Ike Ibeabuchi says UFC is laughable

[Captain Equipoise]

What about no rules in a prison cell?

Titus by lighter fuel!

[SgtSpar]

What about no rules in a prison cell?

No rules, MMA fighter wins.  Way too many tools and if Tyson didn't get an immediate knockout, the fight hits the floor, its over for Big Mike.  Why does everyone forget that MMA started as no-rules, no weight classes, no ref, street fighting in Brazil, where the cities are some of the most violent in the world?  Rules were added to keep it from being made illegal, but there were no rules in the beginning.  Being in a cell works against the boxer. Can't back up, can't make space, can get pinned up against the wall=MMA wins.  The boxers only ways of winning against an MMA guy are 1)The one shot knockout.  Very hard to do as has been proven over and over and over..... 2)The ability for an EXTREMELY talented boxer to stick and move until he can land a knockout shot.  Also very hard to do, and impossible in a limited space.  A small cell leaves no room to back up and no room to move side to side.  Easy take down arena.

[Captain Equipoise]

You're forgetting two very important factors...1) Most MMA fighters aren't known for their 'chins' and 2) A pro boxer hitting you with no gloves is very different then a pro boxer hitting you with 16oz gloves.. you take the gloves off and it's sleepy time, A pro boxer is definetly fast and accurate enough to pop someone shooting in for a takedown and just because the MMA guy can get a single or maybe a double, doesn't mean the boxer won't get up as their wrestling for control and pop him with a power hook.

[SgtSpar]

You're forgetting two very important factors...1) Most MMA fighters aren't known for their 'chins' and 2) A pro boxer hitting you with no gloves is very different then a pro boxer hitting you with 16oz gloves.. you take the gloves off and it's sleepy time, A pro boxer is definetly fast and accurate enough to pop someone shooting in for a takedown and just because the MMA guy can get a single or maybe a double, doesn't mean the boxer won't get up as their wrestling for control and pop him with a power hook.

I'm not forgetting anything.  1)  People keep saying that, but it simply isn't true.  Its just a lot harder to eat a shot from a 4oz glove than from a 16.  You said so yourself in part 2.  2)  I would much rather get hit with a bare fist than with MMA gloves.  The gloves protect your hands enough that you can tee off with full power shots with no worries about your hands.  With my 4oz gel shocks on, I can punch full power into a brick wall without hurting my hands.  Its still hard to land that shot on a guy that can try to take you down.  Big Mike had killer power, he still didn't knock everyone out in the first round.  That's because people rarely stand still and let you take their head off.  Most knockouts in boxing are after a guy is hurt and isn't defending his head anymore.  Its very hard to land a shot on the button on a moving strong opponent.  Against a good MMA guy, you have a fraction of a second to land a good enough shot to take the guy out before he takes you down.  And he doesn't even have to get the take down.  He just has to get close enough to clinch, and then it's all MMA territory.  Again, this has all been debated many times before.  In all out no rules fighting MMA has always been and will always be king.

[_bruce_]

Joined a boxing club yesterday - UFC, hold your breath.

[AC Slater]

boxer would win 100% of the time in a boxing match, no question

given mma rules, i would say a top level boxer would beat a top level mma fighter 80% of the time.


Alot of the twinks on here have no idea how dangerous a world class boxer's hands are.  4oz gloves or barenuckle = jabs will put you to sleep.  Carwin hit brock with a jab as he shot for a takedown, and i guarantee any of the top boxers today would have put him to sleep with that jab.

[Hulkotron]

With my 4oz gel shocks on, I can punch full power into a brick wall without hurting my hands.

Haha, you must be a beast!!

[James Blunt]

boxer would win 100% of the time in a boxing match, no question

given mma rules, i would say a top level boxer would beat a top level mma fighter 80% of the time.


Alot of the twinks on here have no idea how dangerous a world class boxer's hands are.  4oz gloves or barenuckle = jabs will put you to sleep.  Carwin hit brock with a jab as he shot for a takedown, and i guarantee any of the top boxers today would have put him to sleep with that jab.

Good to see we have the worlds foremost expert on all MMA on getbig. You've got it broken down to percentages and guarantees! You really know your it all bro. Awesome.

[AC Slater]

Good to see we have the worlds foremost expert on all MMA on getbig. You've got it broken down to percentages and guarantees! You really know your it all bro. Awesome.

Have you forgotten Sylvia vs. Mercer?

or how about Couture vs. Toney here in about a month?

See who is talking then.

[James Blunt]

Have you forgotten Sylvia vs. Mercer?

or how about Couture vs. Toney here in about a month?

See who is talking then.

Sylvia said he was going to represent MMA striking in that fight. He was dumb enough to go toe to toe with a medalist boxer. He's retarded and that hardly counts.

We'll see how Couture vs. Toney goes.

[AC Slater]

Sylvia said he was going to represent MMA striking in that fight. He was dumb enough to go toe to toe with a medalist boxer. He's retarded and that hardly counts.

We'll see how Couture vs. Toney goes.

first thing sylvia did in that fight was throw a leg kick... then he got KO'd about 5 seconds later.

He was ranked #2 in the world at the time that happened.

[James Blunt]

first thing sylvia did in that fight was throw a leg kick... then he got KO'd about 5 seconds later.

He was ranked #2 in the world at the time that happened.

Tim Sylvia is a retard. Anything standing is retarded with a boxer as great as Mercer.

When Couture destroys James Toney I'll open up this thread and laugh SON.  

[SgtSpar]

Haha, you must be a beast!!

Yeah genius, that post was about what a beast I am, not about how much the gloves protect your hands.

given mma rules, i would say a top level boxer would beat a top level mma fighter 80% of the time.


Alot of the twinks on here have no idea how dangerous a world class boxer's hands are.  4oz gloves or barenuckle = jabs will put you to sleep.  Carwin hit brock with a jab as he shot for a takedown, and i guarantee any of the top boxers today would have put him to sleep with that jab.

Given that I actually train in both, I think I might know more about it than you do.  I also like both sports, and don't automatically rip on one of them constantly like you do MMA.  What happened, a guy in a tapout shirt fuck your girl in a men's room while you were waiting in line at the bar to buy her a drink?  A top-level boxer has no more chance of beating an MMA guy under MMA rules than the MMA guy has of beating the boxer under boxing rules.  Its so simple to understand I can't believe anyone still debates it.

[che]

  A top-level boxer has no more chance of beating an MMA guy under MMA rules than the MMA guy has of beating the boxer under boxing rules.  Its so simple to understand I can't believe anyone still debates it.

Totally disagree

[SgtSpar]

Totally disagree

You and I have had this discussion before and I think we will have to agree to disagree.  Until they can find a way to entice world class boxers into the lose/lose situation of entering MMA, all we can do is look at the history of MMA.  All strikers in MMA now train in grappling too, if only to help ward off being taken down.  A pure boxer that has no knowledge of grappling is going to be taken down and beaten on the ground 99 times out of a 100.  Before everyone cross-trained striking and grappling, grapplers ruled the day.  Strikers had no chance whatsoever. 

[che]

You and I have had this discussion before and I think we will have to agree to disagree.  Until they can find a way to entice world class boxers into the lose/lose situation of entering MMA, all we can do is look at the history of MMA.  All strikers in MMA now train in grappling too, if only to help ward off being taken down.  A pure boxer that has no knowledge of grappling is going to be taken down and beaten on the ground 99 times out of a 100.  Before everyone cross-trained striking and grappling, grapplers ruled the day.  Strikers had no chance whatsoever. 

Do you think  James Toney has any chance against Couture ?

[pellius]

How about this: take Tyson in his prime and clone him and call him Tyson2. Give Tyson2 D1 Wrestling, Mundial level BJJ, Muy Thai... who wins? All else being equal the MMA fighter wins simply because they have more tools. Stop with the silly arguments and inane comparisons.

I also want to address this issue of MMA fighters having weak chins. Friends, we all have weak chins. If you've ever been hit on the button something special happens to you. It's not like getting knocked out by the sheer force of a punch to the cheek bone. It's much different. That little spot on the chin is a very special place. And boxers know that and have generations of training to defend that particular spot that it's just second nature.

Boxers compared to an MMA fighter have a very limited target area and they know about the chin. That's why boxers hold the hands the way they do, and tuck in their chin the way they do. And why it's so much harder to hit the button if you are a boxer. You hold your hands like that in an MMA match you will get taken down at will and have you legs kicked and kneed to death.

Unless you are a Neanderthal, it doesn't matter if you are a boxer or an MMA fighter or a bouncer, take it just right on the chin and it's lights out.

[SgtSpar]

Do you think  James Toney has any chance against Couture ?

Anyone with great punching skills has some chance, but its a very small one.

[noworries]

Anyone with great punching skills has some chance, but its a very small one.

Wassn't Couture a boxing champion in the military

How about this: take Tyson in his prime and clone him and call him Tyson2. Give Tyson2 D1 Wrestling, Mundial level BJJ, Muy Thai... who wins? All else being equal the MMA fighter wins simply because they have more tools. Stop with the silly arguments and inane comparisons.

I also want to address this issue of MMA fighters having weak chins. Friends, we all have weak chins. If you've ever been hit on the button something special happens to you. It's not like getting knocked out by the sheer force of a punch to the cheek bone. It's much different. That little spot on the chin is a very special place. And boxers know that and have generations of training to defend that particular spot that it's just second nature.

Boxers compared to an MMA fighter have a very limited target area and they know about the chin. That's why boxers hold the hands the way they do, and tuck in their chin the way they do. And why it's so much harder to hit the button if you are a boxer. You hold your hands like that in an MMA match you will get taken down at will and have you legs kicked and kneed to death.

Unless you are a Neanderthal, it doesn't matter if you are a boxer or an MMA fighter or a bouncer, take it just right on the chin and it's lights out.

Agree

No one here knows my friend Craig Kukuk but some diehard Gracie fans might.  To this day I don't anyone in his weight class or above that could have beaten him if he competed.  He had superior boxing skills and to this day hit harder than anyone I have seen in person except for Tyson.  And being the first American to achieve a black belt in Gracie Jiu-Jitsu I have a feeling his ground game is unreal.  I know he was very good in high school wrestling so he had that natural talent and strength.  Even Rickson said he would never want to fight Craig.  I heard way back at the very beginning Craig was offered a great deal of money to compete but his wife said absolutely not.,  Plus I heard he hurt his lower back and didn't want to aggravate it more.  I know this is all just speculation but I it is my opinion after seeing the guys he would have had to fight.  He weighed about 195 to 210 usually

[SgtSpar]

No one here knows my friend Craig Kukuk but some diehard Gracie fans might. 

I have an old GJJ instructional tape with him on it.  His ground game looks solid on there, but of course, he isn't rolling, just explaining techniques.

[bodybuilder1234]

That little spot on the chin is a very special place. And boxers know that and have generations of training to defend that particular spot that it's just second nature.

Boxers compared to an MMA fighter have a very limited target area and they know about the chin. That's why boxers hold the hands the way they do, and tuck in their chin the way they do. And why it's so much harder to hit the button if you are a boxer. You hold your hands like that in an MMA match you will get taken down at will and have you legs kicked and kneed to death.

Unless you are a Neanderthal, it doesn't matter if you are a boxer or an MMA fighter or a bouncer, take it just right on the chin and it's lights out.

lol what nonsense

Not all boxers chins are the same, someone like a Oliver Mccall could take just about every shot a man could hit with him; chin or not. The difference in capability to take a shot partly is natural but the consistent training and sparring in the gym develops their chin to withstand more punishment than the average person.
Mexican fighters in general have good sturdy chins because their style of boxing is to go in and brawl with their opponent, if they had a chin like Brock Lesnar it just wouldnt work.
Also their recovery time is much faster, if they get hit hard on the chin they simply shake it off.

[bodybuilder1234]

and to say James Toney represents boxing is absolutely laughable.

1)

James Toney is a 43 year old man who slurs his words nowadays, he probably even has brain damage.

2)

Hes a blown up middleweight (160lbs) who went up to the heavyweight division (216lbs) eating too many Mcdonald cheeseburgers. Standing at 5'9 inches in height.


3) Toney also happens to be a counter puncher so his style really wont work well against a grappler anyway.

4) He's washed up, his prime was in the 90's when he was in the middleweight, supermiddle weight divisions

People are looking way too into this

[SgtSpar]

and to say James Toney represents boxing is absolutely laughable.

1)

James Toney is a 43 year old man who slurs his words nowadays, he probably even has brain damage.

2)

Hes a blown up middleweight (160lbs) who went up to the heavyweight division (216lbs) eating too many Mcdonald cheeseburgers. Standing at 5'9 inches in height.


3) Toney also happens to be a counter puncher so his style really wont work well against a grappler anyway.

4) He's washed up, his prime was in the 90's when he was in the middleweight, supermiddle weight divisions

People are looking way too into this

Couture is 47.  If Toney doesn't represent boxing, what style would you say he represents?

[bodybuilder1234]

Couture is 47.  If Toney doesn't represent boxing, what style would you say he represents?

James Toney has a unique counter punching style which in my opinion is ineffective against Grapplers. But someone more aggressive like a prime Evander Holyfield would be much more effective, hes a natural heavyweight for starters.

Im not sure if the MMA world sees this as a boxing vs MMA standoff but the boxing world sure as hell doesnt.

[che]

You can't train a chin .