Was breaking up Pride a good idea !??!?..

[Fury]

Please answer...you must have overlooked this question:

If I am wrong, why is the UFC so successful?

Because, until recently, there was nothing else, gimmick. I know you're a TUF fanboy and borderline retarded, but anyone who has been watching MMA for longer than a year (aka not you) can see that the quality of cards has fallen tremendously over the years. Let's not forget the article ChuteBoxe posted a few months ago showing that a lot of these UFC cards do jack shit in terms of PPV buys. Why is that, I wonder? 

And why is the UFC cancelling events for the first time if it's doing so well? LOL. Your meltdowns on that topic were pretty entertaining.

Don't worry, though. Your vested interest is safe for now. Carry on pulling talking points off the press release Dana e-mails you every week. 

[MindSpin]

LOL you have got to be fuckin kidding me.  Pride cards were 10x more stacked than ANY ufc card this year.

That is debatable.  But keep in mind, the UFC is putting on 15+ shows per year.  How many did Pride average?

[WeightPSHR]

Because, until recently, there was nothing else, gimmick. I know you're a TUF fanboy and borderline retarded, but anyone who has been watching MMA for longer than a year (aka not you) can see that the quality of cards has fallen tremendously over the years. Let's not forget the article ChuteBoxe posted a few months ago showing that a lot of these UFC cards do jack shit in terms of PPV buys. Why is that, I wonder? 

And why is the UFC cancelling events for the first time if it's doing so well? LOL. Your meltdowns on that topic were pretty entertaining.

Don't worry, though. Your vested interest is safe for now. Carry on pulling talking points off the press release Dana e-mails you every week. 

Until recently there was nothing else??? WTF? If anything there were more PREVIOUSLY!

You ever heard of Affliction, Elite-XC, WFA, PRO-Elite, IFL, just to name a FEW that tried to compete and couldn't stay in business.

Epic lack of MMA knowledge displayed in your post.

[MindSpin]

Because, until recently, there was nothing else, gimmick. I know you're a TUF fanboy and borderline retarded, but anyone who has been watching MMA for longer than a year (aka not you) can see that the quality of cards has fallen tremendously over the years. Let's not forget the article ChuteBoxe posted a few months ago showing that a lot of these UFC cards do jack shit in terms of PPV buys. Why is that, I wonder?  

And why is the UFC cancelling events for the first time if it's doing so well? LOL. Your meltdowns on that topic were pretty entertaining.

Don't worry, though. Your vested interest is safe for now. Carry on pulling talking points off the press release Dana e-mails you every week.  

You keep resorting to making stuff up.  That is self ownage right there my friend.

[MindSpin]

Until recently there was nothing else??? WTF? If anything there were more PREVIOUSLY!

You ever heard of Affliction, Elite-XC, WFA, PRO-Elite, IFL, just to name a FEW that tried to compete and couldn't stay in business.

Epic lack of MMA knowledge displayed in your post.

LOL!  Even more ownage.  Seriously BF, you see angry and spiteful.  Why are you even here

[Fury]

LOL!  Even more ownage.  Seriously BF, you see angry and spiteful.  Why are you even here

Why are you here? It's not like you and your 7+ gimmicks are MMA fans. You're UFC fanboys who are incapable of discussing anything outside of the UFC and exist to derail any thread not involving your UFC heroes.  

Maybe you should talk to Ron about starting a UFC sub-forum so the rest of us can discuss the actual sport and not one of the organizations involved in it.  

By the way, posting on your gimmick and then calling an owning on your main account 20 minutes later is about as sad as it gets.

[WeightPSHR]

Why are you here? It's not like you and your 7+ gimmicks are MMA fans. You're UFC fanboys who are incapable of discussing anything outside of the UFC and exist to derail any thread not involving your UFC heroes.  

Maybe you should talk to Ron about starting a UFC sub-forum so the rest of us can discuss the actual sport and not one of the organizations involved in it.  

By the way, posting on your gimmick and then calling an owning on your main account 20 minutes later is about as sad as it gets.

So care to defend yourself about saying that "until recently" there was no competition?

BTW...you are in violation of the rules of this board. If this board makes you so angry, maybe you should end it all and beat it.

[coltrane]

BF: 

You've gotten to be one of the most annoying posters on here.  EVERYTHING you write is an attack or a slam on UFC or anyone that likes it.  You used to post decent things.

I am not a gimmick of Mindspin.  Go read some of my early posts from years ago.  I've been in spats with him.  We just happen to both like UFC.   

You keep claiming he has gimmicks, but in reality, it's just an excuse of yours to downplay the fact that many on here like UFC and think they're fighters are quality. 

Please.  For the sake of other readers of this thread, Stop posting garbage. 

[WeightPSHR]

BF:  

You've gotten to be one of the most annoying posters on here.  EVERYTHING you write is an attack or a slam on UFC or anyone that likes it.  You used to post decent things.

I am not a gimmick of Mindspin.  Go read some of my early posts from years ago.  I've been in spats with him.  We just happen to both like UFC.  

You keep claiming he has gimmicks, but in reality, it's just an excuse of yours to downplay the fact that many on here like UFC and think they're fighters are quality.  

Please.  For the sake of other readers of this thread, Stop posting garbage.  

Agree...

Plus I suggest you stop all the lies and attacks. It is against the rules set forth for this board.
IMO if you don't clean up your act, a banning might fix your problem.

[MindSpin]

1. I have no gimmicks.  This has already been proven.
2. It's difficult to discuss anything outside the UFC, since the UFC has all the top fighters and is pretty much all of MMA.  That said, I love Bellator and plan on posting more once the new tournament starts.
3. Again, you seem angry.  All you ever do is insult people.  This board is probably not good for your health.  You should avoid it.

[AC Slater]

Please answer...you must have overlooked this question:

If I am wrong, why is the UFC so successful?

because they are the Walmart of MMA and use the same marketing tactics as the recording industry does to promote its pop stars.  They are very good at marketing I will give them that, but their product sucks.

Doesnt matter though, sheep will buy a product even if it sucks as long as it is marketed as the 'hip' and 'cool' thing to be doing.

[AC Slater]

That is debatable.  But keep in mind, the UFC is putting on 15+ shows per year.  How many did Pride average?

exactly right, 15+ shows is far too many.  If they did 1 show every 2 months, totaling 6 per year, each card could easily have multiple title fights.  There would also be alot more hype leading into the cards.

UFC is causing inflation of their ppv's by putting on to many shows, the result being severely watered down cards filled with no-namers fighting and maybe 1 title fight if you are lucky.  Boring and nowhere worth its $45 price tag.

[WeightPSHR]

because they are the Walmart of MMA and use the same marketing tactics as the recording industry does to promote its pop stars.  They are very good at marketing I will give them that, but their product sucks.

Doesnt matter though, sheep will buy a product even if it sucks as long as it is marketed as the 'hip' and 'cool' thing to be doing.

So are you saying that the UFC is CONTINUALLY fooling all it's fans several times a month? Every month of the year?

Not even sheep are that stupid.

[WeightPSHR]

exactly right, 15+ shows is far too many.  If they did 1 show every 2 months, totaling 6 per year, each card could easily have multiple title fights.  There would also be alot more hype leading into the cards.

UFC is causing inflation of their ppv's by putting on to many shows, the result being severely watered down cards filled with no-namers fighting and maybe 1 title fight if you are lucky.  Boring and nowhere worth its $45 price tag.

If you follow the sport, there are not too many no-namers being shown on PPV's.

You really need to get past the old PRIDE business model and UFC hate.

The UFC is the only relevant org out there.  Don't really know what you want out of MMA these days, when obviously what you want does not exist.

I got tired of the BS in other sports, and don't follow them as closely as I used to. Nothing wrong with the sports, its just times have changed.

[Earl1972]

Never said they weren't all quality, just said that the PRIDE business model needed improvement.
You might hate the changes the UFC has made to MMA, but like I said previously, your opinions are really a minority.

Hard to dispute when you have one company being VERY successful, and another that couldn't hack it, and eventually sold out.

so with this logic mcdonalds is the best restaurant in the world, right?

E

[Earl1972]

Please answer...you must have overlooked this question:

If I am wrong, why is the UFC so successful?

marketing, promotion, being in the US, national reality tv show

if it wasn't for tuf, ufc would've disappeared before pride

E

[MindSpin]

You are partially right Earl.  At one time, the UFC was no better than Pride.  Both had good & bad fighters.  Both had good & bad cards.  However, the UFC did a much better job of marketing their fights, and created a much better product.  As a result, they got a bigger audience and more revenue.  And with more revenue, they stomped on or gobbled up the competition.  Today, they have ALL of the top fighters, thus, they have they best cards.  With all of the best fighters under one roof, we will get to the all of the match-ups that everyone wants to see.  That's exciting!!!

[20inch calves]

That is debatable.  But keep in mind, the UFC is putting on 15+ shows per year.  How many did Pride average?

true. i have said many times that the ufc should cut the number of shows by half and start putting together better cards. i done watching the ufc for a while i can;t remember the last ufc that i watched thinking it wasn;t a big waste of my time

[WeightPSHR]

so with this logic mcdonalds is the best restaurant in the world, right?

E

Does McDonalds have all the #1 ranked foods in the world?

Besides, this is really a pears and carrots comparison.

It would be like trying to prove that baseball is the best SPORT int he world? Or is soccer?

Much too vague. Maybe you should think about your question a little more before making a fool of yourself.

[WeightPSHR]

marketing, promotion, being in the US, national reality tv show

if it wasn't for tuf, ufc would've disappeared before pride

E

OK....so this is negative for some reason?

You are knocking them for successfully selling/building a product?

Do you think if the UFC was such a sham, people would continue to support it, even through rough economic times?

[Earl1972]

Does McDonalds have all the #1 ranked foods in the world?

Besides, this is really a pears and carrots comparison.

It would be like trying to prove that baseball is the best SPORT int he world? Or is soccer?

Much too vague. Maybe you should think about your question a little more before making a fool of yourself.

haha you would no better than anybody what it is like to be a fool

and yes based on sales i'm willing to bet a big mac is ranked pretty high

E

[Earl1972]

OK....so this is negative for some reason?

You are knocking them for successfully selling/building a product?

Do you think if the UFC was such a sham, people would continue to support it, even through rough economic times?

i told you why pride is gone and ufc is still here

i don't know how to say that in a "positive" way that will satisfy you

E

[WeightPSHR]

i told you why pride is gone and ufc is still here

i don't know how to say that in a "positive" way that will satisfy you

E

Earl, in all seriousness, why do you even post on the board.

The UFC is the main event these days and Strikeforce is trying their best to mimick the success of the UFC.

Why do you even follow MMA anymore?

[Earl1972]

Earl, in all seriousness, why do you even post on the board.

The UFC is the main event these days and Strikeforce is trying their best to mimick the success of the UFC.

Why do you even follow MMA anymore?

for the same reason i follow bodybuilding

the "good ol days" hooked me in and i can't let go

you've only been following mma since the tuf finale, so you may feel the same down the road

E

[WeightPSHR]

for the same reason i follow bodybuilding

the "good ol days" hooked me in and i can't let go

you've only been following mma since the tuf finale, so you may feel the same down the road

E

Ok...at least you admit it. I respect that.

Even if I did start watching the UFC at the TUF1 finale, that would make it almost 6 years in January.
That is a good amount of time Earl.