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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #100 on: December 06, 2010, 08:31:44 AM »

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #101 on: December 06, 2010, 08:40:53 AM »
The CBO also said Bamacare was going to cut the deficit and got that wrong too until they had to later correct themselves too. 

The CBO also said Medicare was going to cost 9 times less than it does today. 

Watch this and PLEASE GET A CLUE



You tell me in your words.. what would work better and why

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #102 on: December 06, 2010, 08:51:03 AM »
1.  Re-industrialize and end all green and enovironmental bs.  Going Green = Going Broke 

2.  Repeal ObamaCare immediately and set up a catarophic plan for younger workers who don't need a cadillac plan. 

3.  Deport as many illegals as possible as they are a downward pressure on wages and kill the states tax burden wise. 

4.  End the bailouts to the big banks and actually help out mainstreet by allowing people to keep their owen money. 

5.  Repeal the corporate income tax.

6.  Tax amnesty for all people re-patrioting money overseas and used here for investment. 

7.  Redo the tax code to promote savings and investment vs consumption and spending   

Etc ec.  Etc etc. 

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #103 on: December 06, 2010, 09:18:10 AM »
1.  Re-industrialize and end all green and enovironmental bs.  Going Green = Going Broke 
2.  Repeal ObamaCare immediately and set up a catarophic plan for younger workers who don't need a cadillac plan. 
3.  Deport as many illegals as possible as they are a downward pressure on wages and kill the states tax burden wise. 
4.  End the bailouts to the big banks and actually help out mainstreet by allowing people to keep their owen money. 
5.  Repeal the corporate income tax.
6.  Tax amnesty for all people re-patrioting money overseas and used here for investment. 
7.  Redo the tax code to promote savings and investment vs consumption and spending   

Etc ec.  Etc etc. 
YOu think saving stimulates the economy?..um ok..Get a clue. Econ aint your strong suit..
Ill go over the rest shortly.. just had to point that out

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #104 on: December 06, 2010, 09:26:25 AM »
YOu think saving stimulates the economy?..um ok..Get a clue. Econ aint your strong suit..
Ill go over the rest shortly.. just had to point that out

We tried spending bro - look where it got us? 

That is the joy of being a far left lib - when one spending plan fails you can always say "we did not spend enough" in order to justify more bogus spending schemes.     

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #105 on: December 06, 2010, 09:37:39 AM »
We tried spending bro - look where it got us? 

That is the joy of being a far left lib - when one spending plan fails you can always say "we did not spend enough" in order to justify more bogus spending schemes.     
How does saving stimulate the economy.
And dont be dumb.. when you say "we tried spending" you are saying as a govt.. where most of it went to defense.
Im talking about individuals... look at the 80s... we spent our asses off.. Prob is before we spend and baught things made here.. now we spend on shit made in China,,
see, youre main issue is, you look at 1 factor of a situation to get a talking point. While Doers consider all factors to get a solution

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #106 on: December 06, 2010, 09:41:49 AM »
How does saving stimulate the economy.
And dont be dumb.. when you say "we tried spending" you are saying as a govt.. where most of it went to defense.
Im talking about individuals... look at the 80s... we spent our asses off.. Prob is before we spend and baught things made here.. now we spend on shit made in China,,
see, youre main issue is, you look at 1 factor of a situation to get a talking point. While Doers consider all factors to get a solution

Reagan cut taxes and regulation and had a strong dollar policy to rip out damaging energy and core inflation from the economy. 

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #107 on: December 06, 2010, 10:00:28 AM »
Reagan cut taxes and regulation and had a strong dollar policy to rip out damaging energy and core inflation from the economy. 

wow.. just wow.

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #108 on: December 06, 2010, 10:01:14 AM »
wow.. just wow.

Wow what?  When he entered office the top rate was 70%

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #109 on: February 04, 2011, 01:51:32 PM »
QUESTION:  At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?

Almost two years in people are still blaming Bush.

So my question is, at what point is it valid to start blaming the Democrats and Obama since the Dems took over the Legislative Branch in 2006 and the WH in 2008? 




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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #110 on: March 07, 2011, 07:19:51 AM »
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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #111 on: March 07, 2011, 07:23:37 AM »
Unemployment may be close to 12% by that time.

Its at least 12% now even using BLS's own numbers.   

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #112 on: March 07, 2011, 08:59:14 AM »
Wow what?  When he entered office the top rate was 70%

Even Reagan Raised Taxes
Robert Shapiro, 02.03.10, 12:01 AM EST
Obama is following the paths of former presidents when it comes to balancing the budget.
 
 


It's budget week in Washington, and the $1.27 trillion deficit projected for fiscal 2011 should remind us that deep recessions, especially when accompanied by large spending increases, produce outsized deficits for years to come. The federal government has been down this road recently before, first under Ronald Reagan and then under George H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton. The way those presidents responded can help us chart the likely path of fiscal policy for the next half decade.

Presidential budgets are always a little overwhelming. Barack Obama's, for example, has a surprising number of proposals usually seen in Republican budgets--new tax breaks for business, including ending capital gains tax on new investments in small businesses; a freeze on large areas of discretionary spending; termination of some 120 small federal programs; and increases in military spending. Less unexpected, Obama's budget brings back proposals from past Democratic plans, including big spending increases for higher education, infrastructure and research and development; tax hikes for big banks, big oil and big coal; and higher tax rates for high-income people (by letting the Bush tax cuts for top earners expire and by cutting back carried interest).

More notable is Obama's emerging commitment to long-term fiscal restraint. This seems evident not only in his proposals for spending cuts, but also in his calls to bring back the "pay-as-you-go" rules, which make Congress pay for any new initiative with spending cuts or tax increases, and create a bipartisan commission to reduce entitlement spending. Senate Republicans moved to block both initiatives, even though pay-as-you-go was a key element of the Clinton-GOP budget entente that briefly balanced the budget and every GOP president since Reagan has supported entitlement commissions. But these early skirmishes are unlikely to alter the long-term path of fiscal policy.

The realities of global capital markets will largely set this path--much as they have in the past. When these markets see a long string of unsupportable deficits, they respond by pushing up long-term interest rates and driving down the value of the currency. Both of these developments have already begun to unfold, which may help explain Obama's new concern for fiscal probity. But the prospect of a sinking economy will make almost any president shift course, and when they do, the budget and the politics surrounding it provide a limited number of pathways.

The first part of that path entails raising higher revenues. Everyone remembers Reagan's 1981 tax cuts. His admirers are less likely to tout the tax hikes he accepted as the 1981 recession and his own tax cuts began to unravel his long-term fiscal picture--a large tax increase on business in 1982, higher payroll taxes enacted in 1983 and higher energy taxes in 1984. A decade later, when a serious recession and higher spending began to upend the fiscal outlook again, the first President Bush similarly raised taxes on higher-income people in 1991; Bill Clinton doubled down and raised them again in 1993.

Presidents facing the prospect that unending deficits will undo their economic legacies also cut spending in the only places that make a big difference, starting with defense. Reagan is remembered, again, for his defense buildup--but his big increases in Pentagon spending ended by 1985. Similarly, the first President Bush increased the military to fight the first Gulf War. But before he left office Pentagon spending was slowing sharply with the end of the Cold War, and Clinton followed by cashing in on the peace dividend.

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Total cumulative tax cuts = $275.3B, Total cumulative tax increases = $132.7B. Total Net Tax Cuts = $142.6B. "And You shall Know the Truth..."


Read All Comments (7)Post a CommentHere we are again, with a sharply deteriorating deficit outlook driven by a deep recession and the steps taken to alleviate it, as well as by higher wartime spending. Over the next several years, President Obama will follow the same path as Reagan, Bush-41 and Clinton--because global capital markets will leave him and us no alternative. We will raise substantial new revenues, whether it's justified by climate change (by auctioning greenhouse gas permits or applying carbon-based taxes) or the looming insolvency of Medicare and Medicaid. Defense spending will also slow significantly, presumably as we wind down our military engagement in Iraq and, one hopes, Afghanistan as well.

The Reagan and Clinton strategies also slowed new spending in the other huge and growing area of the federal budget, health care; and Obama has pushed reforms to do the same. But his task here will be much harder, because his own agenda also promises to reduce the numbers of uninsured at considerable cost. Yet, if you want to gauge the President's current priorities, given the choice of broader health care coverage and the prospects for the economy, look to last week's State of the Union address, when he devoted 40 minutes to the economy and less than five minutes to health care. For this president, much like his predecessors, the economic outlook for average Americans ultimately trumps just about everything else.

Robert Shapiro is the chairman of Sonecon, an economic advisory firm in Washington, D.C. He was principal economic advisor to Bill Clinton in his 1991-92 campaign, Under Secretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs under President Clinton, and an economic advisor to the Obama campaign and presidential transition. Dan Gerstein will return for his regular column next week.

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #113 on: March 07, 2011, 09:01:49 AM »
He was principal economic advisor to Bill Clinton in his 1991-92 campaign, Under Secretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs under President Clinton, and an economic advisor to the Obama campaign and presidential transition. Dan Gerstein will return for his regular column next week.

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #114 on: March 07, 2011, 09:05:37 AM »
He was principal economic advisor to Bill Clinton in his 1991-92 campaign, Under Secretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs under President Clinton, and an economic advisor to the Obama campaign and presidential transition. Dan Gerstein will return for his regular column next week.

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so regan did or didnt raise taxes?

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #115 on: March 07, 2011, 09:13:46 AM »
He raisedsome, but drastically cut others and followed a strong dollar policy that destroyed inflation from the carter days.  he also cut a ton of regs and the RESULTS speak for themselves.   

Again - results matter - not to obama sycophants like yourself of course, but to most people.

So long as Dear Messiah gives a teleprompter speech without a serious flub, that is the same as a positive policy outcome to the dupes who still support this horrible admn.   

So long as Obama says something, that is the same as a policy to you clowns, regardless of what is s actually doing when no one is looking.   

I can't wait till 2012 question:   "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"

Ha ha ha ha-   


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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #116 on: March 07, 2011, 09:26:14 AM »
He raisedsome, but drastically cut others and followed a strong dollar policy that destroyed inflation from the carter days.  he also cut a ton of regs and the RESULTS speak for themselves.   
Again - results matter - not to obama sycophants like yourself of course, but to most people.
So long as Dear Messiah gives a teleprompter speech without a serious flub, that is the same as a positive policy outcome to the dupes who still support this horrible admn.   
So long as Obama says something, that is the same as a policy to you clowns, regardless of what is s actually doing when no one is looking.   
I can't wait till 2012 question:   "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"
Ha ha ha ha-   
You  obviously dont know your history

On a per dollar scale.. did he raise more than he cut?... yes or no?

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #117 on: March 07, 2011, 09:27:46 AM »
So where has the trillions of dollars Obama has spent since taking office gotten us? Unemployment is still over 10%, underemployment's at 20%, gas is $5/gallon. What has it gotten us, besides putting us trillions more in debt? I know the far-left is hard-headed beyond belief but it's time to admit that their reckless spending has done nothing to fix the economy.

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #118 on: March 07, 2011, 09:29:20 AM »
So where has the trillions of dollars Obama has spent since taking office gotten us? Unemployment is still over 10%, underemployment's at 20%, gas is $5/gallon. What has it gotten us, besides putting us trillions more in debt? I know the far-left is hard-headed beyond belief but it's time to admit that their reckless spending has done nothing to fix the economy.

Its still Bushs' fault. 

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #119 on: March 07, 2011, 09:30:40 AM »
So where has the trillions of dollars Obama has spent since taking office gotten us? Unemployment is still over 10%, underemployment's at 20%, gas is $5/gallon. What has it gotten us, besides putting us trillions more in debt? I know the far-left is hard-headed beyond belief but it's time to admit that their reckless spending has done nothing to fix the economy.


My main question is "where would you cut" Defense, Social security, or MEdicare.

Tarp is done and paid for.. these spending programs make up for majority of budget.. so where do the cuts come from?

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #120 on: March 07, 2011, 09:34:22 AM »
You can go right across the board, defense and entitlements. It's a shame it will never happen as the Dems are too busy trying to get us to invade Libya and too far indebted to the unions and other entitlement-sucking slime.

They through a bitchfit when the Repubs wanted a mere $60 billion in cuts. $60 billion and they can't even accept that. It's sad.

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #121 on: March 07, 2011, 09:34:44 AM »


My main question is "where would you cut" Defense, Social security, or MEdicare.

Tarp is done and paid for.. these spending programs make up for majority of budget.. so where do the cuts come from?


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Yeah - jack up the budget by TRILLIONS in 2 years, and then complain about 60 billion two years later.  


Fucking brilliant.  

  

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #122 on: March 07, 2011, 09:37:14 AM »
You can go right across the board, defense and entitlements. It's a shame it will never happen as the Dems are too busy trying to get us to invade Libya and too far indebted to the unions and other entitlement-sucking slime.

They through a bitchfit when the Repubs wanted a mere $60 billion in cuts. $60 billion and they can't even accept that. It's sad.


Cut entitlements during a Recession.. yeah real popular. Cut Defense spending during 2 wars.. yeah that would go over.. See all this shit sounds good but when it comes down to it, the shit aint black and white.. would you agree?

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Re: QUESTION: At what point do Obama and the Dems take responsibility?
« Reply #123 on: March 07, 2011, 09:40:12 AM »
We're heading right down the tubes like the failed European welfare states that Obama idolizes. Countries floating debt loads in excess of 100% GDP and this guy wants to emulate them.


Cut entitlements during a Recession.. yeah real popular. Cut Defense spending during 2 wars.. yeah that would go over.. See all this shit sounds good but when it comes down to it, the shit aint black and white.. would you agree?

Yeah, because spending more on entitlements and defense during this recession has worked wonders. Eventually we're going to have to bite the bullet. I'd rather it gets done now instead of when this country completely collapses. But that's just me.

Iraq is done and Afghanistan isn't a war. We won that war years ago. AQ has been decimated. Instead we've taken to playing king maker and are trying to prop up a corrupt and useless regime that isn't really any different from their Taliban buddies.

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« Reply #124 on: March 07, 2011, 09:41:13 AM »

Cut entitlements during a Recession.. yeah real popular. Cut Defense spending during 2 wars.. yeah that would go over.. See all this shit sounds good but when it comes down to it, the shit aint black and white.. would you agree?


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More spin and polishing turds.  Between Stim Bill and MadoffCare alone - they completely jacked up spending.  

Bro - don't you ever get sick of spinning and defending the indefensible?

We have a growing 1.65 TRILLION DEFICIT and this C%^t in the WH i threatening a shutdown over 60 Billion?  

Are you really that fucking stupid to not see what is going on?   Oh wait . . . . .