QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?

[Soul Crusher]

But when you put "Obama" to the title..Its only fair to counter with "Bush" Correct?

Yes - but to keep saying 8 years of bush is simply misleading since Bush did not haver control over the economy or deficit the last two years, the dems did in congress and Bush just rode it out. 

 

[Kazan]

Bush can only be blamed for so long, and as far as I am concerned the day Obama took office the problem was his. He knew what he was getting into, he was in the senate. Pelosi/Reed they knew what was going on, hell they had a large majority since 2007. 

[Option D]

Yes - but to keep saying 8 years of bush is simply misleading since Bush did not haver control over the economy or deficit the last two years, the dems did in congress and Bush just rode it out. 

 

And thats all good...But when you say "Obama" basically putting his face to this problem..and you say his administration... its only fair that i say it happened under the Bush administration.

See...this is the thing chief..in your mind..if the right takes over all is well...but thats wrong. They are part of the american Political structure and are beholden to the same big business campaign contributers.. S&L Debacle..that was on both sides of the isle.. So basically.. i dont trust none of them and have no faith in our political system. Im not a fucking idiot who thinks (on a national level) that the people elected actually care. They are all crooked, and american politics is big business. But you seem to think that if it all goes conservative that the country will be fixed and i aint drinking that shit

[Soul Crusher]

And thats all good...But when you say "Obama" basically putting his face to this problem..and you say his administration... its only fair that i say it happened under the Bush administration.

See...this is the thing chief..in your mind..if the right takes over all is well...but thats wrong. They are part of the american Political structure and are beholden to the same big business campaign contributers.. S&L Debacle..that was on both sides of the isle.. So basically.. i dont trust none of them and have no faith in our political system. Im not a fucking idiot who thinks (on a national level) that the people elected actually care. They are all crooked, and american politics is big business. But you seem to think that if it all goes conservative that the country will be fixed and i aint drinking that shit

What is the title of this thread? 

[Kazan]

And thats all good...But when you say "Obama" basically putting his face to this problem..and you say his administration... its only fair that i say it happened under the Bush administration.

See...this is the thing chief..in your mind..if the right takes over all is well...but thats wrong. They are part of the american Political structure and are beholden to the same big business campaign contributers.. S&L Debacle..that was on both sides of the isle.. So basically.. i dont trust none of them and have no faith in our political system. Im not a fucking idiot who thinks (on a national level) that the people elected actually care. They are all crooked, and american politics is big business. But you seem to think that if it all goes conservative that the country will be fixed and i aint drinking that shit

I have to disagree about one part of your post, if actual fiscal conservative took over (not republicans) then this country would make a big turn around. Bush/Obama the POTUS changes every 8 years but congress doesn't necessarily, hell you have people spending their whole lives in congress. That is the fucked part of this whole thing, congress should have term limits as well, that would drain the swamp so to speak.

[Option D]

What is the title of this thread? 

OBAMA

[Fury]

I was reading what I think was Newsweek while doing cardio the other day and even they had an article saying that the Dems have worn out the usefulness of the "blame everything on Bush" card.

[Option D]

I have to disagree about one part of your post, if actual fiscal conservative took over (not republicans) then this country would make a big turn around. Bush/Obama the POTUS changes every 8 years but congress doesn't necessarily, hell you have people spending their whole lives in congress. That is the fucked part of this whole thing, congress should have term limits as well, that would drain the swamp so to speak.

And i fully understand what you are saying, but its a difference in your label and your being. One can call himself a fiscal consercative, but when his human side takes over and he wants to get re-elected tunes start to change. Am i right?

[Option D]

I was reading what I think was Newsweek while doing cardio the other day and even they had an article saying that the Dems have worn out the usefulness of the "blame everything on Bush" card.

I mean if you keep asking what 1+1 is. it will always = 0

Its not opinion its fact. Were we declared in a recession under Bushes administratio? Yes

[Kazan]

And i fully understand what you are saying, but its a difference in your label and your being. One can call himself a fiscal consercative, but when his human side takes over and he wants to get re-elected tunes start to change. Am i right?

Yes you are correct,  that in my opinion is why term limits are the answer.

[Option D]

Yes you are correct,  that in my opinion is why term limits are the answer.

I would totally welcome that, as well as campaign finance reform. Basically we took Rome's example and totally warped it out of shape

[Soul Crusher]

But when you put "Obama" to the title..Its only fair to counter with "Bush" Correct?

Time to wake up and ask for a refund from your college Mal.

[Option D]

Time to wake up and ask for a refund from your college Mal.

really...thats what i need to do.. ask for a refund from my college.. ?...where do you get this shit

[Soul Crusher]

really...thats what i need to do.. ask for a refund from my college.. ?...where do you get this shit

Like i said - show me who you get your info from, the past statements they made from 2002 - the present date, how said statements have held up to economic reality - and if you can - great, i will concede to the "official economists" if they are even 1/10th as accurate as the sources I post for my arguments. 

Even 1/10th is all it takes.   

[Soul Crusher]

BUMP   

Nearly 2 years to the date and:

Blame Bush

Blame the Chinks 

Blame the Voters

Blame the Media

Blame UFO's   

Blame Palin and Odonnell



etc etc etc.          

[Option D]

BUMP   

Nearly 2 years to the date and:

Blame Bush

Blame the Chinks 

Blame the Voters

Blame the Media

Blame UFO's   

Blame Palin and Odonnell



etc etc etc.          

lmao...you gettin owned in the other thread and then you just come  here and type bullshit...funny

[Soul Crusher]

lmao...you gettin owned in the other thread and then you just come  here and type bullshit...funny

Owned?   Ha ha ha ha - bro you don't even know the amount of increase in the national debt in the last two years. 

[Emmortal]

The real question you sheep should be asking is when will the government take responsibility? 

The state we are in has ABSOLUTELY ZERO to do with who the president is or was before him.  It has ZERO to do with democrats or republicans, it's WE the people's fault for putting these assholes there in the first place.

It's our fault, the people of the United States of America, for putting these guys in office and letting them ruin the country.  You think posting this crap on a message board is doing anything?  It's not doing shit except to shine yourself off. 

If you aren't out there making a difference you are part of the problem.

You guys never learn.

[Soul Crusher]

The real question you sheep should be asking is when will the government take responsibility? 

The state we are in has ABSOLUTELY ZERO to do with who the president is or was before him.  It has ZERO to do with democrats or republicans, it's WE the people's fault for putting these assholes there in the first place.

It's our fault, the people of the United States of America, for putting these guys in office and letting them ruin the country.  You think posting this crap on a message board is doing anything?  It's not doing shit except to shine yourself off. 

If you aren't out there making a difference you are part of the problem.

You guys never learn.

Like doing what?  I live in the Bronx NY, and dems will win and choose to vote for the person promising more free shit every single time.  anyone even remotely suggesting we curtail the spending spree is shouted down and sent on his way. 

[Soul Crusher]

QUESTION:  At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?

Almost two years in people are still blaming Bush.

So my question is, at what point is it valid to start blaming the Democrats and Obama since the Dems took over the Legislative Branch in 2006 and the WH in 2008? 

BUMP 

[dario73]

BUMP 

LOL!! It will never happen.

In fact, if Republicans are able to pass bills that result in reducing the deficit, government expense and jump starts the economy, you will see Dems and Obama taking credit for it. They will try to get the public to forget that the economy has gone from bad to WORST since Dems took over both houses and the presidency.

[Option D]

LOL!! It will never happen.

In fact, if Republicans are able to pass bills that result in reducing the deficit, government expense and jump starts the economy, you will see Dems and Obama taking credit for it. They will try to get the public to forget that the economy has gone from bad to WORST since Dems took over both houses and the presidency.

Like what.. CBO... said Tax Cuts for rich will not stimulate economy.,.. rich save
But Extending UE benefits will Stimulate the Econ because people with no money cant afford to save.
CBO (non partisan) said UE benefits extensions is the best way to go.

[Soul Crusher]

Like what.. CBO... said Tax Cuts for rich will not stimulate economy.,.. rich save
But Extending UE benefits will Stimulate the Econ because people with no money cant afford to save.
CBO (non partisan) said UE benefits extensions is the best way to go.

Ha ha ha - are you kidding.    Then why not fire everyone and put the whole nation on UE? 

[Option D]

Ha ha ha - are you kidding.    Then why not fire everyone and put the whole nation on UE? 

So you have done the study and know more than the CBO? Whats your suggestion. What research have you done?

[Soul Crusher]

So you have done the study and know more than the CBO? Whats your suggestion. What research have you done?

The CBO also said Bamacare was going to cut the deficit and got that wrong too until they had to later correct themselves too. 

The CBO also said Medicare was going to cost 9 times less than it does today. 

Watch this and PLEASE GET A CLUE