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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #75 on: July 23, 2010, 01:09:01 PM »
All are substances which can be abused by humans. Heroin's illegality doesn't change that simple fact or make abusing either more/less wrong.

So if heroin were legal you'd have no problems paying for needles?!

Yes, I would have a problem. 

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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #76 on: July 23, 2010, 01:09:35 PM »
It's not an epidemic (it's a problem and the risk is there but hardly an epidemic) in at-risk communities and your fear-mongering isn't helping the argument in the least.

So it's not an epidemic in the gay and IV drug user communities?  Weird.  I could have sworn that when looking at those at risk there is a very high chance of getting HIV if you aren't taking precautions.  
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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #77 on: July 23, 2010, 01:10:59 PM »
So it's not an epidemic in the gay and IV drug user communities?  Weird.  I could have sworn that when looking at those at risk there is a very high chance of getting HIV if you aren't taking precautions.  

They are at risk via their own reckless behavior that they are repeatedly warned about.
 

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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #78 on: July 23, 2010, 01:11:17 PM »
So it's not an epidemic in the gay and IV drug user communities?  Weird.  I could have sworn that when looking at those at risk there is a very high chance of getting HIV if you aren't taking precautions.  

So high-risk = epidemic now? My word, you are stupid. It's sad because you're just hampering the argument for clean needles (which I'm for) with your stupidity and fear-mongering.  

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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #79 on: July 23, 2010, 01:14:50 PM »
Is it an epidemic or not?  

Within the gay and IV drug user community it is an epidemic.  That is who we are trying to help with clean needles.  When taken as a whole HIV and AIDS is not going to infect many Americans.  It's only going to infect those at risk and that is not most Americans. 
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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #80 on: July 23, 2010, 01:19:41 PM »
Within the gay and IV drug user community it is an epidemic.  That is who we are trying to help with clean needles.  When taken as a whole HIV and AIDS is not going to infect many Americans.  It's only going to infect those at risk and that is not most Americans. 

Please, they have been warned for decades already.  Lets thin the herd already and get over with it.  I am not remotely sympathetic to people getting HIV via reckless behavior they are REPEATEDLY warned against.     

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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #81 on: July 23, 2010, 01:28:18 PM »
So high-risk = epidemic now? My word, you are stupid. It's sad because you're just hampering the argument for clean needles (which I'm for) with your stupidity and fear-mongering.  

No, epidemic is when a large % of a population (in this instance homosexuals and IV drug users) is at high risk and/or contributes a disproportionate amount of people with HIV.  I'm not fear mongering in the slightest just telling it like it is.  If you are gay (and don't use protection) and/or share needles you will likely be exposed to HIV.  Therefore within those communities it is an epidemic.  Within the African American community even more so.  An epidemic is not just a population wide thing. 

In no way is telling the truth hampering the cause for clean needles.  But hey keep bashing it's all you have left...
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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #82 on: July 23, 2010, 01:31:59 PM »
Please, they have been warned for decades already.  Lets thin the herd already and get over with it.  I am not remotely sympathetic to people getting HIV via reckless behavior they are REPEATEDLY warned against.     

The callousness of your statement makes you seem even less of a human than i originally thought. 
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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #83 on: July 23, 2010, 01:36:04 PM »
The callousness of your statement makes you seem even less of a human than i originally thought. 

As opposed to what?  Keep enabling the problem and not calling out their reckless animalistic behavior for what it is?

Why not just give them a revolver to play russian roulette daily and see what happens?   

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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #84 on: July 23, 2010, 01:38:39 PM »
As opposed to what?  Keep enabling the problem and not calling out their reckless animalistic behavior for what it is?

Why not just give them a revolver to play russian roulette daily and see what happens?   

These are human beings fool we are all flawed and all make mistakes, should we all die because we have fu*ked up? 
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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #85 on: July 23, 2010, 01:44:14 PM »
These are human beings fool we are all flawed and all make mistakes, should we all die because we have fu*ked up? 

Screwing up once, twice, three times, is one thing, but these people are largely recklessly ignoring precautions that are told to them for DECADES and still whining for more tax dollars. 

No thanks.  Actions have consequences. 

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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #86 on: July 23, 2010, 01:50:09 PM »
We have no obligation--legal, moral, or otherwise--to give drug paraphernalia to drug addicts.  It's not going to stop reckless behavior.  It may protect some, but it will also facilitate drug abuse.  

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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #87 on: July 23, 2010, 02:10:39 PM »
We have no obligation--legal, moral, or otherwise--to give drug paraphernalia to drug addicts.  It's not going to stop reckless behavior.  It may protect some, but it will also facilitate drug abuse.  

Yes we are under no obligation to spend money already earmarked for HIV and AIDS on preventing it.  Great use there beach!  Your christian logic once again!  Go death penalty, stop abortion!  Don't use the millions we spend on HIV and AIDS to prevent it, instead just spend it!
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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #88 on: July 23, 2010, 02:13:05 PM »
Yes we are under no obligation to spend money already earmarked for HIV and AIDS on preventing it.  Great use there beach!  Your christian logic once again!  Go death penalty, stop abortion!  Don't use the millions we spend on HIV and AIDS to prevent it, instead just spend it!

lol.  Who said anything about Christianity?   ::)  What on earth does the death penalty and abortion have to do with this subject?  Or Christiantiy for that matter?   

What this demonstrates is an inability to discuss the issue at hand.

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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #89 on: July 23, 2010, 02:17:22 PM »
lol.  Who said anything about Christianity?   ::)  What on earth does the death penalty and abortion have to do with this subject?  Or Christiantiy for that matter?   

What this demonstrates is an inability to discuss the issue at hand.

Just pointing out examples of your hypocrisy.  All in a days work.  8)
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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #90 on: July 23, 2010, 02:22:16 PM »
Just pointing out examples of your hypocrisy.  All in a days work.  8)

Yawn.  When you can't address the issue, divert, make a dumb comment, insult, change the subject, etc.  Pretty transparent. 

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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #91 on: July 23, 2010, 02:23:30 PM »
lol.  Who said anything about Christianity?   ::)  What on earth does the death penalty and abortion have to do with this subject?  Or Christiantiy for that matter?   

What this demonstrates is an inability to discuss the issue at hand.
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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #92 on: July 23, 2010, 04:06:57 PM »
Yawn.  When you can't address the issue, divert, make a dumb comment, insult, change the subject, etc.  Pretty transparent. 

I don't have to divert, science has been proven right hundreds over and over that needle exchanges save lives and help to prevent further HIV infections therefore lowering the cost of health care. 
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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #93 on: July 23, 2010, 04:26:32 PM »
I don't have to divert, science has been proven right hundreds over and over that needle exchanges save lives and help to prevent further HIV infections therefore lowering the cost of health care. 
so would getting these ppl off the drugs themselves...why not put money towards that instead of assisting these ppl in breaking the law?

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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #94 on: July 23, 2010, 04:33:17 PM »
I don't have to divert, science has been proven right hundreds over and over that needle exchanges save lives and help to prevent further HIV infections therefore lowering the cost of health care. 

So would paying for rehab for every drug addict and alcoholic.  That's not the government's job.  At least not with my tax dollars. 

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Re: Clean Needles - Should we provide them?
« Reply #95 on: July 23, 2010, 07:38:20 PM »
to the OP. I'd say yes. .. going to read the rest ...