not going any higher than 9.5 or 9.8%.    meaning, without those hundreds of billions of dollars, states would have laid these folks off last year.

Ha,ha,ha UMMMMMM IT COULD HAVE BEEN AHHHHHHHHHHH 13 OR 14 UMMMMMMM OR 15%...Please,you sound idiotic.The stimulus has failed,you libs can say "it could have been worse" or use the made up "saved jobs' stat,but its failed and failed so spectaculary its mind boggling.

[BM OUT]

By the way THE ONLY reason it isnt higher is because 600,000 people stopped looking for jobs last month.UE hasnt dropped a bit.

[Fury]

A lot of the stim funds were used by D & R governors to pay state salaries.  See Cali about to sink?  Stim funds are all spent.

I contend the stim money may have helped to keep it from not going any higher than 9.5 or 9.8%.    meaning, without those hundreds of billions of dollars, states would have laid these folks off last year.

Wasn't the stim supposed to create a few million jobs or something along those lines? It has been a massive fucking failure.

But I guess the criteria for a bill that was marketed as essential for getting jobs back changed from "job creation" to "using $800 billion to produce 0 jobs" somewhere over the last year.

[James]

Wasn't the stim supposed to create a few million jobs or something along those lines? It has been a massive fucking failure.

But I guess the criteria for a bill that was marketed as essential for getting jobs back changed from "job creation" to "using $800 billion to produce 0 jobs" somewhere over the last year.

QFT

[Soul Crusher]

A lot of the stim funds were used by D & R governors to pay state salaries.  See Cali about to sink?  Stim funds are all spent.

I contend the stim money may have helped to keep it from not going any higher than 9.5 or 9.8%.    meaning, without those hundreds of billions of dollars, states would have laid these folks off last year.

Just give it up now 240. 

[pro nitrousADRL]

I contend the stim money may have helped to keep it from not going any higher than 9.5 or 9.8%

bam bam said 8%        FAIL!!!!

[blacken700]

well if your man bush would have gave obama the country the way Clinton gave bush the country we wouldn't be having this discussion, moron

[pro nitrousADRL]

if the democraticly controled house and senate that had been in control since the end of 2006 hadnt fucked so much shit up, maybe bush would have left him with a better economy!!

[Soul Crusher]

well if your man bush would have gave obama the country the way Clinton gave bush the country we wouldn't be having this discussion, moron

Sorry Blacken, obama has spent, lent, and printed TRILLIONS of dollars since being in office and campaigned on the fact that he had all the answers to fix the ailing economy and that he was the anti-bush.  

That was the reason he said he needed to be elected over McCain.  

Additionally, Obama promised that without the Stim Bill, UE would go over 8%.  That was in Feb. 2009.  We are into July 2010 and things are getting DRASTICALLY worse by the day.  

[pro nitrousADRL]

Sorry Blacken, obama has spent, lent, and printed TRILLIONS of dollars since being in office and campaigned on the fact that he had all the answers to fix the ailing economy and that he was the anti-bush. 

That was the reason he said he needed to be elected over McCain. 

Additionally, Obama promised that without the Stim Bill, UE would go over 8%.  That was in Feb. 2009.  We are into July 2010 and things are getting DRASTICALLY worse by the day.

these clowns are going to blame bush til 2012,  they are just like their daddy hussein,  they dont like responsibility  unless something good happens, which is highly unlikely from hussein

[240 is Back]

States got stim $ and used it to pay employees they couldn't afford.
I'm just saying with the stim $, it would have been higher than 9.8%.  


Do you agree or disagree?

[Soul Crusher]

States got stim $ and used it to pay employees they couldn't afford.
I'm just saying with the stim $, it would have been higher than 9.8%.  


Do you agree or disagree?

Yes the rate would have been higher, but it was a complete waste of money.  it was literally worse than taking the money and taking a sizzors to it. 

[pro nitrousADRL]

because of stim the u.e. will be higher than bam bam ever imagined, and not even 2 years later,  862 billion for a solution that didnt even last 2 years.   if you dont view that as a failure then i have a business deal i would like to discuss with you!!

[blacken700]

if the democraticly controled house and senate that had been in control since the end of 2006 hadnt fucked so much shit up, maybe bush would have left him with a better economy!!

so from jan 2001 untill 2006 bush wasn't spending money like a drunkin sailer . i don't think your too smart

[Option D]

well if your man bush would have gave obama the country the way Clinton gave bush the country we wouldn't be having this discussion, moron

QUOTE FOR TRUTH...

[pro nitrousADRL]

so from jan 2001 untill 2006 bush wasn't spending money like a drunkin sailer . i don't think your too smart     

maybe you should read a lil bit blacken    bam bam has already spent more than bush and clinton combined,   so do you not know the definition of the term  ( spend like a drunken sailor)  or was there a typo in there?

[Soul Crusher]

QUOTE FOR TRUTH...

Way to deflect from reality.  I know you have personal reasons for defending the idiot in the WH , but that is for another discussion.  The fact remains that by Obama's own promises, he has failed miserably. 

 

[240 is Back]

Yes the rate would have been higher, but it was a complete waste of money.  it was literally worse than taking the money and taking a sizzors to it.  


We're in agreement - but from Obama's point of view - the main goal getting agenda thru and re-elected... It gave him a recovery on paper to use in 2012 to get re-elected.

He can now say, "LOOK at the jobless rate, bottoms out in Jan 09, and then turns around - my stim plan did that".  

Bullshit o not, it'll play with some voters.


Of course it wasn't worth the $ printed... but for someone whose goal is to get re-elected, yes, it was a good move.  if we were at 14% right now without it (very possible), his ass would be at 20% approval with no chance of re-election.

[pro nitrousADRL]

an 862 billion dollar bill that had a minimal temp fix that barely lasted 2 years  is a failure

[Bindare_Dundat]

well if your man bush would have gave obama the country the way Clinton gave bush the country we wouldn't be having this discussion, moron

Seriously, are you retarded?

[pro nitrousADRL]

Blacken  if you would read a lil bit you would find out that bush wasnt handed  this great economy, this so called surplus wasnt really a surplus, yes the fed had alot of money, but that wasnt earned, it was borrowed.  No body ever talks about how clinton grew the debt to create this so called surplus,   and if you check your facts you will find that in g.b first term he paid down the debt 452 billion,  dollars.   EVEN WHILE CONDUCTING THE WAR                                        HOW MUCH DEBT HAS BAM BAM PAID DOWN


oh and guess how he was able to pay off this amount of debt that bam bam doubled in one year?      maybe it had a lil something to do with g.b 52 strait months of positive job growth!!!