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Ohio hamburger chain says insurance reform will bite into profits [White Castle, IHoP endangered]
Cleveland.com ^ | 07/04/10 | Sabrina Eaton


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The White Castle hamburger chain fears that a health insurance reform law adopted earlier this year will put its profits on a downward slide.

The Columbus-based family owned restaurant chain - known for serving small square hamburgers called "sliders" – says a single provision in the bill will eat up roughly 55 percent of its yearly net income after 2014.

Starting that year, the bill levies a $3,000-per-employee penalty on companies whose workers pay more than 9.5 percent of household income in premiums for company-provided insurance.

White Castle, which currently provides insurance to all of its full-time workers and picks up 70 to 89 percent of their premium costs, believes it will likely end up paying those penalties. The financial hit will make it hard for the company to maintain its 421 restaurants, let alone create new jobs, says company spokesman Jamie Richardson. White Castle employs more than 10,000 people nationwide, and more than 1,200 in Ohio.

Though advocates of the health insurance bill say its reforms will boost employment, House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio, a vocal foe of the changes, says White Castle's analysis shows how the law's "job-crushing" impact will be most severe in lower-income areas, where jobs like those at White Castle are most needed.

"The irony is that in the name of expanding health care coverage, the administration is making it harder than ever for unskilled workers to get started in the workforce," Boehner said in a missive on White Castle's plight.


Boehner's predictions don't mesh with White House Council of Economic Advisors estimates that health care reform will create 320,000 jobs in upcoming years. The White House has said employees at larger companies aren't likely to notice any difference in their insurance coverage, and that changes in the bill will particularly help small businesses by driving down their premium costs and making it easier for them to insure workers.

"While opponents of reform have raised concerns that some of the provisions in the President's proposal will harm small businesses and their employees, the facts, figures, and discussion below show that the proposal will mean tax cuts, no new requirements, and numerous other benefits," said a blog posting from the group's chair, Christina Romer, and its senior economist, Mark Duggan.

That's not how the National Council of Chain Restaurants sees it. Restaurant group vice president Scott Vinson says the entire restaurant industry will have trouble dealing with costs the bill imposes in 2014, including a $2,000-per-worker penalty that companies with more than 50 employees must pay if their workers end up purchasing federally subsidized insurance rather than getting insurance from their employers.

"There is the expense of actually providing the insurance, then the expense of not providing insurance," says Vinson. "It will be expensive either way."

George Ebinger of New Jersey, who owns several International House of Pancakes restaurants, says the penalties for not insuring his 140 workers will cost roughly half as much as insuring them. He figures he will have to raise prices and possibly lay off workers to come up with the $220,000 he anticipates the penalties will cost.

"We are still figuring out how to deal with this," says Ebinger. "Ultimately, either businesses will close or consumers will pay more."


Problems will be felt throughout the retail industry, which employs many entry-level workers, says National Retail Federation vice president Neil Trautwein. He says employers will face tough choices when the mandates become effective in 2014.

"We do worry about this discouraging employment, particularly when employment hasn't taken off," says Trautwein.

But White House Office of Health Reform Director Nancy-Ann DeParle says 97 percent of the nation's companies won't pay any penalties under the new law.

"The principle underlying this bill is: if you don't offer coverage and you have workers who the taxpayers are supporting to get their coverage, than you must make a relatively small contribution," says DeParle. "I understand that they don't like it and believe it will cut into their profits, but it is a relatively small contribution to defray costs to taxpayers."

Steven Kreisberg of the 1.4 million-member American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees union, questions White Castle's calculations. His union represents food service workers in Ohio public schools and other institutions.

He figures many of the White Castle workers who would end up paying a significant amount of their income for premiums would opt to buy less expensive coverage from a federal exchange.

"Let's not forget that since the worker is declining their coverage, they don't have to pay insurance for that worker," says Kreisberg, the union's health care policy director. "So they would be saving money at the same time as they are paying the penalty."

White Castle recognizes it won't continue paying health insurance bills for workers who buy insurance on the federal exchange, but Richardson says the company predicts its insurance costs would still rise because its healthiest young employees, who make the least money, would be most likely to transfer to the federal program. An exodus of healthy workers from the company's insurance plan would drive up costs for those who remain, the company forecasts.

White Castle, which began offering health insurance to workers in 1924, is also examining whether it would make financial sense for the company to eliminate health insurance coverage altogether and have all its employees buy insurance on the federal exchange, says Richardson.

"It would be incongruent with how we run our business, but we have to think that through," says Richardson. "No matter what, we will do what's best for our team members."

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Obama - destroying thousands a jobs daily. 



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I blame this on the "former administration."


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Well.....it crushes jobs, stunts job growth and prevents corporations from hiring, expanding and making money.

In the end...wasn't this the point? All of these people will be out of work or not even able to enter the workforce. This means they will get free insurance or cheap insurance anyways...hooked on the govt. for survival and no where else to go.


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GigantorX - just look at the clueless gaze by Obama in this clip when Ryan explains some of the terrible problems with this health care fiasco and this is all you need to know about just who is running the show in the Govt. 

They are clueless, inept, ignorant, and lacking any private sector experience whatsoever.


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Ohio hamburger chain says insurance reform will bite into profits [White Castle, IHoP endangered]
Cleveland.com ^ | 07/04/10 | Sabrina Eaton


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The White Castle hamburger chain fears that a health insurance reform law adopted earlier this year will put its profits on a downward slide.

The Columbus-based family owned restaurant chain - known for serving small square hamburgers called "sliders" – says a single provision in the bill will eat up roughly 55 percent of its yearly net income after 2014.

Starting that year, the bill levies a $3,000-per-employee penalty on companies whose workers pay more than 9.5 percent of household income in premiums for company-provided insurance.

White Castle, which currently provides insurance to all of its full-time workers and picks up 70 to 89 percent of their premium costs, believes it will likely end up paying those penalties. The financial hit will make it hard for the company to maintain its 421 restaurants, let alone create new jobs, says company spokesman Jamie Richardson. White Castle employs more than 10,000 people nationwide, and more than 1,200 in Ohio.

Though advocates of the health insurance bill say its reforms will boost employment, House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio, a vocal foe of the changes, says White Castle's analysis shows how the law's "job-crushing" impact will be most severe in lower-income areas, where jobs like those at White Castle are most needed.

"The irony is that in the name of expanding health care coverage, the administration is making it harder than ever for unskilled workers to get started in the workforce," Boehner said in a missive on White Castle's plight.


Boehner's predictions don't mesh with White House Council of Economic Advisors estimates that health care reform will create 320,000 jobs in upcoming years. The White House has said employees at larger companies aren't likely to notice any difference in their insurance coverage, and that changes in the bill will particularly help small businesses by driving down their premium costs and making it easier for them to insure workers.

"While opponents of reform have raised concerns that some of the provisions in the President's proposal will harm small businesses and their employees, the facts, figures, and discussion below show that the proposal will mean tax cuts, no new requirements, and numerous other benefits," said a blog posting from the group's chair, Christina Romer, and its senior economist, Mark Duggan.

That's not how the National Council of Chain Restaurants sees it. Restaurant group vice president Scott Vinson says the entire restaurant industry will have trouble dealing with costs the bill imposes in 2014, including a $2,000-per-worker penalty that companies with more than 50 employees must pay if their workers end up purchasing federally subsidized insurance rather than getting insurance from their employers.

"There is the expense of actually providing the insurance, then the expense of not providing insurance," says Vinson. "It will be expensive either way."

George Ebinger of New Jersey, who owns several International House of Pancakes restaurants, says the penalties for not insuring his 140 workers will cost roughly half as much as insuring them. He figures he will have to raise prices and possibly lay off workers to come up with the $220,000 he anticipates the penalties will cost.

"We are still figuring out how to deal with this," says Ebinger. "Ultimately, either businesses will close or consumers will pay more."


Problems will be felt throughout the retail industry, which employs many entry-level workers, says National Retail Federation vice president Neil Trautwein. He says employers will face tough choices when the mandates become effective in 2014.

"We do worry about this discouraging employment, particularly when employment hasn't taken off," says Trautwein.

But White House Office of Health Reform Director Nancy-Ann DeParle says 97 percent of the nation's companies won't pay any penalties under the new law.

"The principle underlying this bill is: if you don't offer coverage and you have workers who the taxpayers are supporting to get their coverage, than you must make a relatively small contribution," says DeParle. "I understand that they don't like it and believe it will cut into their profits, but it is a relatively small contribution to defray costs to taxpayers."

Steven Kreisberg of the 1.4 million-member American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees union, questions White Castle's calculations. His union represents food service workers in Ohio public schools and other institutions.

He figures many of the White Castle workers who would end up paying a significant amount of their income for premiums would opt to buy less expensive coverage from a federal exchange.

"Let's not forget that since the worker is declining their coverage, they don't have to pay insurance for that worker," says Kreisberg, the union's health care policy director. "So they would be saving money at the same time as they are paying the penalty."

White Castle recognizes it won't continue paying health insurance bills for workers who buy insurance on the federal exchange, but Richardson says the company predicts its insurance costs would still rise because its healthiest young employees, who make the least money, would be most likely to transfer to the federal program. An exodus of healthy workers from the company's insurance plan would drive up costs for those who remain, the company forecasts.

White Castle, which began offering health insurance to workers in 1924, is also examining whether it would make financial sense for the company to eliminate health insurance coverage altogether and have all its employees buy insurance on the federal exchange, says Richardson.

"It would be incongruent with how we run our business, but we have to think that through," says Richardson. "No matter what, we will do what's best for our team members."

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Obama - destroying thousands a jobs daily. 




You still on this BLAME OBAMA FOR EVERYTHING rant?.... Won't Work. White Castle is already providing insurance for all of its employees according tot he article, so it is not subject to the health insurance policy, which won't take effect I believe until 2015. If White castle closes it will be because like so many other stores, chains, industries etc is falling victim to the economic state of america. Healthcare is NOT what has closed all of the businesses in america.. healthcare did NOT make the Wall streeters pull the PONZI game on the masses in america and defraud them of TRILLIONS, healthcare is NOT what caused outsourcing etc etc etc.
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Yes, this is obama's fault.   I guess you know better than the CFO of the company.   ::)  ::)

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They’re not exempt.
You’ve got to read the fine print.
Yes, WC is providing insurance, but the premiums are below the bill's required percentages.
That means WC will have to either increase the premiums they cover, or pay a $3,000.00 fine per employee who falls under the limit.

If they can’t sustain either, they’ll go out of business.
This theme will unfortunately be more common among (and devastate) many small businesses.



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If WC goes out - we may not get gems like this. 

Damn the memories.  BTW - NYC is freaking boiling today.

I love White Castle's on Fordham Road in the Boogie Down Bronx.  The one on Boston Post road not so much.   

"I went to White Castle and I got thrown out" 

"White Castle fries only come in one size" 





 

 

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"White Castle fries only come in one size...."

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"White Castle fries only come in one size...."

Beasties kicked ass and were something i could realte to as a kid in the Bronx. 

They were jews but they were still cool as hell. 

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Yes, this is obama's fault.   I guess you know better than the CFO of the company.   ::)  ::)


wow, a CEO that is a republican.  Who woulda thinkit/

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They’re not exempt.
You’ve got to read the fine print.
Yes, WC is providing insurance, but the premiums are below the bill's required percentages.
That means WC will have to either increase the premiums they cover, or pay a $3,000.00 fine per employee who falls under the limit.

If they can’t sustain either, they’ll go out of business.
This theme will unfortunately be more common among (and devastate) many small businesses.




Well that sure puts much of Samson123's post out to pasture.

Of course he still is very much correct about this nations economic state.

1 outta' 2 ain't bad.

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wow, a CEO that is a republican.  Who woulda thinkit/

Yeah imagine that 240 - someone actually with a clue on basic business and economics, unlike your hero Obama. 

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Ha ha ha.  Morons.  Boggie down YO! ! ! ! !

 


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This guy must be kicking himself right now for supporting Obama.

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I had this one chick who worked for a client of mine near the WC in S. Yonkers who would not let me in unless I brought her fish nibblers and onion rings.  She was a bootylicious black chick.   

I would have hit it, but ghetto chicks aint my thing considering she had 5 kids with 6 men. 

 ;D  ;D

   

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Well that sure puts much of Samson123's post out to pasture.

Of course he still is very much correct about this nations economic state.

1 outta' 2 ain't bad.


LOL!
I’m not trying to put anyone’s posts or ideas out to pasture.
But, this is an excellent example of people’s thought process - especially the ones claiming that this healthcare bill isn’t the evil monster that so many of us fear.

The people hurriedly dismissing and/or supporting it are neglecting many crucial details of the bill.
Samson missed a major point in a simple 929-word article.

Do you know how many pages the entire reform bill is?


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LOL!
I’m not trying to put anyone’s posts or ideas out to pasture.
But, this is an excellent example of people’s thought process - especially the ones claiming that this healthcare bill isn’t the evil monster that so many of us fear.

The people hurriedly dismissing and/or supporting it are neglecting many crucial details of the bill.
Samson missed a major point in a simple 929-word article.

Do you know how many pages the entire reform bill is?



10 million? 50,000? It could have been 3 pages and no-one in Congress would bother to read it.

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The bottom line is that many companies are probably undergoing the same internal research that WC is and reaching the same conclusions, that this mess of a bill is going to destroy profits and potential growth.