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http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-07-15/americans-blame-bush-not-obama-for-deficit-jobs-afghan-war.html

July 16 (Bloomberg) -- Democrats, facing a U.S. electorate angry about the economy and other issues, still have one political asset: George W. Bush.

The former Republican president is blamed more than President Barack Obama for the budget deficit, unemployment and illegal immigration, according to a Bloomberg National Poll conducted July 9-12.

Most surprising is that 60 percent say Bush is primarily responsible for the current situation in Afghanistan. Just 10 percent point to Obama, who has ordered 51,000 additional troops to that country since taking office, doubling the number deployed by Bush.

When Obama entered office in January 2009, there had been 568 U.S. casualties associated with the Afghanistan conflict, a number that has grown to 1,086, as of yesterday, according to the Defense Department. The president has vowed to start withdrawing forces in July 2011, with the pacing determined by conditions on the ground.

“The public remembers the Bush years as a tumultuous time of costly wars, and the years when a budget surplus became a deficit,” said J. Ann Selzer, president of Selzer & Co., a Des Moines, Iowa-based firm that conducted the survey.

Katrina, Gulf Spill

Asked to compare Bush’s response to Hurricane Katrina with Obama’s handling of the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, 51 percent say Bush’s performance was worse, while 35 percent name Obama. Republicans are more likely to pan Obama’s performance on the oil spill, with 69 percent saying he did worse than Bush.

Facing a tough environment in the November congressional elections, when their control of both chambers may be at stake, Obama and his fellow Democrats often mention the problems they inherited from the previous administration, which left the White House 18 months ago.

“They spent a decade driving the economy into a ditch,” Obama, 48, said at a Las Vegas fundraiser on July 8 for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada. “And now they’re asking for the keys back. And my answer is, ‘no, you can’t have the keys. You can’t drive. You don’t know how to drive. You drive in the wrong direction.’”

Still, Bush won’t be on the ballot and there has been no indication that he will campaign for congressional candidates. Democratic and Republican lawmakers share some of the blame for the country’s problems, including the increasing cost of Medicare and Social Security, as well the failure to fix the nation’s immigration system, according to the poll.

Blame the Predecessor

It’s been common in U.S. politics to blame previous presidents for problems. For generations, Democrats ran against Herbert Hoover’s Depression-era economic policies and some Republicans still talk about President Jimmy Carter’s supposed softness on foreign policy, three decades after the Democratic president left office.

Bush, 64, has stayed mostly quiet in public since leaving the White House. His book, “Decision Points,” is scheduled to be released around the November election.

Because Democrats are most likely to blame Bush for the problems the country is facing, the political benefits for their party may be limited, says Bruce Buchanan, a political scientist at the University of Texas in Austin.

Still, Obama and the Democrats may be helped somewhat by voters’ attitudes toward Bush, especially on the issue of unemployment, Buchanan says.

“You could blame Bush for losing your job, even if you’re a Republican,” he says.

Bush’s Deficit

More blame Bush than Obama for the federal deficit, 32 percent to 24 percent. Among Republicans, 39 percent say Obama is to blame, while about a quarter of independents hold that view.

The Obama administration expects a record budget deficit this year of more than $1.5 trillion, or 10.6 percent of GDP, according to projections the White House released in February. It was $1.4 trillion for the 2008-2009 fiscal year, which covers the end of Bush’s presidency.

Obama gets more credit for increases in the stock market over the past year, with 28 percent of Americans giving him recognition, compared with 13 percent for Bush. Even among Republicans, a quarter give Obama credit for the increases.

On unemployment, Bush is listed as most responsible by 32 percent, compared with 22 percent for Obama. Those with incomes below $25,000 are more likely to blame Bush for the unemployment rate, which was 9.5 percent in June.

‘Getting Worse’

“Bush was there for eight years and everything just kept getting worse,” says poll participant Kelly Redding, 31, an independent voter from Columbus, Ohio. “Obama can’t perform miracles overnight.”

Jeremy Dawson, 31, who has served three tours in Iraq, is among those who blame Bush more than Obama for some of the nation’s biggest problems.

“He focused so much on Iraq and Afghanistan and not enough on America,” says Dawson, who votes as an independent. “There was little or nothing being done in this country.”

The poll’s findings on Afghanistan contrast with Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele’s comments July 1 that the war is “not something that the United States has actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in.” Steele later amended his remarks after he was criticized by both parties and some Republican leaders called for his resignation.

The poll also finds that almost 6 in 10 respondents say the war in Afghanistan is a lost cause.

There isn’t a lot of buyer’s remorse when it comes to the 2008 presidential election, the poll shows. Asked if things would be better or worse if the Republican candidate, Senator John McCain of Arizona, had been elected, 37 percent say worse, 27 percent say better and 32 percent say things would be the same.

The Bloomberg National Poll is based on interviews with 1,004 U.S. adults ages 18 or older. Percentages based on the full sample may have a maximum margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

--With assistance from Viola Gienger in Washington. Editors: Max Berley, Robin Meszoly

To contact the reporters on this story: John McCormick in Washington at jmccormick16@bloomberg.net; Catherine Dodge in Washington at cdodge1@bloomberg.net.

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Mark Silva in Washington at msilva34@bloomberg.net
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Re: Americans Blame Bush, Not Obama, for Deficit, Jobs, Afghan War
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2010, 12:58:30 PM »
Don't worry... someone will point to a "respond now while you watch glenn beck" poll which says differently, and assign the same value to it ;)

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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2010, 01:00:05 PM »
You can't take Bloomberg seriously

Everyone knows Bloomberg is really anti-business and just providing cover for Obama's secret socialist agenda.

how about some links from World Net Daily or NewsMax

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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2010, 01:02:46 PM »
You can't take Bloomberg seriously

Everyone knows Bloomberg is really anti-business and just providing cover for Obama's secret socialist agenda.


how about some links from World Net Daily or NewsMax

I'm sure that makes perfect sense for some people. True american patriots.  ;)
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Re: Americans Blame Bush, Not Obama, for Deficit, Jobs, Afghan War
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2010, 01:13:27 PM »
This doesnt really suprise me to be honest bush should be blamed even though the housing crises was really out of any presidents hands and started during clinton but it happend on his watch so of course he gets the blame...

LOL at the afghanistan only b/c alot of you libs including 240 point to it as an achievement of obama and now you want to pin it on bush  ::)

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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2010, 01:25:43 PM »
And yet the republicans lead all generic polls heading into nov.and Obamas approval is plummeting.Keep running against George Bush,its working great like up in Mass,new jersey,Virginia.Its working like a charm.

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Re: Americans Blame Bush, Not Obama, for Deficit, Jobs, Afghan War
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2010, 04:21:21 PM »
Pretty meaningless, unless Dubya will appear on the ballot in 2010 and 2012.  More relevant polls are approval/disapproval ratings of Obama and Congress. 

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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2010, 09:03:11 PM »
As 18 months is apparently not enough time for you left wingers to pass judgement on Obama, please tell me when it is fair in your mind.  24 months, 36 months, never? 

BTW - Bush had 6 years, not 8.  The Dems took over in 2006 both the House and Senate.  Ao in my mind, its fair to judge the dems since 2006 and the 4 years since.

And another thing, what did Bush do specifically, on his own, that tanked the economy.  I want specifics, not DU inspired rubbish.     

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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2010, 09:07:11 PM »
Pretty meaningless, unless Dubya will appear on the ballot in 2010 and 2012.  More relevant polls are approval/disapproval ratings of Obama and Congress. 

it's very meaningful if the Dems can capitalize on that basic fact and paint all Repubs with the same brush







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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2010, 09:10:51 PM »
it's very meaningful if the Dems can capitalize on that basic fact and paint all Repubs with the same brush








So you mean they have absolutely nothing else to run on but bash bush despite the fact that they have owned the congress since 2006, and the executive office since 2008? 

Why dont they run on the effects fo the stim bill or ObamaCare?  How about Cap & Trade?  why don't they run on that gem? 

Or how about the Dems run on the SC picks of Soto and Kagan? 

If all the dems have is bashing bush after spending literally trillions of dollars with nothing to show for it but an UE rate that is far higher than they promised WITH the stim bill, case closed DEMS = FAIL.

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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2010, 09:20:24 PM »
So you mean they have absolutely nothing else to run on but bash bush despite the fact that they have owned the congress since 2006, and the executive office since 2008? 

Why dont they run on the effects fo the stim bill or ObamaCare?  How about Cap & Trade?  why don't they run on that gem? 

Or how about the Dems run on the SC picks of Soto and Kagan? 

If all the dems have is bashing bush after spending literally trillions of dollars with nothing to show for it but an UE rate that is far higher than they promised WITH the stim bill, case closed DEMS = FAIL.

exactly the opposite actually

they will run on what they believe are their accomplishments which they will frame as:  something large like taking the world economy back from the brink of disaster (not saying it's true but it's going to be a theme), passing health care and banking legislation, some of their  social issues etc...

and they are going to keep reminding people of which party caused or enabled the problems

that's how they will frame it

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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2010, 09:23:55 PM »
Straw - the dems have had congress since 2006.  Do they have ANY responsibility in your mind for the 2008 meltdown? 

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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2010, 09:29:29 PM »
Straw - the dems have had congress since 2006.  Do they have ANY responsibility in your mind for the 2008 meltdown? 

go back farther

Clinton has some responsibility for what happened

Bush 1 and Reagan too (obviously)

and of course both parties

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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2010, 09:37:37 PM »
Blame all the people in DC.

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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2010, 07:16:53 AM »
Blaming Bush will not work this time. Americans are sick of being fed the same horeshit. The Dems have had the majority in both houses for almost 5 years and the Presidency for almost two years and things are a complete and utter disaster. They can frame the issue anyway they want. Only idiots that hate America and spend their free time having sex with other men like Straw will be taken in by the "Blame Bush" in perpituity campaign strategy. Blacks will also vote for Obama 98% across the board because they are impressed with the fact that he's black and is a Chicago Bulls fan. The only way Obama and the democrats have a snowballs chance in hell is if Amnesty passes and they can legalize 20-30 million new voters and win the overwhleming support of the latin voting bloc. However, even if that occurs- normal, straight, hard working Americans will run as fast as they can from the democratic party. Throw in a total wipeout of independent support and the result is inevitable. Republicans (for better or worse) are going to dominate the political landscape with the exception of a few bankrupt states and inner city hell holes that are largely irrelevant.

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« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2010, 08:31:00 AM »
Blaming Bush will not work this time. Americans are sick of being fed the same horeshit. The Dems have had the majority in both houses for almost 5 years and the Presidency for almost two years and things are a complete and utter disaster. They can frame the issue anyway they want. Only idiots that hate America and spend their free time having sex with other men like Straw will be taken in by the "Blame Bush" in perpituity campaign strategy. Blacks will also vote for Obama 98% across the board because they are impressed with the fact that he's black and is a Chicago Bulls fan. The only way Obama and the democrats have a snowballs chance in hell is if Amnesty passes and they can legalize 20-30 million new voters and win the overwhleming support of the latin voting bloc. However, even if that occurs- normal, straight, hard working Americans will run as fast as they can from the democratic party. Throw in a total wipeout of independent support and the result is inevitable. Republicans (for better or worse) are going to dominate the political landscape with the exception of a few bankrupt states and inner city hell holes that are largely irrelevant.

why the personal attacks

are you really just that stupid and incapable of having a conversation about the topic?

honestly, you must be a complete moron if you think the Dems intend pass some kind of amnesty for the purposes of getting that group of former illegals to vote for them.  That's about five kinds of stupid.   I guess I understand why you feel the need to immediately devolve to personal attackes

Guess what genius, people already blame Bush and the Repubs for the current mess (at least the smart people do) and whether they deserve full blame or not the Dems are going to keep reminding people of who got us to the point we are at today and they will keep reminding voters of which party is trying to fix the mess and which party is trying to resist and do nothing.   


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« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2010, 09:26:26 AM »
why the personal attacks

are you really just that stupid and incapable of having a conversation about the topic?

honestly, you must be a complete moron if you think the Dems intend pass some kind of amnesty for the purposes of getting that group of former illegals to vote for them. That's about five kinds of stupid.   I guess I understand why you feel the need to immediately devolve to personal attackes

Guess what genius, people already blame Bush and the Repubs for the current mess (at least the smart people do) and whether they deserve full blame or not the Dems are going to keep reminding people of who got us to the point we are at today and they will keep reminding voters of which party is trying to fix the mess and which party is trying to resist and do nothing.  



Unfortunately a lot of people on the right have that feeling. They don't see the problem from any other angle. Families don't matter shit, ironically for the family values party.
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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2010, 09:46:29 AM »
I'm sorry Straw. I don't engage in serious debate about political issues with individuals who are mentally ill or too stupid to comprehend reality. Well, actually I will engage in some sort of debate, but I will inevitably have to throw in some personal attacks as well. Otherwise it's just not worth it for me to respond. Also, I don't even think what I said qualifies as an insult. You being gay and hating America is a statement of fact.

But good luck with everything. I'm sure that the "Blame George Bush for everything forever" rallying cry will do very well in November for the democratic party.  ::)

Danny- Point blank, cut and dried Immigration Reform= Amnesty. Amnesty is nothing more than a transparent hoax to syphon off votes. It has absolutely nothing to do with families or any of the other nonsense you referred to. It's a smart political play for the democrats but I feel that it will probably backfire unless unemployment disappears and there is an actual financial recovery. 

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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2010, 11:50:19 AM »
I'm sorry Straw. I don't engage in serious debate about political issues with individuals who are mentally ill or too stupid to comprehend reality. Well, actually I will engage in some sort of debate, but I will inevitably have to throw in some personal attacks as well. Otherwise it's just not worth it for me to respond. Also, I don't even think what I said qualifies as an insult. You being gay and hating America is a statement of fact.

But good luck with everything. I'm sure that the "Blame George Bush for everything forever" rallying cry will do very well in November for the democratic party.  ::)

Danny- Point blank, cut and dried Immigration Reform= Amnesty. Amnesty is nothing more than a transparent hoax to syphon off votes. It has absolutely nothing to do with families or any of the other nonsense you referred to. It's a smart political play for the democrats but I feel that it will probably backfire unless unemployment disappears and there is an actual financial recovery. 

hey dipshit

you STARTED with a personal attack

I assume all people who make gay references are closet cases

 

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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2010, 12:08:52 PM »
How is it an attack?

You're gay. I didn't use any anti-gay slurs or other divisive language.

And I started with a "personal attack" after reading through your postings in this thread, as well as many others.

Now to your convenient practice of assuming (nice choice of words) that ALL people who make gay references are closet cases-- Is this the result of you suffering from an obvious delusion or is it a personal fantasy of yours that more straight men are gay?  Speak on it Straw.


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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2010, 12:26:56 PM »
How is it an attack?

You're gay. I didn't use any anti-gay slurs or other divisive language.

And I started with a "personal attack" after reading through your postings in this thread, as well as many others.

Now to your convenient practice of assuming (nice choice of words) that ALL people who make gay references are closet cases-- Is this the result of you suffering from an obvious delusion or is it a personal fantasy of yours that more straight men are gay?  Speak on it Straw.


I'm not gay

I've said that many times before



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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2010, 01:20:34 PM »
I'm not gay

I've said that many times before




Again, when do the dems take responsibility for anything in your mind? 

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« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2010, 01:31:45 PM »
Most Americans remember the election and at the time of the election the economy was in the toilet, before Bush left office there was a stimulus package. Maddof was still hot in the news and the Afghan war had been going on for 7 plus years.. People had already been laid off their jobs.  Most people (republican fundies excluded) realize Obama took over at a particularly suckie time.

Now 18 months into it, Obama has some 'splainin to do.. While I don't hold him responsible for the gulf spill, I do hold him accountable for his lack of getting us out of this war as he promised he would. He (and congress) continue to spend like drunken sailors... I don't know if we would be in better shape if McCain had won, I suspect we wouldn't, but Obama is in charge now, and hasn't lived up to his promises as far as I can tell. But then I haven't believed either party has my best interest at heart for a long time..

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« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2010, 02:22:26 PM »
Again, when do the dems take responsibility for anything in your mind? 

I give the Clinton Administration (along with congressional Republicans at the time) the blame for deregulation of the banking/financial systems

I've said that many times as well

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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2010, 04:24:42 PM »
I give the Clinton Administration (along with congressional Republicans at the time) the blame for deregulation of the banking/financial systems

I've said that many times as well

Ok fine, but if at the end of 4 years we are still at 9.5% UE, will you attribute any of that the dems?