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Back in the 1980s, they were the biggest stars in Hollywood, both in terms of box-office receipts and bicep circumference. But the glory days of the brawny action heroes -- Stallone, Schwarzenegger, Van Damme, and the like -- eventually faded. In their place, a new breed of '90s star took over: younger, leaner, and nowhere near as macho. By decade's end, Keanu Reeves was a huge action star (shudder to think).

Where did it all go wrong? According to an interview with the Los Angeles Times, Sylvester Stallone puts the blame squarely on the caped shoulders of one comic book hero.

"It was the first 'Batman' movie," Stallone told the Times, in reference to the 1989 movie adaptation starring Michael Keaton as the Caped Crusader. He went on to say, "The action movies changed radically when it became possible to Velcro your muscles on," a clear dig at how the trim Keaton was encased in a sculpted Batsuit for the film. Stallone joked, "I wish I had thought of Velcro muscles myself... "I didn't have to go to the gym for all those years."

Stallone adds that the director Tim Burton's stylish take on the superhero story changed what audiences expected from an action flick: "It was the beginning of a new era. The visual took over. The special effects became more important than the single person. That was the beginning of the end."

It's ironic, then, that Stallone will be going to this year's San Diego Comic-Con -- the center for all things geeky -- to promote his upcoming movie, "The Expendables," which is a true throwback to the action hits of the '80s. In the film, Stallone (who also directed) leads a team of mercenaries to overthrow a corrupt South American dictator. It costars Jason Statham, Jet Li, Mickey Rourke, Terry Crews, and even Stallone's "Rocky IV" nemesis, Dolph Lundgren.

"The Expendables" is also notable for being the first time Stallone has appeared on-screen with fellow '80s icons Arnold Schwarzenegger and Bruce Willis. Stallone told the Times that each of them had their own on-screen persona which made set them apart from one another: "Arnold was king of the one-liners. Bruce was witty and talkative... And I was pretty silent." He added that their differences made it impossible for him to see himself in his friend's signature roles. "Arnold was relentless, like this perfect machine. People asked if I could have played the Terminator. Are you kidding? Not a chance, I never could have played the Terminator."

As it happens, Bruce Willis will be at Comic-Con this weekend promoting his upcoming movie "Red," which also is an action flick about an aging team of experts. It stars Oscar-winners Morgan Freeman and Helen Mirren.

Stallone will preview "The Expendables" at Comic-Con on Thursday, and the movie will muscle its way into movie theaters on August 13.

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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2010, 01:14:59 PM »
"It was the first 'Batman' movie," Stallone told the Times, in reference to the 1989 movie adaptation...

Wrong. Fuck you Sylvester.  :D :D :D

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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2010, 01:19:26 PM »
The batman begins dude has a very solid build if I remember correctly.
Other than that movie Batman is gay as hell.
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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2010, 01:23:02 PM »
Wrong. Fuck you Sylvester.  :D :D :D


LOL....Stallone sounding like a bitter penis.

Reminds me of an interview with Jon BonJovi  one time...when asked about the huge popularity of grunge...and how it killed Hair Metal, he shot back..."i guess it's OK if you like music that isn't even in tune...I don't get it"...you could see how pissed he was that he wasn't "hot" anymore....out with the old, in with the new, bitch  :D

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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2010, 03:17:21 PM »
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Back in the 1980s, they were the biggest stars in Hollywood, both in terms of box-office receipts and bicep circumference. But the glory days of the brawny action heroes -- Stallone, Schwarzenegger, Van Damme, and the like -- eventually faded. In their place, a new breed of '90s star took over: younger, leaner, and nowhere near as macho. By decade's end, Keanu Reeves was a huge action star (shudder to think).

Where did it all go wrong? According to an interview with the Los Angeles Times, Sylvester Stallone puts the blame squarely on the caped shoulders of one comic book hero.

"It was the first 'Batman' movie," Stallone told the Times, in reference to the 1989 movie adaptation starring Michael Keaton as the Caped Crusader. He went on to say, "The action movies changed radically when it became possible to Velcro your muscles on," a clear dig at how the trim Keaton was encased in a sculpted Batsuit for the film. Stallone joked, "I wish I had thought of Velcro muscles myself... "I didn't have to go to the gym for all those years."

Stallone adds that the director Tim Burton's stylish take on the superhero story changed what audiences expected from an action flick: "It was the beginning of a new era. The visual took over. The special effects became more important than the single person. That was the beginning of the end."

It's ironic, then, that Stallone will be going to this year's San Diego Comic-Con -- the center for all things geeky -- to promote his upcoming movie, "The Expendables," which is a true throwback to the action hits of the '80s. In the film, Stallone (who also directed) leads a team of mercenaries to overthrow a corrupt South American dictator. It costars Jason Statham, Jet Li, Mickey Rourke, Terry Crews, and even Stallone's "Rocky IV" nemesis, Dolph Lundgren.

"The Expendables" is also notable for being the first time Stallone has appeared on-screen with fellow '80s icons Arnold Schwarzenegger and Bruce Willis. Stallone told the Times that each of them had their own on-screen persona which made set them apart from one another: "Arnold was king of the one-liners. Bruce was witty and talkative... And I was pretty silent." He added that their differences made it impossible for him to see himself in his friend's signature roles. "Arnold was relentless, like this perfect machine. People asked if I could have played the Terminator. Are you kidding? Not a chance, I never could have played the Terminator."

As it happens, Bruce Willis will be at Comic-Con this weekend promoting his upcoming movie "Red," which also is an action flick about an aging team of experts. It stars Oscar-winners Morgan Freeman and Helen Mirren.

Stallone will preview "The Expendables" at Comic-Con on Thursday, and the movie will muscle its way into movie theaters on August 13.

Stallone may have a point...good theory...Actually I think that the action movies started becoming really lame...."The Last Action Hero" with Arnold was really bad and started his long decline....Stallone started to lose it with a string of bad movies like "Over the Top" about arm wrestling.....and "Stop or my Mom will Shoot"...and people got tirred of Bruce Willis playing himself in every movie....and then he made Hudson Hawk..WOW....

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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2010, 03:35:34 PM »
Sly has a point about not having to actually have muscle to be an action star anymore....I mean look how the media went into a craze about how "ripped" and "muscular" Toby McGwire got for Spiderman....You gotta be kidding me these 12 yearold boys they call actions stars these days
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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2010, 03:43:02 PM »
Funny how the dude in the Flash tv show looked better in his suit than Sly ever did.
Still to this day, I think that show did the best in showing a "superhero" in real life settings.

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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2010, 04:04:29 PM »
Batman was a good movie, it had more character development than Sly's movies combined.
It was more of a 'film noir' than a down and dirty action movie. It think sly is being a sour grape.

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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2010, 04:11:39 PM »
Sly has a point about not having to actually have muscle to be an action star anymore....I mean look how the media went into a craze about how "ripped" and "muscular" Toby McGwire got for Spiderman....You gotta be kidding me these 12 yearold boys they call actions stars these days

ahahaaha, don't forget that people here on getbig will claim that he needed steroids to get this physique.  ::)

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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2010, 04:17:01 PM »
Batman was a good movie, it had more character development than Sly's movies combined.
It was more of a 'film noir' than a down and dirty action movie. It think sly is being a sour grape.
True, Batman has always been dark, and it captured that. Plus, Bruce Wayne is Billioniare businessman, head of Wayne Enterprises, so he's always wearing a suit, he has to blend in with society. It was only recently, I'd say the early 70s, did superheros have huge muscles, most were portrayed as being in shape. And let's face it, Sly and Arnold presented physiques that they themselves needed a little "boost" to obtain, and the characters that they played "Predators", and "Rambo", wouldn't look like that in real life, because it would take too much time and effort. Which in itself is not realistic.

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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2010, 05:06:58 PM »
I don't believe Sly's comments are expressed with bitterness, but rather, a matter of personal opinion.  I would have thought that his comments would have been directed more so at films with the predilection to overcompensate with CGI, however.  Nowadays, CGI is almost used as a crutch of sorts.  Rather than being an adjunct, CGI has become a gimmick to compensate for a lack of character and plot development.  It's easy to have superheros now, when you can simply generate the muscles and action scenes needed via CGI.

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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2010, 05:34:18 PM »
"It was the first 'Batman' movie," Stallone told the Times, in reference to the 1989 movie adaptation starring Michael Keaton as the Caped Crusader. He went on to say, "The action movies changed radically when it became possible to Velcro your muscles on," a clear dig at how the trim Keaton was encased in a sculpted Batsuit for the film. Stallone joked, "I wish I had thought of Velcro muscles myself... "I didn't have to go to the gym for all those years."
Didn't Stallone need steroids and recently GH to obtain a 160lbs physique?  You must be joking with this comment.  Do it without drugs, or it doesn't count...everyone knows this and no, nobody respects drug gains outside getbig.
Nothing but respect for Stallone, wrecking Hollywood pussy from before I was born.  Writing a great script with "Rocky" and not selling out, in order to star in it.  Impressive guy for sure.
But, when it comes to lifting, I give him none. ;)
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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2010, 06:18:14 PM »
Didn't Stallone need steroids and recently GH to obtain a 160lbs physique?  You must be joking with this comment.  Do it without drugs, or it doesn't count...everyone knows this and no, nobody respects drug gains outside getbig.
Nothing but respect for Stallone, wrecking Hollywood pussy from before I was born.  Writing a great script with "Rocky" and not selling out, in order to star in it.  Impressive guy for sure.
But, when it comes to lifting, I give him none. ;)
Good god man, get some new material. Seriously this must be your 5,000 post to the tune of "Do it without drugs, or your a wuss".
Ive never seen anyone so obsessed with what others do.

Seriously man, as soon as you post people just stop reading, its not like anyone actually reads your posts anymore, they see "All drugs" and there brain signs off. Think of it like when you read one of coachs posts about politics, same shit.

What happened to the funny Moaster Maker Croatch, that guy whos posts were entertaining and people actually like reading, not this bitter man pissed cause he used steroids a long time ago and they didnt do shit for him, now he feels the need to bash them constantly?

bing back the real Croatch, the guy posting the DD's in his face, the Moaster Maker vids, and generally not an obnoxious holier than thou, unoriginal stale asshole of a man

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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2010, 07:04:08 PM »
Funny how the dude in the Flash tv show looked better in his suit than Sly ever did.
Still to this day, I think that show did the best in showing a "superhero" in real life settings.

Oh man I used to love that show!! and they eventually released a made for TV movie, sorta spun off from the series!  Fucking loved The Flash


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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2010, 07:09:35 PM »
The flash was absolutely fantastic!

They could totally reboot it today and it would do well.

It's initial problem was that each episode cost 1 Million dollars to produce because of the cost of the speed special effects at the time... Now it wouldn't be jack to do.


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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2010, 07:48:38 PM »
Batman was a good movie, it had more character development than Sly's movies combined.
It was more of a 'film noir' than a down and dirty action movie. It think sly is being a sour grape.

he wrote rocky, which won oscars

michael keaton had nothing to do with the character development in batman a story told a million times in movies, comics, and tv

and he gave his opinion and viewpoint, no sour grapes for a guy with more fame and money than michael keaton ::)

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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2010, 07:54:44 PM »
The flash was absolutely fantastic!

They could totally reboot it today and it would do well.

It's initial problem was that each episode cost 1 Million dollars to produce because of the cost of the speed special effects at the time... Now it wouldn't be jack to do.




The Flash was a great series.
The effects were complex and production costs were ridiculous for that time.

I remember reading that the suit they used contained padded muscle, but “less than the Bat-suit,” which was a dig at Keaton and a nod to the fact that John Wesley Shipp actually had some muscularity.

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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2010, 08:52:07 PM »
he wrote rocky, which won oscars

michael keaton had nothing to do with the character development in batman a story told a million times in movies, comics, and tv

and he gave his opinion and viewpoint, no sour grapes for a guy with more fame and money than michael keaton ::)

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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2010, 07:29:08 AM »

LOL....Stallone sounding like a bitter penis.

Reminds me of an interview with Jon BonJovi  one time...when asked about the huge popularity of grunge...and how it killed Hair Metal, he shot back..."i guess it's OK if you like music that isn't even in tune...I don't get it"...you could see how pissed he was that he wasn't "hot" anymore....out with the old, in with the new, bitch  :D

Except... his tours are always in the top 3 grossing tours of the year..

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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2010, 07:31:10 AM »
Except... his tours are always in the top 3 grossing tours of the year..

Spot on, and what was that other music?? "Grunge"??

Died along with that fucking Junkie Cobain back in the nineties, and Bon Jovi will make his gay-ass-melodic-rock until he's 70.

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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2010, 07:43:25 AM »
Except... his tours are always in the top 3 grossing tours of the year..

Bon Jovi's statement was accurate though, half those grunge idiots don't know how to tune their guitars or basic chord theory

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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2010, 07:46:34 AM »
Bon Jovi's statement was accurate though, half those grunge idiots don't know how to tune their guitars or basic chord theory

Yep, but basic chord theory is not enough to make good music.Unless you enjoy this:


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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2010, 08:13:40 AM »
Spot on, and what was that other music?? "Grunge"??

Died along with that fucking Junkie Cobain back in the nineties, and Bon Jovi will make his gay-ass-melodic-rock until he's 70.

I was reading an article in one of those metro sexual type magazines that someone must have left around the office, think it was GQ or something like that where Bon Jovi was interviewed. I was kind of put off reading about his attitude which was basically, "I don't really care anymore about touring, it's part of the job. I go out there and do my thing and either they like it or they don't" (Paraphrasing). Then I got to the part where he talks about being at this party, and he met the wife of a famous football quarterback who has a son that was born with some tragic desease.. how she was telling him that her and her husband have to listen to people go on and on about football, and how great he was and this and that.. and all they can think about is thier son, and how can they help him more, and how can they raise awareness and how can they increase funding for research, and he went on to say how that 10 minute conversation had such an impact on him that he doesnt take himself too seriously and what he does is so small and trivial in the scheme of things.. I thought it was pretty cool..

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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2010, 08:35:14 AM »

The Flash was a great series.
The effects were complex and production costs were ridiculous for that time.

I remember reading that the suit they used contained padded muscle, but “less than the Bat-suit,” which was a dig at Keaton and a nod to the fact that John Wesley Shipp actually had some muscularity.


I always thought that the FLASH was a great series as well....told some good stories..but some heroes don't translate well to real life and Flash was kinda like that...the suit was great though

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Re: Sylvester Stallone Blames 'Batman' for Decline of '80s Action Heroes
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2010, 08:52:34 AM »
The first Batman and Batman returns are classics along with Rambo and Rocky series.

Sly just upset b/c Batman came along,took it to another level and phased his sh*t out.