Author Topic: Dorian said "Ronnie would probably win, I don't know"  (Read 136706 times)

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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #575 on: July 29, 2010, 06:24:06 PM »
Don't bring Jay Cutler into this, he's a fridge with no fanbase and was on least 5 diuretics in 01 according to the wizard of truth

Funny, I recall the Wizard being DQ'd for diuretics one year.

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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #576 on: July 29, 2010, 07:00:37 PM »
Funny, I recall the Wizard being DQ'd for diuretics one year.

The man knows diuretics...

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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #577 on: July 29, 2010, 07:12:03 PM »
Funny, I recall the Wizard being DQ'd for diuretics one year.
yes he is open about it, but he didn't pitch a fit over it

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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #578 on: July 29, 2010, 07:35:30 PM »
yes he is open about it, but he didn't pitch a fit over it

No, he is just stuck in the 90's, bitter over never having won the Olympia, selling soiled underwear and slamming everyone in the industry. 

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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #579 on: July 29, 2010, 07:39:05 PM »
dude, did you just say that the 2001 version of Jay was a mess??

at that show Jay beat: Levrone, Ray, Cormier, Gunter, Burke, Ruhl, James, ect... So he must have looked pretty good!
 

yeah, he looked really great LMAO:

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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #580 on: July 29, 2010, 07:40:16 PM »
No, he is just stuck in the 90's, bitter over never having won the Olympia, selling soiled underwear and slamming everyone in the industry. 
either way my point is proven

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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #581 on: July 29, 2010, 07:46:01 PM »
either way my point is proven

It's irrelevant.  Nasser can hardly criticize an act that he himself has been guilty of.  Of course Nasser is open about it, he got caught.  Would he still be, if not for that fact?

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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #582 on: July 29, 2010, 07:47:44 PM »
It's irrelevant.  Nasser can hardly criticize an act that he himself has been guilty of.  Of course Nasser is open about it, he got caught. 
the point was cutler was on 5 diuretics and still was not as good as ronnie

nasser has nothing to do with it, he's just the inside source in this case. 

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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #583 on: July 29, 2010, 07:49:17 PM »
the point was cutler was on 5 diuretics and still was not as good as ronnie

nasser has nothing to do with it, he's just the inside source in this case.  

I seem to recall Jay winning the prejudging.  Ronnie won ultimately, but who was truly better on that day is up for debate as a result. I would also suggest that Big Bubba was using some "help" to dry out, courtesy of Teh Chad.  

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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #584 on: July 30, 2010, 03:26:21 AM »
yeah, he looked really great LMAO:

LOL, listen to the commentary on the TV broadcast where Shawn Ray says that Cutler is in better condition than the champion. I've seen the video recorded from American TV that was sent to me and all I can say is Coleman looked like utter shite at 264lbs.

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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #585 on: July 30, 2010, 03:28:13 AM »
LOL at 1:35.



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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #586 on: July 30, 2010, 09:17:15 AM »
Dorian would look like an amateur next to King Ronnie :o


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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #587 on: July 30, 2010, 09:19:09 AM »
Best ever . . .




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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #588 on: July 30, 2010, 09:24:14 AM »
Dorian would look like an amateur next to King Ronnie :o



Fuck he looked awful there. Triceps look like they have disappeared, midsection is out of control, holding a shitload of water, lats are severely unbalanced. Now, the 2001 AC, he was absolutely unbeatable. Could be even better then at the 1998 O. One of the 5-6 best showings of all time.

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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #589 on: July 30, 2010, 09:42:43 AM »
No it's not the same as muscular bulk , muscularity relates to density & dryness and the ability to clearly see the muscles defined and separated from each other in the absence of bodyfat and water and guess who ruled the roost in this department? Ronnie in some areas shows more detail than Dorian and in some areas more striations it doesn't mean he's carrying more muscle , less fat or less water

striations are genetic obviously you need pretty great conditioning to see them but for the most part they are genetic , which is why some guys have more than others Munzer and have them in some places other don't like Munzer had striations on his rectus femoris and I don't recall seeing anyone else who had them

Dryness is the absence of water that can obscure the muscles from being fully shown , a lot of times you see a reference to Dorian's skin being like tissue paper covering pure muscle , no water or fat to obscure the muscles

Density is the absence of fat from the muscles so in essence all you're left with his pure muscle , again to use Dorian has the reference when they go on about his muscle hardness , which is exactly why Ronnie 1998/2001 is considered his best showings ever because his density & dryness are at their absolute best especially compared to 2003 and 2000

the combination of muscular bulk supplemented by muscle hardness ( density ) and muscle dryness is highly prized by the judges , it really can't be understated , it's extremely hard to tie this all-together in one shot and it was Dorian's hallmark for years and this combo is what saved his ass in 1997 because he was up against a guy who couldn't compete in this area and his severely deficient back

Symmetry doesn't really mean left right exactness , because nothing in nature is truly symmetrical , and right or left hand dominant people are always going to have one arm slighting bigger than the other , one quads etc , now obviously judges look for obvious and glaring signs of this type of discrepancy but in normal contexts on the word it refers to taper , joint size , hip size , waist size AND muscular balance & proportion , Flex is known as the Sultan of Symmetry for the first part of this criteria , and Dorian is know for the second

now the thing with all of this criteria is , it is ALL judged at the exact same time in every single pose from every single angle and no one part of the criteria is more important than the other , if a guy has great symmetry but is severely lacking in density & dryness and is a shitty poser he's not going to win , if a guy is carrying a lot of muscular bulk yet his conditioning sucks he's not gonna do well , it's who meets ALL of the criteria better than who he is being compared to us usually judged the winner

So as I've said before while Ronnie meets part(s) of the criteria better than Dorian , as a whole when everything is being ascertained he doesn't meet ALL of the criteria better.




Interesting information on the judging criteria. I already knew some of it, but I did not know other parts as you explained them in detail here.

As far as 98 Ronnie vs 93-95 Dorian, you say Dorian meets all of the criteria better, but others (myself included) say Ronnie meets it better. Since they never faced each other at their respective bests, we'll will never know the true outcome and just speculate.


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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #590 on: July 30, 2010, 09:44:33 AM »
Best ever . . .





Flex in that first video is amazing, I always thought that the only two bb's who could beat Dorian were Ronnie and Flex.

I wonder what would've happened at the 93 Olympia if Flex had shown up like he did at the 93 AC?

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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #591 on: July 30, 2010, 11:21:12 AM »
Dorian had some crazy thickness from all Angles that Ronnie lacked.

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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #592 on: July 30, 2010, 11:22:46 AM »
Thickness what?









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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #593 on: July 30, 2010, 11:53:31 AM »
Fuck he looked awful there. Triceps look like they have disappeared, midsection is out of control, holding a shitload of water, lats are severely unbalanced. Now, the 2001 AC, he was absolutely unbeatable. Could be even better then at the 1998 O. One of the 5-6 best showings of all time

triceps, midsection, and conditioning all look good to me. Dunno what you're smoking ???








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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #594 on: July 30, 2010, 12:02:19 PM »
Thickness what?

King Ronnie laughs at what you call "thickness"








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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #595 on: July 30, 2010, 12:06:33 PM »
Interesting information on the judging criteria. I already knew some of it, but I did not know other parts as you explained them in detail here.

As far as 98 Ronnie vs 93-95 Dorian, you say Dorian meets all of the criteria better, but others (myself included) say Ronnie meets it better. Since they never faced each other at their respective bests, we'll will never know the true outcome and just speculate.


no ND knows for fact

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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #596 on: July 30, 2010, 01:32:38 PM »
King Ronnie laughs at what you call "thickness"









Epic keeping the camera above the knees to enable nut-huggers to suck their own dicks.

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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #597 on: July 30, 2010, 01:33:25 PM »
triceps, midsection, and conditioning all look good to me. Dunno what you're smoking ???


He's spot-on dude , in the side triceps Ronnie's lateral head looks like some took an eraser to it  :-\ his midsection looks horrible like he said it's out of control and his conditioning? oh-boy compared to 98/01 it's night & day and his balance & conditioning are again at their worse , there is a very good reason his prime showings are his lightest

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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #598 on: July 30, 2010, 01:35:14 PM »
no ND knows for fact

Yeah just like you know for a fact contests are fixed  ::)

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Re: Could Dorian beat this?
« Reply #599 on: July 30, 2010, 01:38:46 PM »
Epic filming above the knees to enable nut-huggers to suck their own dicks.

don't know why everything has to be about cocks for you. Are you gay, brah?