Dorian said "Ronnie would probably win, I don't know"

[NarcissisticDeity]

Interesting information on the judging criteria. I already knew some of it, but I did not know other parts as you explained them in detail here.

As far as 98 Ronnie vs 93-95 Dorian, you say Dorian meets all of the criteria better, but others (myself included) say Ronnie meets it better. Since they never faced each other at their respective bests, we'll will never know the true outcome and just speculate.

Entertaining Dorian would face Ronnie 1998 and it would be close , Ronnie would lose just based on bitch tits , and lets entertain conditioning is equal , Dorian is still carrying more muscular bulk with equal conditioning not bitch tits , now factor in the fact Dorian has better balance & proportion and he's more complete , again the strengths just are too much for Ronnie

[NeoSeminole]

He's spot-on dude , in the side triceps Ronnie's lateral head looks like some took an eraser to it his midsection looks horrible like he said it's out of control and his conditioning? oh-boy compared to 98/01 it's night & day and his balance & conditioning are again at their worse , there is a very good reason his prime showings are his lightest

oh lordy, you guys crack me up! I posted several pics showing Ronnie weighing 301 lbs posing without a gut. If you want to penalize someone for their midsection when their not flexing, then Dorian had a gut in 93 and 95 AND was 45 lbs lighter. There's no excuse for that. At least Ronnie had size on the rest of his frame to make up for it

[NarcissisticDeity]

oh lordy, you guys crack me up! I posted several pics showing Ronnie weighing 301 lbs posing without a gut. If you want to penalize someone for their midsection when their not flexing, then Dorian had a gut in 93 and 95 AND was 45 lbs lighter. There's no excuse for that. At least Ronnie had size on the rest of his frame to make up for it

You as usual just glossed right over the fact we said it looked horrible , not just the distension , the lack of crisp muscularity , razor sharp definition of the abdominals , serratus , intercostals , obliques , etc

he's 301lbs? and you thin for one moments that 45 extra pounds are muscle? it's not he's carrying a lot of sq fat and he's holding water

in order for Ronnie to be on par with Dorian's density & dryness he would be about 247lbs 

[NeoSeminole]

You as usual just glossed right over the fact we said it looked horrible , not just the distension , the lack of crisp muscularity , razor sharp definition of the abdominals , serratus , intercostals , obliques , etc

that's genetics - nothing much he can do about it

isn't that your excuse whenever we point out Dorian's lack of crisp muscularity and razor sharp definition?

[NeoSeminole]

supposedly the best physique of all-time here according to ND



can't even compare to a 301 lbs Ronnie "carrying a lot of sq fat and he's holding water" and whose "midsection looks horrible"

[NarcissisticDeity]

supposedly the best physique of all-time here according to ND


can't even compare to a 301 lbs Ronnie "carrying a lot of sq fat and he's holding water" and whose "midsection looks horrible"

Neo you're doing a classic Hulkster posting an flexed/unflexed ' comparison ' same contest

[NeoSeminole]

Neo you're doing a classic Hulkster posting an flexed/unflexed ' comparison ' same contest

they're both unflexed, dummy. If anything, Dorian is flexing in the line-up while Ronnie is in the middle of transition

no wonder people think you're slow

[NarcissisticDeity]

that's genetics - nothing much he can do about it

isn't that your excuse whenever we point out Dorian's lack of crisp muscularity and razor sharp definition?

No Neo , that's not genetics that's lack of conditioning his midsection was sharper when hes lighter

and pay attention Neo , striations are genetic and when you can't see the striations Ronnie had previously guess what's obscuring them?

[NeoSeminole]

No Neo , that's not genetics that's lack of conditioning his midsection was sharper when hes lighter

no ND, that's not a matter of conditioning - that's genetics. His midsection has always looked like that, even when he's at a lighter weight

[NarcissisticDeity]

they're both unflexed, dummy. If anything, Dorian is flexing in the line-up while Ronnie is in the middle of transition

no wonder people think you're slow

Boy it doesn't take you long to get sensitive and start name calling 

Ronnie is NOT unflexed stop the nonsense anyone with a brain can watch the video and see he's flexed

slow people think I'm slow because they can't comprehend much

[NeoSeminole]

Boy it doesn't take you long to get sensitive and start name calling

brah, I call it like I see it. You = dummy

Ronnie is NOT unflexed stop the nonsense anyone with a brain can watch the video and see he's flexed

Anyone with a brain can watch the video of Dorian and see that he's flexed also. So that cancels out your argument

what's your excuse now for Dorian weighing 257 lbs and having a worse gut than Ronnie at 301 lbs?

[NarcissisticDeity]

no ND, that's not a matter of conditioning - that's genetics. His midsection has always looked like that, even when he's at a lighter weight

WRONG the shape of his muscles have always been that way , that's genetics , the crisp muscularity is a matter of conditioning which compared to his lighter versions is lacking

take a wild guess which version is harder & drier

[NeoSeminole]

WRONG the shape of his muscles have always been that way , that's genetics , the crisp muscularity is a matter of conditioning which compared to his lighter versions is lacking

take a wild guess which version is harder & drier

nice try but the pic of heavier Ronnie is from the 04 Mr Olympia. What does that have to do with the Dutch GP? Also, you can't compare 2 different poses taken in different lighting conditions. In the studio shot of Ronnie, the photographer is coaching him to flex all his muscles and probably told him to tense his abs. We also don't know how many shots it took to get that 1 great pic of him. Onstage is much less forgiving

[NarcissisticDeity]

brah, I call it like I see it. You = dummy

Anyone with a brain can watch the video of Dorian and see that he's flexed also. So that cancels out your argument

what's your excuse now for Dorian weighing 257 lbs and having a worse gut than Ronnie at 301 lbs?

you call like you see it? yeah and you're often wrong , Mr balance & proportion are the same thing and Ronnie's carrying more muscular bulk at 247lbs than Dorian at 269lbs 

I just posted a picture of Dorian fully flexed from the same contest and night & day difference between the unflexed screencap of Dorian , you didn't dare comment on it 

yes a worse gut than Ronnie at 247/264/287/300lbs

[NeoSeminole]

^^^

hahaha, I was waiting to see how many posts it would take for you to crack

what do any of those pics have to do with the Dutch GP from which the pics I posted came from?

in before more excuses and deflections

[NarcissisticDeity]

nice try but the pic of heavier Ronnie is from the 04 Mr Olympia. What does that have to do with the Dutch GP? Also, you can't compare 2 different poses taken in different lighting conditions. In the studio shot of Ronnie, the photographer is coaching him to flex all his muscles and probably told him to tense his abs. We also don't know how many shots it took to get that 1 great pic of him. Onstage is much less forgiving

Please tell me you're claiming he's just as hard and as dry as he was at the 01ASC? 

and I'll tell you what it has to do with the dutch GP , the bigger Ronnie got , the worse his density & dryness became and his balance & proportion ( two separate entities FYI  ) which is why the vast majority of EXPERTS concur his lightest showings are his best showings

[NeoSeminole]

Please tell me you're claiming he's just as hard and as dry as he was at the 01ASC?

and I'll tell you what it has to do with the dutch GP , the bigger Ronnie got , the worse his density & dryness became and his balance & proportion ( two separate entities FYI ) which is why the vast majority of EXPERTS concur his lightest showings are his best showings

lmao @ you trying to connect the dots "he looked better at a lighter weight so he must have looked worse the heavier he got in a linear fashion"

I don't know why you're going off on a tangent about conditioning when all I'm talking about is his genetics for his midsection

[NarcissisticDeity]

lmao @ you trying to connect the dots "he looked better at a lighter weight so he must have looked worse the heavier he got in a linear fashion"

I don't know why you're going off on a tangent about conditioning when all I'm talking about is his genetics for his midsection

No trying to connect the dots what so ever , it's a FACT the heavier he became the more his conditioning suffered , as well as is balance & proportion

No you're the one who glossed over the fact that not only was his gut out of control at this contest , but his razor sharp conditioning ( all over ) but in his midsection was lacking , you're the one that tried to claim Dorian's gut was worse then proceeded to post a pic of a flex Ronnie and an unflexed Dorian as ' proof ' 

Ronnie's GUT was ever present at this contest , his crisp muscularity was a thing of the past and he was carrying a lot more water and SQ fat compared to his best showings

[NarcissisticDeity]

^^^

hahaha, I was waiting to see how many posts it would take for you to crack

what do any of those pics have to do with the Dutch GP from which the pics I posted came from?

in before more excuses and deflections

Oh yeah says the puppy who just wondered into another Yates thread begging for my attention  ' oh please look at me , look at me '

posting pics of an unflexed Dorian and a flexed Ronnie talking about he's got a bigger gut despite being down 45 lbs who's cracking fan-boy? 

[NarcissisticDeity]

supposedly the best physique of all-time here according to ND

Dorian fully flexed in the same pose 

[NeoSeminole]

uh oh, ND is really getting desperate folks. Why did you post a front shot of Dorian to 'prove' he didn't have a gut? Why do you keep claiming he wasn't flexed in the pic of him in the line-up during prejudging? Kevin is flexing right next to him, lol. And lmao @ the best you can do is post a pic of Ronnie at the 04 Dutch GP with a gut that's no worse than Dorian's when he weighed 45 lbs less, bwahahaha. Epic backfire

[NarcissisticDeity]

uh oh, ND is really getting desperate folks. Why did you post a front shot of Dorian to 'prove' he didn't have a gut? Why do you keep claiming he wasn't flexed in the pic of him in the line-up during prejudging? Kevin is flexing right next to him, lol. And lmao @ the best you can do is post a pic of Ronnie at the 04 Dutch GP with a gut that's no worse than Dorian's when he weighed 45 lbs less, bwahahaha. Epic backfire

desperate is posting a pic of Ronnie head-on flexed compared to one of Dorian from the side unflexed  and that would be you

and yeah because Kevin is flexed so that must mean Dorian is flexed too , dummy anyone?

you keep mistaken the 45 extra pounds as muscle and it's not , Ronnie's gut at 247lbs is BIGGER than Dorian's at 260lbs and this is Ronnie at his best 

you followed me into another thread only to get corrected on all your lame arguments , the backfire is on you fanboy

[NeoSeminole]

how is Ronnie's gut at 301 lbs...



any worse than Dorian's at 257 lbs?

[Nirvana]

how is Ronnie's gut at 301 lbs...



any worse than Dorian's at 257 lbs?

it's not, end of story

[Palpatine Q]

desperate is posting a pic of Ronnie head-on flexed compared to one of Dorian from the side unflexed  and that would be you

and yeah because Kevin is flexed so that must mean Dorian is flexed too , dummy anyone?

you keep mistaken the 45 extra pounds as muscle and it's not , Ronnie's gut at 247lbs is BIGGER than Dorian's at 260lbs and this is Ronnie at his best 

you followed me into another thread only to get corrected on all your lame arguments , the backfire is on you fanboy

they both had guts when they let them hang, and the both had tight midsections when flexed...please stfu already.

Dorian had better abdominals as far as the abs themselves, Ronnie had a naturally smaller waist and better taper.  kind of a draw IMO