Dorian said "Ronnie would probably win, I don't know"

[Hulkster]

its funny, what ronnie said was 100% accurate.

in terms of physiques at their best, he would destroy Haney, Dorian, Arnold et al.

but if he stepped on stage during their time looking like he did in 98/9 or the AC, would be be able to overcome the politics of their reigns?

given with the bulshit political wins of Arnold in 80, Dorian in 94, 97 and Haney in 90, its doubtful.

and he knows it.

Ronnie is much smarter than ND too. that much is very clear.

[NarcissisticDeity]

yup. ND fears educated people and he fears admitting what we all know to be true.

Where's the educated people ? 

all I see is guys who claim Dorian lost the most dominated Mr Olympia in history , and Ronnie has better detailed calves than Dorian , and Ronnie dominated a contest he lost the whole prejudging in and how a contest separated by just 3 points isn't close , where are these educated people? because all I see if some very dumb statements here 

lol@educated

[Hulkster]

Interesting this thread creates such a stir even though 2000 is considered Ronnie's 4th best year?

not really because everyone other than ND and Cockwave knows that even Ronnie's fourth best is still much better than most of dorian's years, esp. the post tear ones..

[Palpatine Q]

Where did I ever claim he wasn't being respectful? I'm proving my point where Hulkster claimed he would beat Dorian and that's an outright lie and once again Mr poor comprehension skills please find me where I ever once claimed he couldn't beat Haney or Arnold , you my friend are drawing your own conclusions

he was in fact being diplomatic however he did NOT say he would beat Dorian , that's a lie.

so when you quoted that statement, you admit that he's being diplomatic when it comes to Arnold and Lee, but it's the truth when it comes to Dorian ??

how does that work exactly ?

Also you admit that he's being diplomatic here....but when he said Dorian would keep on winning, he meant that...right?  

talk about cherry-picking what you want, and drawing your own conclusions  

[Immortal_Technique]

Oh yeah real ' drastic ' more strawmen from you , a single pic and a lot of overstatements

this is 1997 compared to 1999 doesn't look very ' drastic ' does it?  

you can't argue these pictures all you can do is harp on his bigger quads as if this alone constitutes a drastic change , when in fact his waist line grew dramatically   and the striations in his delts dried up ( bigger softer delts i.e. less density )

Ronnie did improve but not to the degree you claim these pics speak volumes and you can't argue to the contrary

Bwahaha, I always put it to you that your argument wouldn't convince Kevin, Flex, Nasser and all the other guys he leapfrogged. Clearly he improved enough to beat these guys. Conditioning from the back being the main thing. Glutes glutes glutes, and hams. Delt width also made a difference. But we needn't get into semantics, the FACT is he leapfrogged 7 other competitors between 97 and 98. I wish Shawn Ray was still here to reiterate his Chad argument. Not that we need it, but he's also amongst the leapfrogged pros, so respectfully I trust his first hand informed opinion more than your own on this particular point.

[NarcissisticDeity]

its funny, what ronnie said was 100% accurate.



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Hey liar where did he say he would beat Dorian? where? 

and Ronnie is accurate when you want him to be huh Mr Hypocrite? when Ronnie said on multiple occasions 1998 was his best Olympia you called him a liar ( ironic ) when he said it was his best because his conditioning was perfect , you once again claimed " Ronnie lies about everything " he likes about being a cop , about being injured , about taking steroids LMMFAO now Ronnie is right when you're trying very hard to bend his statement to fit your point of view

HYPOCRITE 

summary: Ronnie is right when you think he is and wrong every time he says he couldn't beat Dorian lol

someone said something about ' educated ' 

[Hulkster]

Hey liar where did he say he would beat Dorian? where? 

uh. right in the interview?

do you not understand english?

when asked who would win if all of them stepped onstage in their primes he specifically said:

Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win

jesus.

no wonder you fear educated people. we can read and understand english. you can't.

[Hulkster]

Bwahaha, I always put it to you that your argument wouldn't convince Kevin, Flex, Nasser and all the other guys he leapfrogged. Clearly he improved enough to beat these guys. Conditioning from the back being the main thing. Glutes glutes glutes, and hams. Delt width also made a difference. But we needn't get into semantics, the FACT is he leapfrogged 7 other competitors between 97 and 98. I wish Shawn Ray was still here to reiterate his Chad argument. Not that we need it, but he's also amongst the leapfrogged pros, so respectfully I trust his first hand informed opinion more than your own on this particular point.

there is no debate about this. it only exists in ND's fucked up head.

I posted the two videos (97 and 99) and the difference is staggering.

ND pretends not to see much of a difference just to fit his agenda.

thats all.

[Shockwave]

its funny, what ronnie said was 100% accurate.

in terms of physiques at their best, he would destroy Haney, Dorian, Arnold et al.

but if he stepped on stage during their time looking like he did in 98/9 or the AC, would be be able to overcome the politics of their reigns?

given with the bulshit political wins of Arnold in 80, Dorian in 94, 97 and Haney in 90, its doubtful.

and he knows it.

Ronnie is much smarter than ND too. that much is very clear.

BTW, generally people who are educated know the rules and guidelines there particular hobby or sport goes by, and educated people follow/respect said rules. The fact that you bitch and moan about judging and politics. Educated people accept that is how things are. You applaude the judging when it goes your way and say its politics when it doesnt. So clearly, you dont abide by the standards and guidelines set into place, so youre are the uneducated one.

[Immortal_Technique]

Where did I ever claim he wasn't being respectful? I'm proving my point where Hulkster claimed he would beat Dorian and that's an outright lie and once again Mr poor comprehension skills please find me where I ever once claimed he couldn't beat Haney or Arnold , you my friend are drawing your own conclusions

he was in fact being diplomatic however he did NOT say he would beat Dorian , that's a lie.

Oh brother he lists Haney, Arnold and DORIAN all together and says they'd all beat him in their eras. If you think for a second he believes Dorian could beat him in 2003 you need your head examined. Of course you will claim this hilarious childish lie forever, but not being 12 myself I will simply sigh and continue with my own rational thoughts. Lest ye not forget Dorian also said Ronnie would probably beat him. Means nothing. Cease using in debate.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Bwahaha, I always put it to you that your argument wouldn't convince Kevin, Flex, Nasser and all the other guys he leapfrogged. Clearly he improved enough to beat these guys. Conditioning from the back being the main thing. Glutes glutes glutes, and hams. Delt width also made a difference. But we needn't get into semantics, the FACT is he leapfrogged 7 other competitors between 97 and 98. I wish Shawn Ray was still here to reiterate his Chad argument. Not that we need it, but he's also amongst the leapfrogged pros, so respectfully I trust his first hand informed opinion more than your own on this particular point.

Out of all the guys that Ronnie leapfrogged over how many of them beat Dorian? NONE Ronnie did improve in my opinion not enough to beat Dorian and apparently not in his own opinion either.

conditioning from the back is NOT the main thing even entertaining it were true Ronnie was better ( which he's not ) the main thing is the entire criteria not part of it.

and you apparently don't trust Ronnie's first hand informed opinion when he said Dorian would win but hey what are you gonna say?

[NarcissisticDeity]

uh. right in the interview?

do you not understand english?

when asked who would win if all of them stepped onstage in their primes he specifically said:

jesus.

no wonder you fear educated people. we can read and understand english. you can't.

NO WHERE does he say he would beat Dorian , you're a liar with comprehension problems , he eludes to it , he leave you to draw your own conclusions , but he never committed to an answer until these quotes 



Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?

Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.

Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90.  interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.

Jim:  What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?


Ronnie:  Dorian would have won again.


Jim: You think so?


Ronnie:  I know so.  Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block.  He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.  He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.


NO speculation , leaves nothing to the imagination , thanks for playing Mr Hypocrite who calls Ronnie a liar and then claims he's 100% right 

[Palpatine Q]

Out of all the guys that Ronnie leapfrogged over how many of them beat Dorian? NONE Ronnie did improve in my opinion not enough to beat Dorian and apparently not in his own opinion either.

conditioning from the back is NOT the main thing even entertaining it were true Ronnie was better ( which he's not ) the main thing is the entire criteria not part of it.

and you apparently don't trust Ronnie's first hand informed opinion when he said Dorian would win but hey what are you gonna say?

And like others have also pointed out...he also said Lee Haney and Arnold would beat him too...he's obviously being respectful to his predecessors, but you will cherry pick the bits about Dorian as fact, but at the same time you agree he was being respectful when it comes to the other two.....Again, how does that work?? 

[NarcissisticDeity]

so when you quoted that statement, you admit that he's being diplomatic when it comes to Arnold and Lee, but it's the truth when it comes to Dorian ??

how does that work exactly ?

Also you admit that he's being diplomatic here....but when he said Dorian would keep on winning, he meant that...right?  

talk about cherry-picking what you want, and drawing your own conclusions  

I'll tell you exactly how it works , Haney and Arnold NEVER beat Ronnie , Dorian did , see simple 

in fact Dorian beat Ronnie for years , it's not out of the realm of possibility he would do it again

I'm not drawing my own conclusions I'm going on exactly what he said , YOU drew your own conclusions when you decided to decipher what Ronnie really meant

[NarcissisticDeity]

Oh brother he lists Haney, Arnold and DORIAN all together and says they'd all beat him in their eras. If you think for a second he believes Dorian could beat him in 2003 you need your head examined. Of course you will claim this hilarious childish lie forever, but not being 12 myself I will simply sigh and continue with my own rational thoughts. Lest ye not forget Dorian also said Ronnie would probably beat him. Means nothing. Cease using in debate.

There you go speaking for Ronnie , you put way , way to much stock into 2003 even Ronnie himself says it ain't his best , don't presume to speak for Ronnie

[NeoSeminole]

Oh brother he lists Haney, Arnold and DORIAN all together and says they'd all beat him in their eras. If you think for a second he believes Dorian could beat him in 2003 you need your head examined. Of course you will claim this hilarious childish lie forever, but not being 12 myself I will simply sigh and continue with my own rational thoughts. Lest ye not forget Dorian also said Ronnie would probably beat him. Means nothing. Cease using in debate.

Ronnie also said he should have won at the 06 Mr Olympia (the year he lost to Jay Cutler). It's funny that ND likes to ignore this yet reposts the quote from Ronnie saying Dorian would beat him as some sort of 'proof' that Ronnie is fit to judge contests

[Palpatine Q]

I'll tell you exactly how it works , Haney and Arnold NEVER beat Ronnie , Dorian did , see simple 

in fact Dorian beat Ronnie for years , it's not out of the realm of possibility he would do it again

I'm not drawing my own conclusions I'm going on exactly what he said , YOU drew your own conclusions when you decided to decipher what Ronnie really meant

Has nothing to do with what you just said....you are the typical  goalpost- moving  fanboy.

It's very difficult to take anything you say seriously when any time someone points out a valid inconsistency in your argument, you ignore it and post something irrelevant

[NarcissisticDeity]

And like others have also pointed out...he also said Lee Haney and Arnold would beat him too...he's obviously being respectful to his predecessors, but you will cherry pick the bits about Dorian as fact, but at the same time you agree he was being respectful when it comes to the other two.....Again, how does that work?? 

In fact he didn't say Arnold and Haney would beat him , he said he couldn't beat them in their era , whatever that means    and FYI Ronnie's era was Dorian's era they competed at the same time and the difference again which you can't seem to grasp is , Lee Haney and Arnold Schwarzenegger NEVER beat Ronnie , Dorian did

the fact is Ronnie never said he would beat them , he left it open for people to draw their own conclusions , he was being respectful to former champs HOWEVER subsequent to this quote he's gone on record as saying he felt Dorian would beat him , no eluding , no speculation , it was pretty definitive and fanboys have been trying to speak for him ever since.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Has nothing to do with what you just said....you are the typical  goalpost- moving  fanboy.

It's very difficult to take anything you say seriously when any time someone points out a valid inconsistency in your argument, you ignore it and post something irrelevant

talk about irony , Mr It's a fact that Dorian lost the 1997 Mr Olympia

there is NO valid inconsistency , he never claimed he would beat Dorian that's a lie.

[NeoSeminole]

talk about irony , Mr It's a fact that Dorian lost the 1997 Mr Olympia

quoted for preservation

[Palpatine Q]

In fact he didn't say Arnold and Haney would beat him , he said he couldn't beat them in their era , whatever that means    and FYI Ronnie's era was Dorian's era they competed at the same time and the difference again which you can't seem to grasp is , Lee Haney and Arnold Schwarzenegger NEVER beat Ronnie , Dorian did

the fact is Ronnie never said he would beat them , he left it open for people to draw their own conclusions , he was being respectful to former champs HOWEVER subsequent to this quote he's gone on record as saying he felt Dorian would beat him , no eluding , no speculation , it was pretty definitive and fanboys have been trying to speak for him ever since.

So when he said that he would lose to Haney and Arnold, he's being respectful...but when asked about Yates, he meant that shit??

Who's trying to speak for him here??  

[Palpatine Q]

talk about irony , Mr It's a fact that Dorian lost the 1997 Mr Olympia

there is NO valid inconsistency , he never claimed he would beat Dorian that's a lie.

when did i say that? are you on drugs or something??

I said he shouldn't have won, something YOU and just about everyone else agrees on 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie also said he should have won at the 06 Mr Olympia (the year he lost to Jay Cutler). It's funny that ND likes to ignore this yet reposts the quote from Ronnie saying Dorian would beat him as some sort of 'proof' that Ronnie is fit to judge contests

Ronnie's said a lot of contradictory things , and you're right Ronnie isn't fit to judge contests HOWEVER that's not the point , the point is his opinion trumps ANY of yours it's more valid than ANY of yours and it doesn't mean it's true but boy people absolutely hate that he admits he wouldn't beat Dorian lol it's amazing

[Shockwave]

What was that about people trying to say Ronnie was as conditioned as Dorian?

Ronnie who?

[Hulkster]

Has nothing to do with what you just said....you are the typical  goalpost- moving  fanboy.

It's very difficult to take anything you say seriously when any time someone points out a valid inconsistency in your argument, you ignore it and post something irrelevant

he doesn't understand the inconsistency that we point out. that takes brains.

so he just moves on. ignorance is bliss.