Game on: Feds to file lawsuit over AZ immigration law today. BRING IT ZERO!

[Soul Crusher]

Good one. 

[240 is Back]

sorry, if a Cali DL isn't good enough - In america - to drive thru AZ,then there is a real problem with that law.

You have to carry your birth cert to visit the state now, correct?  A Cali DL isn't enough to prove you're legal?

[Option D]

Absolutely not true at all.  Bush was trashed from the right for pushing amnesty.  Remember why amnesty for illegals failed?  

Remember everyone calling him Jorge Boosh?  

One of the reasons the GOP lost in 2006 mid terms was because the right wing based was so pissed over this issue and stayed home.  

I was one of the loudest voices against W on FR and got kicked off of there along with hundreds of others over this issue. 

To say everyone was silent when W did this is simply not true. 

Im talking about all issues. Not just this...You magnify every issue here when Bush was fuckin up...fucked off the surplus...and was re elected...so dont give me shit about "Bush was bashed by the majority" because it wasnt close

[tonymctones]

sorry, if a Cali DL isn't good enough - In america - to drive thru AZ,then there is a real problem with that law.

You have to carry your birth cert to visit the state now, correct?  A Cali DL isn't enough to prove you're legal?

well then get off your ass and call your representative and get them to enforce the law that you have to prove citizenship to get a cali DL dumb ass...

[tonymctones]

You are right about that...and i totally feel you...but bro...all this clammering wasnt going on when dubya was in office..Only Sarcasm was going hard against Bush. It was business as usual with everyone else...Now that Obama is in office...for some strange reason everything is magnified. You know that to be the case.

bro many on here bashed bush for this or that including myself and Im from Houston you know where the bush's home town? bush was a failure and I argue that all the time even to my nut hugging friends...

I agree alot more ppl are clammering now but there were plenty clammering then as well...ppl are hypersensitive about the issues now b/c the state of the country and everything is magnified youre correct but that doesnt make what they are saying wrong...try and focus on the message and not who is saying it so much....

[Soul Crusher]

Im talking about all issues. Not just this...You magnify every issue here when Bush was fuckin up...fucked off the surplus...and was re elected...so dont give me shit about "Bush was bashed by the majority" because it wasnt close

That's just not true Mal.  Did you pay attention back then? 

Bush was rightfully hammered for many things, whether it was the dubai ports mess, lingering wars, illegals, harriet meirs, etc.  Kerry would have won but for Ohio, and if Kerry were even remotely normal, would have won. 

There was a world wide march against Bush, new groups like code pinko, etc. 

As for the Stimulus with Bush, I guess you forget the house republicans voting against that and nancy pelosi calling them unpatriotic? 

Seriously, dont act like obama is getting a bum rap and everyone else got a free ride for the same crap that is going on since that is not true. 

   

[240 is Back]

well then get off your ass and call your representative and get them to enforce the law that you have to prove citizenship to get a cali DL dumb ass...

my state doesn't pull this kinda bullshit.  It's your state.  Round here, if I see an illegal, or anyone engaged in crime, I call the popo and chase them off my block.  I don't sit around and wait for the govt to do something about it.

Me and the older war vets chased all the riff raff out of our trailer park a few years back.  I didnt care if they were legal, illegal, whatever... if they were loitering, engaged in drug use, etc, we'd call on them, and we'd be continually present.  Call it a neighborhood watch.

If every american was jut as vigilant, we wouldn't be talking about how slow the govt response is.  We'd be talking about how our streets are safe.

[Soul Crusher]

my state doesn't pull this kinda bullshit.  It's your state.  Round here, if I see an illegal, or anyone engaged in crime, I call the popo and chase them off my block.  I don't sit around and wait for the govt to do something about it.

Me and the older war vets chased all the riff raff out of our trailer park a few years back.  I didnt care if they were legal, illegal, whatever... if they were loitering, engaged in drug use, etc, we'd call on them, and we'd be continually present.  Call it a neighborhood watch.

If every american was jut as vigilant, we wouldn't be talking about how slow the govt response is.  We'd be talking about how our streets are safe.

How do you know who is illegal? 

[George Whorewell]

Im talking about all issues. Not just this...You magnify every issue here when Bush was fuckin up...fucked off the surplus...and was re elected...so dont give me shit about "Bush was bashed by the majority" because it wasnt close

1- Bush did not run on the hope and change platform. By definition, the reelection of the incumbent is more of the same. Many voted him in for a second term because we were in the midst of two wars and Kerry was not a viable alternative. Also, throw in low UE, continued economic prosperity and the rabid movement of the left to remove him from office ( even going as far as to use a Hollywood documentary; Fahrenheit 911) and most people were going to bend over backwards just to keep him.

2- Do you consider the "majority" to be the virtual entirety of the media, entertainment industry, the international community, most people in the United States under 30, about half the country that votes, and the entire democratic party? He was bashed so badly, that two years after leaving office, his predecessors still blame him for everything and anything that goes wrong anywhere in the world.

3- I hate to use a schoolyard analogy, but two wrongs don't make a right. Obama is the president now. Obama was supposed to herald the dawn of a new day. A throughly inexperienced used car salesman is currently the leader of the free world. Fake it to make it doesn't work anymore. Smiling and giving uplifting speeches is a poor substitute for governing. The sooner he and his supporters realize that, the better. 

[Dos Equis]

What is the difference between this law and the ones (like the one we just passed here) that crack down on employers who hire illegals? 

[Option D]

bro many on here bashed bush for this or that including myself and Im from Houston you know where the bush's home town? bush was a failure and I argue that all the time even to my nut hugging friends...

I agree alot more ppl are clammering now but there were plenty clammering then as well...ppl are hypersensitive about the issues now b/c the state of the country and everything is magnified youre correct but that doesnt make what they are saying wrong...try and focus on the message and not who is saying it so much....

Ill give you that..and i could listen to the message too...Dont get me wrong, i dont think Obama is doing everything right, i hate how he watered down Healthcare (should have been universal but something is better than nothin), Didnt end the afgan war (what the fuck are we there for) , and the gitmo thing. But I still think we needed the Stim and with out it, we would be fucked worse than we are now. Auto bail out...yeah...cant imagine a world without chevy...Supreme court...i loved it...get some diversity in there.

But what im saying is this. Bush got a crazy surplus when he took office, STUPID MONEY....He fucked off 911 and compounded it with Iraq...in less than a year fucked up everything we had going (money wise)...Shit...gas was like 1.12 when he took office, that shit was 4.60 when he left...now i aint sayin 911 was his fault but there is mucho evidence that says there was information about it....So he fucks off soliders and money in 2 wars (still dosent find bin laden. gets on a boat and says mission accomplished....AND GETS RE-ELECTED......Thats what im saying bro...and bros like 3333 who create the "sky is falling" atmosphere around everything, use extreme hyperbole to describe issues and then turn around and endorse SARAH PALIN...come on man.. im only human. theres only a certian amount a man can put up with.

[Soul Crusher]

Ill give you that..and i could listen to the message too...Dont get me wrong, i dont think Obama is doing everything right, i hate how he watered down Healthcare (should have been universal but something is better than nothin), Didnt end the afgan war (what the fuck are we there for) , and the gitmo thing. But I still think we needed the Stim and with out it, we would be fucked worse than we are now. Auto bail out...yeah...cant imagine a world without chevy...Supreme court...i loved it...get some diversity in there.

But what im saying is this. Bush got a crazy surplus when he took office, STUPID MONEY....He fucked off 911 and compounded it with Iraq...in less than a year fucked up everything we had going (money wise)...Shit...gas was like 1.12 when he took office, that shit was 4.60 when he left...now i aint sayin 911 was his fault but there is mucho evidence that says there was information about it....So he fucks off soliders and money in 2 wars (still dosent find bin laden. gets on a boat and says mission accomplished....AND GETS RE-ELECTED......Thats what im saying bro...and bros like 3333 who create the "sky is falling" atmosphere around everything, use extreme hyperbole to describe issues and then turn around and endorse SARAH PALIN...come on man.. im only human. theres only a certian amount a man can put up with.

Have you seen my 1,000,000 posts saying I don't want her for pres in 2012? 

As for Bush, yes he was a disaster in many ways, but that does not excuse Obama. 

Cap & trade, amnesty for illegals, obamacare, etc are horrible policies.   

[Skip8282]

What is the difference between this law and the ones (like the one we just passed here) that crack down on employers who hire illegals? 

Yep.  The governor's been firing back that you don't see the feds suing sanctuary cities even though they are in clear violation of federal law, but they sue a State that's trying to help them.

Only in Obamaland...where we also apologize to brutal, communist, dictatorial regimes.

[Option D]

Only in Obamaland....

This is the shit im talking about 33333...

Before Obama came the country was perfect. But when he became President ...America is in the toilet

[Soul Crusher]

This is the shit im talking about 33333...

Like what?  That, was Skips' post, not mine. 

Please give me an aexcuse for Obama suing AZ in this?  and please don't include Palins' report card or the name "Bush". 

Same for Obama dropping the case with the Black Panthers' guy saying we should kill whites. 

[Option D]

Like what?  That, was Skips' post, not mine. 

Please give me an aexcuse for Obama suing AZ in this?  and please don't include Palins' report card or the name "Bush". 

Same for Obama dropping the case with the Black Panthers' guy saying we should kill whites. 

no you wondered why i went hard...and thats why...."ONLY IN OBAMA LAND"..as if in any other land...it was all peaches and cream

And provide the link to the Fake Black Panther that said that..are you talking about the Philly thing?

[Soul Crusher]

no you wondered why i went hard...and thats why...."ONLY IN OBAMA LAND"..as if in any other land...it was all peaches and cream

And provide the link to the Fake Black Panther that said that..are you talking about the Philly thing?

Just click on my thread bro about the DOJ Lawyer. 

And please - you are claiming this guy is plant now? 

Ha ha - you will go to any length to defend Obama won't you.  I wonder why.   

[Skip8282]

no you wondered why i went hard...and thats why...."ONLY IN OBAMA LAND"..as if in any other land...it was all peaches and cream

And provide the link to the Fake Black Panther that said that..are you talking about the Philly thing?

That's not what I said, nor implied, just your dumbass interpretation.  You can't figure out a way to defend this nonsense so you're off on some tangent about a utopia that nobody ever even suggested.  Are you actually capable of refuting the issue?  Or maybe you want to piss and moan because President Garfield wasn't a perfect a President too? 

[Option D]

Just click on my thread bro about the DOJ Lawyer. 

And please - you are claiming this guy is plant now? 

Ha ha - you will go to any length to defend Obama won't you.  I wonder why.   

Who the fuck said anything about a plant...
And no i dont defend Obama on everything...i just dont blame him for everything or Praise him for everything.

Again..i will tell you what i dont like about obama for the like 20th time...Bro...Healthcare reform was wack because it didnt cover enough...it was watered down. Gitmo needs to be closed and troops from over seas need to go..I hated how he endorsed offshore drilling...and i said it when he said it...that was wack as shit...I never start threads about Obama ..like i never started anything about Bush. I dont look at shit with a partisan slant. Im a scientist by nature and trade... i dont have my opinion about something before i read the facts or consider all factors involved...nor do i trust every writer that puts pen to paper or voice to microphone...I just dont.,..I never understood this politics thing....and i still dont to some degree... Meg whitman drops hella millions of her own money to take a job paying a couple hundred grand...just dont know

[Soul Crusher]

Who the fuck said anything about a plant...
And no i dont defend Obama on everything...i just dont blame him for everything or Praise him for everything.

Again..i will tell you what i dont like about obama for the like 20th time...Bro...Healthcare reform was wack because it didnt cover enough...it was watered down. Gitmo needs to be closed and troops from over seas need to go..I hated how he endorsed offshore drilling...and i said it when he said it...that was wack as shit...I never start threads about Obama ..like i never started anything about Bush. I dont look at shit with a partisan slant. Im a scientist by nature and trade... i dont have my opinion about something before i read the facts or consider all factors involved...nor do i trust every writer that puts pen to paper or voice to microphone...I just dont.,..I never understood this politics thing....and i still dont to some degree... Meg whitman drops hella millions of her own money to take a job paying a couple hundred grand...just dont know

If you want to have a Bush bash, I'll join you. 

And it seems like you are arguing the problem with Obama is that he is not left-wing enough? 

Whats' wrong with GITMO BTW?  I have been in jails in NYC that are worse than that place. 

As for drilling - do you like 100,000 more people out of work and the states going broke since they derive much of their income from that industry? 

As for the ObamaCare- that was a corporate giveway and heist from working people to corporations and people looking for handouts. 

Do you want to discuss cap & trade and the looming VAT tax? 

[George Whorewell]

Has anyone noticed-- and I'm not just basing this observation on the getbig political message board, that a lot of Obama supporters (especially the black ones) take any and all criticism directed at Obama personally?

It's almost as if every single response to a legitimate criticism of Obama is twisted into a response by his supporters that manages to rationalize his short comings (Blame Bush xyz,  Blame Fox News xyz) while personally attacking the person that made the comment (racist, homophobe, reactionary, redneck, bigot, uneducated, etc.).

Objectivity goes out the window when you try to discuss reality with those who have a personal stake in the Obama presidency. If the man who was supposed to change everything for the better makes everything worse, will the great social achievement of a black president become a dream deferred to his supporters? I think that the pendulum is finally starting to swing away from the PC zombies that are obsessed with the idea of a black president to the extent that merely occupying the office as Preisdent supersedes actual policy and the rapid deterioration of the country.

[Option D]

If you want to have a Bush bash, I'll join you. 

And it seems like you are arguing the problem with Obama is that he is not left-wing enough? 

Whats' wrong with GITMO BTW?  I have been in jails in NYC that are worse than that place. 

As for drilling - do you like 100,000 more people out of work and the states going broke since they derive much of their income from that industry? 

As for the ObamaCare- that was a corporate giveway and heist from working people to corporations and people looking for handouts. 

Do you want to discuss cap & trade and the looming VAT tax? 

Exactly...Obama isnt Doing the shit he said in the way he said it...I voted for him because i thought he would close Gitmo and i thought he would champion healthcare better than that

I dont like the Legal Limbo Gitmo sits in. Deport them after trial and be done with it.. But that wishy washy place is to gray area for me...

I wanted every American to get health care.. The fact that someone lives down the street from a hospital but will die from untreated cancer is retarded to me..

Drilling....My father is an oil man...he said that offshore drilling was dangerous 3 years ago..I think (like my dad said) that because there hasnt been any new refineries built in 30 years...and all of the current ones run at 100% capacity...gas wont go down and supply dont matter if we cant process it. Also. There is more OIL SHELL in the Colorado Rockies that we can refine at $32/ba than there is oil in all of the saudis. ...Thats why im against offshore drilling...my dad said these exact words (and pops is a rebublican) "if something happens to a pipe a mile under water...we wont be able to get to it.

[Soul Crusher]

Exactly...Obama isnt Doing the shit he said in the way he said it...I voted for him because i thought he would close Gitmo and i thought he would champion healthcare better than that

I dont like the Legal Limbo Gitmo sits in. Deport them after trial and be done with it.. But that wishy washy place is to gray area for me...

I wanted every American to get health care.. The fact that someone lives down the street from a hospital but will die from untreated cancer is retarded to me..

Drilling....My father is an oil man...he said that offshore drilling was dangerous 3 years ago..I think (like my dad said) that because there hasnt been any new refineries built in 30 years...and all of the current ones run at 100% capacity...gas wont go down and supply dont matter if we cant process it. Also. There is more OIL SHELL in the Colorado Rockies that we can refine at $32/ba than there is oil in all of the saudis. ...Thats why im against offshore drilling...my dad said these exact words (and pops is a rebublican) "if something happens to a pipe a mile under water...we wont be able to get to it.

Actually, I agree with you on the trial thing.  Whether there at GITMO or somnewhere else, everyone should get a trial or hearing.  I don't agree with indefinate detention.  That's totally not cool to me. 

The oil thing is interesting, and I have read about the refineries.  But why won't we build refineries?   

[Option D]

Actually, I agree with you on the trial thing.  Whether there at GITMO or somnewhere else, everyone should get a trial or hearing.  I don't agree with indefinate detention.  That's totally not cool to me. 

The oil thing is interesting, and I have read about the refineries.  But why won't we build refineries?   

My dad said "damn environment people" are the reason there arent any refineries.

This is what happened with "OIL SHELL" which is the material that produces oil in the Rockies

Ok...When they presented the findings, crude from arab land was like $26/barrell with no increase in site (1997) well the Oil shell was $33 bucks to produce so it wasnt cost effective. So they dropped it..Then years go by...contracts get written and politics happen...which is why we are sitting on a sea of oil and we aint touching it...look it up...i havent looked it up but i talked to my dad about it and he was in oil for 20 years with unocal/circle k ...and then i talked to some dude on a plane and he already knew all about it. He gave me more info but i forgot it

[Soul Crusher]

My dad said "damn environment people" are the reason there arent any refineries.

This is what happened with "OIL SHELL" which is the material that produces oil in the Rockies

Ok...When they presented the findings, crude from arab land was like $26/barrell with no increase in site (1997) well the Oil shell was $33 bucks to produce so it wasnt cost effective. So they dropped it..Then years go by...contracts get written and politics happen...which is why we are sitting on a sea of oil and we aint touching it...look it up...i havent looked it up but i talked to my dad about it and he was in oil for 20 years with unocal/circle k ...and then i talked to some dude on a plane and he already knew all about it. He gave me more info but i forgot it

Bro, your a good guy but just remember the KRS One interview i posted.  Obama, like Bush, is not there to work for you.  He, like Bush, is there to do the bidding of people who don't give a rats ass about myself or yourself.