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SUMMERLIN COSTCO STORE: Slaying of Army veteran shocks friends

Man shot by police was West Point grad

By LAWRENCE MOWER
©2010 LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL 
Erik Scott


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Army veteran who was shot by police Saturday worked for medical devices company

The man shot by police outside a Summerlin Costco store on Saturday was a graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point with a master's degree from Duke University, friends said.

Army veteran Erik Scott, 39, was at the store near Charleston Boulevard and the Las Vegas Beltway with his girlfriend before three officers fatally shot him in a confrontation.
   
Friends and an attorney speaking on behalf of Scott's relatives, described him as a good man from a military family. His father was in the Air Force, and his grandfather fought in World War II, friend Mike Pusateri said.

"The most loyal, honest, trustworthy, salt-of-the-earth guy you could meet," said Pusateri, 38. "You only meet one or two of those kinds of guys in your life, and Erik is one of them."

Scott worked for Boston Scientific, a medical devices manufacturer, as a sales representative for the company's pacemakers. Attorney Ross Goodman, who represents Scott's family, said Scott was one of the company's top sales employees.

Pusateri and Goodman said Scott and his girlfriend were at the Costco because they were moving in together and wanted to buy the things they needed. The two men declined to discuss the events that led to the shooting.

According to Las Vegas police, officers were called to 801 S. Pavilion Center Drive at 12:47 p.m. by a store worker who said a man was destroying merchandise. Police were told the man had a gun.

Capt. Patrick Neville described Scott as "kind of going berserk." Workers evacuated the store. Officers stopped Scott outside as the customers were leaving.

Neville said an officer tapped the man on the shoulder and identified himself as police. Scott then spun around and reached for a gun, law enforcement officials said.

"They ordered him to the ground," Neville said of the officers on Saturday. "He does not comply with that order. He reaches for the weapon, pulls the weapon out, at which time, the weapon was out of the waistband."

Three officers fired multiple times, killing Scott.

One witness interviewed Saturday and three others interviewed Sunday by the Review-Journal gave accounts that differed from what police described.

With a few minor variations, the witnesses recounted matching sequences of events. The witnesses interviewed did not see what happened inside the store that prompted workers to call police. Three of the witnesses, upset by the event, asked that their names not be published.

Once Scott was outside, none of the witnesses saw him brandish a weapon or make any movement that would seem like he was brandishing a weapon.

The first witness already had made his purchases and was waiting in line for a worker to check his receipt when he saw an officer enter the store. The officer whispered something to the worker checking the receipts. The first witness then heard that employee turn to another employee and say, "He said we should let him through."

The four witnesses described a calm rush of customers exiting the front of the store after Costco workers told everyone to leave.

Attorney David Amesbury said he arrived in time to see shoppers leaving. He described the customer exodus as being "like the aftermath of Disneyland."

A customer told Amesbury that he couldn't go in, so the attorney waited on a bench west of the entrance. He said he had a clear view of two officers standing beside the entrance with their guns drawn.

All four witnesses said they were within 20 feet of the store's main entrance. They said Scott walked out of the entrance with the crowd.

They described an officer shouting at Scott, then a quick succession of gunshots.

The witnesses differed in their recollection of what one of the officers said.

Amesbury heard, "I told you to stop. Stop."

Two witnesses interviewed Sunday heard, "Drop it."

A fourth witness, interviewed Saturday, heard, "Get down," "Put it down," or "Get out of the way."

A second anonymous witness said Sunday he saw Scott pull up his shirt and turn toward the shouting officer. Then he saw the man get shot, drop to his knees and fall face-first in front of the entrance.

"There wasn't even time for someone to react," the second witness said. "The guy didn't pull a gun. There was no gun in his hand, there was no gun on the ground."

The second witness said he was interviewed by homicide detectives and gave them the same account.

The first anonymous witness also didn't see Scott make a threat.


"I certainly did not see the guy do anything with a gun that would threaten anybody," the first witness said Sunday. "It appeared to me that if he had guns on him, that they were literally in his pocket or in his waist."

The first witness also was interviewed by homicide detectives about the shooting.

Amesbury said he did not see the man get shot, but, "When I go around the corner, I see this guy laid out. I didn't see a gun." Amesbury's view of the shooting was blocked by stone pillars. He was not interviewed by police.

Before the shooting, Scott was walking with a woman that three witnesses thought was his girlfriend. They said she became distraught after the shooting. The incident also left the witnesses shaken.

It's just incredible "with all these people around that Metro would provoke something there," the second witness said. "I don't want to second-guess the police, but wouldn't it have been better to confront him out at his car?"

After the shooting, some people in the crowd panicked. An elderly woman was knocked down and cut her elbow in the chaos, the second witness said.

Only Scott was struck by gunfire .

Police said Scott had two handguns on him when he was shot. Goodman said Scott had a concealed-weapons permit.

Pusateri said his friend was a "safety freak" around guns. He said that "absolutely not in a million years" would Scott be careless with them around others.

Scott graduated from West Point, in New York, in 1994 and was stationed for a time at Fort Hood, Texas, as a tank platoon leader. In 2003, he graduated from Duke University in North Carolina with a master's degree in business administration.

Friends said they noticed nothing strange about Scott in the days before the shooting.

On Friday, Scott's vehicle was struck by another vehicle while he was rushing a pacemaker to Summerlin Hospital Medical Center, Pusateri said. Scott was not injured in the collision, and a firefighter took the device from the crash scene to the hospital, he said.

Friends were distraught and puzzled as to why police shot and killed Scott.

"He's a stand-up guy in the community," Goodman said. "This guy is not somebody to put himself in a situation like that."

Pusateri, who also sells medical devices, said Scott worked closely with patients in his job. He called Scott's job the "pinnacle" of the business.

"It's very, very sad," Pusateri said. "I'm shocked by it. It's the tragic loss of a great man."

Contact reporter Lawrence Mower at lmower@reviewjournal.com or 702-383-0440.

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Crazy story. 

These cops sound like the typical jack booted wannabes. 

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POLICE SHOOTING AT COSTCO: Officers identified in shooting at Costco; lawyer says man didnt pull gun
Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | 13 july 2010 | LAWRENCE MOWER AND BRIAN HAYNES


Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:09:51 AM by rellimpank

Erik Scott, who was described by Las Vegas police as "kind of going berserk" before he was fatally shot by officers in front of a Costco store on Saturday, did not appear out of control to one witness who saw the man interacting with store employees.

In a news release issued Monday, police said Scott, 39, was "acting erratically" and "damaging merchandise" while inside the store in Summerlin. He also was seen with a pistol on him, police said. Police were called to the store about the incident, which ended with Scott's death. Shots were fired by three officers, including one who was involved in a fatal shooting in 2006.

But a witness the Review-Journal interviewed Monday, a 72-year-old man who spoke on the condition that his name not be used, said Scott did not appear to be doing anything nefarious.

Scott was crouched down with a backpack in front of him in a sporting goods aisle, the witness said. Scott had taken a large package of sport drink bottles off the shelf and placed it on the floor in front of him. He had torn open the package to get at the contents and was placing the bottles in and out of the backpack.


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POLICE SHOOTING AT COSTCO: Officers identified in shooting at Costco; lawyer says man didnt pull gun
Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | 13 july 2010 | LAWRENCE MOWER AND BRIAN HAYNES


Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:09:51 AM by rellimpank

Erik Scott, who was described by Las Vegas police as "kind of going berserk" before he was fatally shot by officers in front of a Costco store on Saturday, did not appear out of control to one witness who saw the man interacting with store employees.

In a news release issued Monday, police said Scott, 39, was "acting erratically" and "damaging merchandise" while inside the store in Summerlin. He also was seen with a pistol on him, police said. Police were called to the store about the incident, which ended with Scott's death. Shots were fired by three officers, including one who was involved in a fatal shooting in 2006.

But a witness the Review-Journal interviewed Monday, a 72-year-old man who spoke on the condition that his name not be used, said Scott did not appear to be doing anything nefarious.

Scott was crouched down with a backpack in front of him in a sporting goods aisle, the witness said. Scott had taken a large package of sport drink bottles off the shelf and placed it on the floor in front of him. He had torn open the package to get at the contents and was placing the bottles in and out of the backpack.


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hhhmmmmm????

white cops...savages...murdere rs.. and will walk free when it is all over.
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white cops...savages...murdere rs.. and will walk free when it is all over.

They should be hung in the town square by the local populace.  Check this out. 

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From the comments on the channel 8 news story:


“I couldn't agree with you more....My wife and I were 7 or 8 feet away from the shooting as were the police. We were to the suspects immediate right. We heard and saw the 3 police officers shouting to the man in question to ‘get on your knees’ several times. At that point the man appeared somewhat stunned by the commotion and shouting of the police. His Right arm went up in a defenseless position and it appeared his left arm appeared to be going up but there was NO gun in his hand. He was taserd and shot at the same time. At no time did the man in question ever raise his voice, shout an obscenity or become confrontational with the police. We saw the disabled man stooping to his right facing us with what appeared to be a bullet wound in his upper chest with blood coming from the wound and immediately his eyes became glossy as he began to convulse.

At this point he was no threat to anyone, both hands were in full view of us and there was no gun. As he was down, the police continued to shout ‘put the gun down’ several times...but there was no gun in his hand as we had full vantage point view. The injured man was having agonal respirations, he was down when the second volly of bullets rang out. There was no doubt in question that following the second barrage of bullets the man was dead. His girlfriend was to the back side of us and began to scream.....why did you kill him, he is a military man with a license to carry a concealed weapon. You didn't need to kill him....you didn't need to kill him.

An officer then came up to the injured man who in my opinion was a ‘dead’ man’, was cuffed with his hands behind his back and no attempt by the officer to determine if the man was alive or dead. No apparent life saving aid was given to the ‘downed’ man. The man was totally lifeless when the Paramedics arrived on scene. I was absolutely surprised to see that no attempt at aggressive ACLS was engaged. They simply just picked up the body like a ‘sack of potatoes’ and hurled him onto the gurney and into the ambulance This was a crime scene.... the crime scene was violated. One of the paramedics who attended to an injured elderly lady said the man was dead. There was a dead man in front of Costco. What nobody is talking about is that there were many many spectators, many like ourselves within just a few feet of the victim when the shots rang out. It seems to me that the greater danger was posed not by the victim but by the police who fired many shots in the vicinity of the innocent public. I agree with you, I hope the media and your friends family can get their hands of Costco's Camera's which will indeed tell the rest of the story. Also it must be confirmed whether the second gun supposedly found by the victims side was indeed also registered to him as a licensed conceal and carry.


This whole incident was a monumental tragedy; a tragedy for the family and friend and also a tragedy for the involved officers who were pushed into a needless confrontation that reached hysterical proportions due to the overreaction of certain employees and bystanders. This was a needless death.

In summary it is our opinion that the victim did not pose an immediate threat to the public.....and in the final analysis was a case of excessive force
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I'm still a little vague on why the police were called.

complete bullshit move on cops part..... but....

if you carry concealed, NOBODY should know.  I'm guessing he did what many vets (and non-vets) around here do... wear a 45 under a t-shirt so everyone in the store knows they're packing.

I shopped at costco yesterday and nobody in the place knew I was packing a glock 40. 

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I'm still a little vague on why the police were called.

complete bullshit move on cops part..... but....

if you carry concealed, NOBODY should know.  I'm guessing he did what many vets (and non-vets) around here do... wear a 45 under a t-shirt so everyone in the store knows they're packing.

I shopped at costco yesterday and nobody in the place knew I was packing a glock 40. 

Sounds like a little punk in the store called the cops and lied about what the guy was doing. 

Then, the moron cops show up thinking they are in the shootout from Heat and just kill the guy. 

If the tape shows that this guy had no gun in his hand and was not doing anything at all threatening, these three should go to the gallows. 

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Sounds like a little punk in the store called the cops and lied about what the guy was doing. 

Then, the moron cops show up thinking they are in the shootout from Heat and just kill the guy. 

If the tape shows that this guy had no gun in his hand and was not doing anything at all threatening, these three should go to the gallows. 


agreed.  lock em up.

but cops are human too.  they make poor choices.

the kid calling the vcops should never have seen that weapon.

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agreed.  lock em up.

but cops are human too.  they make poor choices.

the kid calling the vcops should never have seen that weapon.


Poor choices resulting in deaths of innocent people.  Just like the Bart shooting. 

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Sounds like a little punk in the store called the cops and lied about what the guy was doing. 

Then, the moron cops show up thinking they are in the shootout from Heat and just kill the guy. 

If the tape shows that this guy had no gun in his hand and was not doing anything at all threatening, these three should go to the gallows. 



Right now it certainly doesn’t sound good at all for the “offending” officers.
However, I’m going to wait for all of the facts and evidence to be presented before forming an opinion.

Although, if I was the US president, I could just go public 5 min. after it happened without knowing anything and declare the cops “just acted stupid.”

I’d have a 50% chance of being right.
And if wrong, that’s only a 50% failure - better than the stim bill!
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Right now it certainly doesn’t sound good at all for the “offending” officers.
However, I’m going to wait for all of the facts and evidence to be presented before forming an opinion.

Although, if I was the US president, I could just go public 5 min. after it happened without knowing anything and declare the cops “just acted stupid.”

I’d have a 50% chance of being right.
And if wrong, that’s only a 50% failure - better than the stim bill!
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Yeah, where is Obama on this? 

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Yeah, where is Obama on this?  


I know, my goodness…
The President was already offering up his blunt and candid criticism opinion of the Cambridge police before knowing 1/50 of the facts in the Henry Gates arrest controversy.

In the LV incident, a man was shot & killed by police under questionable circumstances, and I haven’t heard a peep from the WH.
Perhaps they’ve learned their lesson and are taking the time to properly gather intel before commenting.

Or, perhaps 0 does not assign this incident the same importance as the former.
If that is the case, I wonder why he wouldn't.

 

The only difference I see between these two men is that one of them lived.


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This story really pissed me off. 

Knowing a lot of cops and the fact they probably would have shot the guy too makes me really upset that a guy like this was killed. 

Most police departments are nothing more than publicly financed street gangs.