Short burst cycles? good idea or bad?

[theworm]

Trying to research this one.

i am torn between using test prop 100mg EOD for 8 weeks  vs test E (or cyp) at 4-500mg x 12 weeks.  (with finasteride).

i think the shorter cycle will yeild gains, and maybe less shutdown cause the shorter esters and time (and better keepable gains)? 

Are there any pros and cons to a short burst cycle or a longer 12 week cycle?

[SgtSpar]

Trying to research this one.

i am torn between using test prop 100mg EOD for 8 weeks  vs test E (or cyp) at 4-500mg x 12 weeks.  (with finasteride).

i think the shorter cycle will yeild gains, and maybe less shutdown cause the shorter esters and time (and better keepable gains)? 

Are there any pros and cons to a short burst cycle or a longer 12 week cycle?

There is no such thing as less shutdown or more shutdown.  You are shutdown or not, and either of those will do it.  The length of the cycle only determines how long you will be shut down.  Just keep in mind that if you go 12 weeks with test E, you're really going a week or two longer than that, where the prop clears out faster.

[MuscleMcMannus]

Shutdown IS NOT shutdown.  Anyone that says this has never had labwork done during their cycle and has probably never been on for a very long time.  I've done a 6 week prop cycle and I've also stayed on for 6 months at a time before.  The way I felt when I came off both cycles were VERY different and the latter was obviously much worse.  There isn't a switch that gets turned on and turned off when it comes to being shutdown.  I.e. 8 weeks or 12 weeks is the magic number and all of a sudden you are "shutdown".  That's stupid.  Do you really think the body knows the difference between 8 or 12 weeks?  LOL. 

I would either do a short 6 week cycle or a long 16 weeker.  Don't piddle around with an 8 or 12 week cycle.  That's in the middle.  You can make decent gains on 6 weeks or prop.  The whole point of short acting esters for short periods of time is that your system clears the drugs rather quickly and you're not on for a long time.  Lots of guys are doing shorter cycles because they work. 

[theworm]

Shutdown IS NOT shutdown.  Anyone that says this has never had labwork done during their cycle and has probably never been on for a very long time.  I've done a 6 week prop cycle and I've also stayed on for 6 months at a time before.  The way I felt when I came off both cycles were VERY different and the latter was obviously much worse.  There isn't a switch that gets turned on and turned off when it comes to being shutdown.  I.e. 8 weeks or 12 weeks is the magic number and all of a sudden you are "shutdown".  That's stupid.  Do you really think the body knows the difference between 8 or 12 weeks?  LOL. 

I would either do a short 6 week cycle or a long 16 weeker.  Don't piddle around with an 8 or 12 week cycle.  That's in the middle.  You can make decent gains on 6 weeks or prop.  The whole point of short acting esters for short periods of time is that your system clears the drugs rather quickly and you're not on for a long time.  Lots of guys are doing shorter cycles because they work. 

and i bet there are less sides as well.


my plan:
weeks 1-6  test prop 100mg EOD
weeks 1-6 injectible anavar 50mg EOD

then PCT


thoughts on this one?

[SgtSpar]

Shutdown IS NOT shutdown.  Anyone that says this has never had labwork done during their cycle and has probably never been on for a very long time.  I've done a 6 week prop cycle and I've also stayed on for 6 months at a time before.  The way I felt when I came off both cycles were VERY different and the latter was obviously much worse.  There isn't a switch that gets turned on and turned off when it comes to being shutdown.  I.e. 8 weeks or 12 weeks is the magic number and all of a sudden you are "shutdown".  That's stupid.  Do you really think the body knows the difference between 8 or 12 weeks?  LOL. 

I would either do a short 6 week cycle or a long 16 weeker.  Don't piddle around with an 8 or 12 week cycle.  That's in the middle.  You can make decent gains on 6 weeks or prop.  The whole point of short acting esters for short periods of time is that your system clears the drugs rather quickly and you're not on for a long time.  Lots of guys are doing shorter cycles because they work. 

WTF are you talking about?  Shutdown is when your body stops producing test on its own.  Who said there was a magic spot at 8, 12 or whatever weeks.  Go back to sniffing bedpans.

[theworm]

i agree with McMannus...

one 100mg shot of deca shuts down test production for one month

one test prop 100mg injection shuts you down for a few days.


so how is shutdown, shutdown?   shutdown can vary from 100% shutdown (ie deca) to zero or minimal shutdown (ie. anavar), and can vary in the duration of shutdown (see above)

so using that rational it makes sence if you are on for 6 months, you may be shutdown for a few months.  whereas if you are shutdown for 6 weeks, you may only be shutdown for a few days to a week or so.

[SgtSpar]

i agree with McMannus...

one 100mg shot of deca shuts down test production for one month

one test prop 100mg injection shuts you down for a few days.


so how is shutdown, shutdown?   shutdown can vary from 100% shutdown (ie deca) to zero or minimal shutdown (ie. anavar), and can vary in the duration of shutdown (see above)

so using that rational it makes sence if you are on for 6 months, you may be shutdown for a few months.  whereas if you are shutdown for 6 weeks, you may only be shutdown for a few days to a week or so.

So you agree with me.  Read my post again.  Shutdown means your body stops producing test on its own.  As you said, a shot of either will shut you down, and the duration of the cycle is what decides how long you are shutdown.  So all you did was re-phrase exactly what I said, and then you said you agree with someone that said the opposite.  Can anyone fucking read?

[Overload]

Waste of time, blast and cruise or stay on.

My test levels came back to within range about 8 months after a 3 year cycle...

[MuscleMcMannus]

i agree with McMannus...

one 100mg shot of deca shuts down test production for one month

one test prop 100mg injection shuts you down for a few days.


so how is shutdown, shutdown?   shutdown can vary from 100% shutdown (ie deca) to zero or minimal shutdown (ie. anavar), and can vary in the duration of shutdown (see above)

so using that rational it makes sence if you are on for 6 months, you may be shutdown for a few months.  whereas if you are shutdown for 6 weeks, you may only be shutdown for a few days to a week or so.

Deca is actually stimulatory in the first few weeks i.e. can raise your testosterone levels.  One shot of deca 100mg is not going to shut you down.  but yest over time it's very inhibitory.  You are also taking finasteride with your testosterone.  DHT is actually very inhibitory.  But blocking it too much can actually depress your body's own natural production as well.  The best advice is to just stick to test prop for 4-6 weeks.  Go off for 4 weeks and back on.  You don't have to worry about shutting down your natural production. 

[SgtSpar]

The best advice is to just stick to test prop for 4-6 weeks.  Go off for 4 weeks and back on.  You don't have to worry about shutting down your natural production. 

Since you're such a fan of "scientifical" studies:

"A mere Hundred mgs of test/week takes about 5-6 weeks to shut the HPTA, and 250-500mgs shuts you down by week 2" from J Investig Med. 1997 Oct;45(:441-7

So how is approx 300mg a week making it so he doesn't have to worry about "shutting down your natural production." if he uses it for 4-6 weeks?

[Wiggs]

Unless you're doing some event, what is the point of a 6 week cycle to go back to looking "normal" afterwards.
Yeah, you'll make some gains but how does someone justify this if there is no event.

"I wanna look good for a couple weeks and then go back to normal?

[theworm]

i think if will produce lasting effects...


u can say that about any cycle..."why 10 weeks and go back to looking normal"   why 12 weeks and go back to looking normal?

still think the six  week prop/var cycle will produce much more permant gains...

[SgtSpar]

i think if will produce lasting effects...


u can say that about any cycle..."why 10 weeks and go back to looking normal"   why 12 weeks and go back to looking normal?

still think the six  week prop/var cycle will produce much more permant gains...

If you already made up your mind, why ask?

[4thAD]

What is all the BS about shut down. If your going to use steroids and use them correctly, your getting shut down. Read about negative feed back loops. Also Worm, once you've surpassed your natty genetic potential, there are no such things as permanent gains. Permanent steroid gains are a myth. You never ever see 300 pound pros retain their juiced up physiques when they get off of the juice. Kevin Levrone who I have the utmost respect for, is visual proof of this. Kevin has been training his ass off as a natty recently and is making nice gains(muscle memory), but will not get to the freaky size and conditioning he used to achieve with out some kind of enhancement.

[SgtSpar]

What is all the BS about shut down. If your going to use steroids and use them correctly, your getting shut down. Read about negative feed back loops. Also Worm, once you've surpassed your natty genetic potential, there are no such things as permanent gains. Permanent steroid gains are a myth. You never ever see 300 pound pros retain their juiced up physiques when they get off of the juice. Kevin Levrone who I have the utmost respect for, is visual proof of this. Kevin has been training his ass off as a natty recently and is making nice gains(muscle memory), but will not get to the freaky size and conditioning he used to achieve with out some kind of enhancement.

Lol, man, you have to stop trying to use logic and common sense with these people.  That will never work....

[Overload]

i think if will produce lasting effects...

Think again bro, you are going backwards in your logic.

4th is spot on.