Dorian said "Ronnie would probably win, I don't know"

[NarcissisticDeity]

Why don't you post pics of Dorian actually hitting the pose for your comparisons??  

because he's deathly afraid , he fears Dorian at his best which is why he's known for posting only Dorian at his worse and he fears Dorian fully flexed and when pushed on his trolling he'll post a good pic and then " see Dorian still loses " it's his m.o. his buddy Neo is the same way posts unflxed pics of Dorian and cries look

[NeoSeminole]

Why does Dorian have striated traps yet Ronnie doesn't? sure not because Ronnie's traps aren't well defined and free of sq fat and water

genetics

[Shockwave]

genetics

No, its called conditioning is unimportant to you compared to size.
You want to see size, and if thats at the expense of losing his dead nuts conditioning, youre ok with that.
But according to the actual IFBB judging criteria (You know, what was written by the officials as how youre supposed to judge a contest) Conditioning is of the highest priority.

[NeoSeminole]

hey ND, why does Ronnie have split biceps and Dorian doesn't? Must be a lack of dat der conditioning

[Royal Lion]

because he's deathly afraid , he fears Dorian at his best which is why he's known for posting only Dorian at his worse and he fears Dorian fully flexed and when pushed on his trolling he'll post a good pic and then " see Dorian still loses " it's his m.o. his buddy Neo is the same way posts unflxed pics of Dorian and cries look

Yep.  At their respective bests, Dorian -v- Ronnie could go either way.  Not sure whey they're so hypersensitive about this...it's kinda strange.

[WillGrant]

Can you not see the difference??

Flex is winning all three of those shots 

[NeoSeminole]

No, its called conditioning is unimportant to you compared to size.

riiiiight, when I've pointed out Ronnie's advantage in striations and separations numerous times, ND claims it's just "genetics"

However, when Dorian has the advantage in striations or separations in a certain body part (e.g. traps or midsection), all of a sudden it's due to conditioning

does the Dorian fanboyism know now bounds?

You want to see size, and if thats at the expense of losing his dead nuts conditioning, youre ok with that. But according to the actual IFBB judging criteria (You know, what was written by the officials as how youre supposed to judge a contest) Conditioning is of the highest priority.

no, not really. There is more to the judging criteria than just muscular bulk or definition. If conditioning were most important, than Gaspari would have a few Mr. Olympia titles and Dexter would have beaten Ronnie Coleman. The better physique is the one that meets the judging criteria better than the rest. What Ronnie sacrifices in conditioning, he makes up for in size

at what point do you tilt the bar in favor of one bodybuilder or the other? When the difference in one criteria outweighs the other. Ronnie's size at 301 lbs > Dorian's conditioning at 257 lbs. This is not just a wild guess by some random person on the internet. This is the precedent set by the judges at the Mr. Olympia who decided Haney beat Gaspari and Ronnie beat Dexter Jackson

[NarcissisticDeity]

genetics

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exactly my point , see you can teach an old dog new tricks , good boy

[NarcissisticDeity]

hey ND, why does Ronnie have split biceps and Dorian doesn't? Must be a lack of dat der conditioning

Genetics 

[Mr Nobody]

Genetics 

X2 Genetics rule. You can take all the drugs you want genetics will always prevail.

[NeoSeminole]

X2 Genetics rule. You can take all the drugs you want genetics will always prevail.

so what you're saying is Ronnie > Dorian b/c Ronnie has better genetics?

[NarcissisticDeity]

riiiiight, when I've pointed out Ronnie's advantage in striations and separations numerous times, ND claims it's just "genetics"

However, when Dorian has the advantage in striations or separations in a certain body part (e.g. traps or midsection), all of a sudden it's due to conditioning

does the Dorian fanboyism know now bounds?

no, not really. There is more to the judging criteria than just muscular bulk or definition. If conditioning were most important, than Gaspari would have a few Mr. Olympia titles and Dexter would have beaten Ronnie Coleman. The better physique is the one that meets the judging criteria better than the rest. What Ronnie sacrifices in conditioning, he makes up for in size

at what point do you tilt the bar in favor of one bodybuilder or the other? When the difference in one criteria outweighs the other. Ronnie's size at 301 lbs > Dorian's conditioning at 257 lbs. This is not just a wild guess by some random person on the internet. This is the precedent set by the judges at the Mr. Olympia who decided Haney beat Gaspari and Ronnie beat Dexter Jackson

riiiiight, when I've pointed out Ronnie's advantage in striations and separations numerous times, ND claims it's just "genetics"

However, when Dorian has the advantage in striations or separations in a certain body part (e.g. traps or midsection), all of a sudden it's due to conditioning

absolutely , and NOT it's not due to conditioning it's genetics however you obviously need great conditioning for the striations to be seen

no, not really. There is more to the judging criteria than just muscular bulk or definition. If conditioning were most important, than Gaspari would have a few Mr. Olympia titles and Dexter would have beaten Ronnie Coleman. The better physique is the one that meets the judging criteria better than the rest. What Ronnie sacrifices in conditioning, he makes up for in size

absolutely there is more to the criteria than just bulk and definition , like I've said with all thing being ' equal ' the better conditioned athlete usually wins , Gaspari was NOT equal in terms of structure compared with Haney or , muscular bulk and the same applies to Dex

you insist on mistaken size with dense , dry muscle , the same would apply to Nasser who was down conditioning but made up for it in size but was still beaten by Shawn Ray who was nearly 80lbs lighter

at what point do you tilt the bar in favor of one bodybuilder or the other? When the difference in one criteria outweighs the other. Ronnie's size at 301 lbs > Dorian's conditioning at 257 lbs. This is not just a wild guess by some random person on the internet. This is the precedent set by the judges at the Mr. Olympia who decided Haney beat Gaspari and Ronnie beat Dexter Jackson

WRONG absolutely wrong , still having a problem grasping how contests are judged. one PART of the criteria doesn't supercede the rest it's who meets ALL of the criteria better is usually declared the winner

Ronnie at 301 lbs has an advantage in size ONLY that's it , he clearly doesn't have an advantage in terms of density & dryness , he clearly doesn't have an advantage in balance & proportion , he's clearly not a better poser , you mistakenly keep insisting the extra 45lbs is pure muscle and it's not

Dorian at 257lbs meets more of ALL of the criteria than Ronnie at 300lbs does it's a no brainer , there is a very good reason why 2001 is considered Ronnie's best and not 2003 or this showing , it's because his ( key word his ) balance & proportion is much better when he's lighter , his density & dryness are night & day , you can't escape these facts try as you might

[NarcissisticDeity]

so what you're saying is Ronnie > Dorian b/c Ronnie has better genetics?

Better genetics for what? a complete balanced physique? NOPE a harder , drier physique ? NOPE

Ronnie has awesome genetics , his symmetry ( small waist , hips , joints ) is awesome his physique is very impressive , like I've always maintained he has advantages in parts of the criteria over Yates but not all of it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yep.  At their respective bests, Dorian -v- Ronnie could go either way.  Not sure whey they're so hypersensitive about this...it's kinda strange.

Because Muscular Development taught them Ronnie was unbeatable and untouchable and NO ONE could ever compare and they bought it hook line and sinker

they scoff at the idea of Dorian being compared to Ronnie , as if his name was Cutler  who beat Ronnie

[NeoSeminole]

absolutely , and NOT it's not due to conditioning it's genetics however you obviously need great conditioning for the striations to be seen

no shit Sherlock. This is what I've been saying all along. Flex had great genetics for separations and striations too, but he still had smooth glutes and hams. Every bodybuilder displays better definition when they lose fat and water but there are also areas that won't be as shredded no matter how conditioned they are

Dorian's quads and delts lacked definition and Ronnie's midsection lacked definition. It goes both ways. For you to claim Ronnie's definition is the result of genetics and his shortcomings are due to poor conditioning whereas Dorian's definition is the result of hard-work while his shortcomings are just "genetic" shows what a hypocrite you are

absolutely there is more to the criteria than just bulk and definition , like I've said with all thing being ' equal ' the better conditioned athlete usually wins , Gaspari was NOT equal in terms of structure compared with Haney or , muscular bulk and the same applies to Dex

you insist on mistaken size with dense , dry muscle , the same would apply to Nasser who was down conditioning but made up for it in size but was still beaten by Shawn Ray who was nearly 80lbs lighter

I'm glad you agree there is more to the judging criteria than just conditioning. Ronnie's size advantage at 301 lbs would outweigh Dorian's conditioning at 257 lbs (44 lbs difference, lol) for the same reason 03 Ronnie beat Dexter who had better conditioning, symmetry, and balance.

WRONG absolutely wrong , still having a problem grasping how contests are judged. one PART of the criteria doesn't supercede the rest it's who meets ALL of the criteria better is usually declared the winner

that's what I said. Re-read it again:

"There is more to the judging criteria than just muscular bulk or definition. The better physique is the one that meets the judging criteria better than the rest."

care to remind us again why you earned the title of reading illiterate?

Ronnie at 301 lbs has an advantage in size ONLY that's it , he clearly doesn't have an advantage in terms of density & dryness , he clearly doesn't have an advantage in balance & proportion , he's clearly not a better poser , you mistakenly keep insisting the extra 45lbs is pure muscle and it's not

lol, why are you repeating yourself? In that case, Ronnie has the advantage in muscular bulk, size, and mass. He also had better definition, separations, and striations. Oh look, Ronnie has more adjectives in his favor, lmao

[NarcissisticDeity]

no shit Sherlock. This is what I've been saying all along. Flex had great genetics for separations and striations too, but he still had smooth glutes and hams. Every bodybuilder displays better definition when they lose fat and water but there are also areas that won't be as shredded no matter how conditioned they are. Dorian's quads and delts lacked definition and Ronnie's midsection lacked definition. It goes both ways. For you to claim Ronnie's definition is the result of genetics and Dorian's are the result of hard-work just shows what a hypocrite you are

I'm glad you agree there is more to the judging criteria than just conditioning. Ronnie's size advantage at 301 lbs would outweigh Dorian's conditioning at 257 lbs (44 lbs difference, lol) for the same reason 03 Ronnie beat Dexter who had better conditioning, symmetry, and balance.

that's what I said. Re-read it again:

"There is more to the judging criteria than just muscular bulk or definition. The better physique is the one that meets the judging criteria better than the rest."

care to remind us again why you earned the title of reading illiterate?

lol, why are you repeating yourself? In that case, Ronnie has the advantage in muscular bulk, size, and mass. He also had better definition, separations, and striations. Oh look, Ronnie has more adjectives in his favor, lmao

no shit Sherlock. This is what I've been saying all along. Flex had great genetics for separations and striations too, but he still had smooth glutes and hams. Every bodybuilder displays better definition when they lose fat and water but there are also areas that won't be as shredded no matter how conditioned they are. Dorian's quads and delts lacked definition and Ronnie's midsection lacked definition. It goes both ways. For you to claim Ronnie's definition is the result of genetics and Dorian's are the result of hard-work just shows what a hypocrite you are

you're wrong as usual , Ronnie's midsection didn't lack ' definition ' look at the exact same pic I posted of his striated quads and look at the crisp definition of his abdominals , serratus , intercostals and obliques , he had a really right defined midsection and guess what happened the heavier he became? it was washed out , it had nothing to do with genetics for not being defined in that area because we already seen that he was , the same with Flex in 1993 ASC his hams & glutes looked a lot better , you guessed it when he was lighter , see a trend here? Dorian's quads & delts  lacked separation   you're delusional as usual , you're using an example of a torn muscle to bitch about separation was proof of lacking definition

and where did I ever once claim Dorian's definition is the result or hard work and Ronnie's isn't ? provide proof for that gem sport.

I'm glad you agree there is more to the judging criteria than just conditioning. Ronnie's size advantage at 301 lbs would outweigh Dorian's conditioning at 257 lbs (44 lbs difference, lol) for the same reason 03 Ronnie beat Dexter who had better conditioning, symmetry, and balance.

No slick I've been preaching for a very long time now there is more to the criteria than ANY one part of it. Ronnie's ' size ' advantage isn't dense hard muscle so it's not much of an advantage and poor stupid Neo always trying to connect the dots , if Ronnie beat Dex because of A and B , he would beat Dorian because of the same , freshman logic at best , Dorian isn't Dexter and Dex doesn't have an advantage in symmetry or balance over Ronnie , more generalazations bent to fit your warped logic

Shawn beat Nasser despite being more than twice as light ( 80lbs vs the 40lbs you're proposing ) as the advantage Ronnie would have over Dorian , and to further show how pathetic your line of thinking is , Ronnie had a vast size advantage of Dexter in 2007 and he placed behind Dexter Jackson ! thanks for playing , you're over simplifying things to make your point of view work and that's not how it's done , Flex

Another example , Flex weighing 230lbs with a better symmetry and conditioning beating a much heavier Nasser , your ' extra weight ' theory is full of holes and plenty of examples of it not working , Dorian vs Paul Dillett , Lou Ferrigno , shall I continue?

"There is more to the judging criteria than just muscular bulk or definition. The better physique is the one that meets the judging criteria better than the rest."

care to remind us again why you earned the title of reading illiterate?

Oh I like how you omitted the part about weight , you keep thinking that this trumps the rest of the criteria mistakenly , you even used Dexter's advantage in symmetry & conditioning and balance to prove that weight supercedes ALL of the criteria , which is wrong , I'm not illiterate you just can't keep track of your own bullshit

let me teach you again moron , WEIGHT does not supercede balance , proportion , density , dryness , posing or presentation , you keep pushing that this extra weight , that's not even dense muscle will some how compensate for his deficiency in all the other parts of the criteria and offer up really lame examples as proof

lol, why are you repeating yourself? In that case, Ronnie has the advantage in muscular bulk, size, and mass. He also had better definition, separations, and striations. Oh look, Ronnie has more adjectives in his favor, lmao

Why am I repeating myself? well people such as yourself with limited abilities need to be constantly reminded of how things work and it takes a while for it to sink in your head   all adjectives for the same criteria , recall how you mistakenly claimed I was typing the same criteria to fluff up Dorian's advantages in balance & proportion? you claimed they were the same thing lol how then can you come to ANY conclusion on who would beat whom or who is better when you don't even have a basic understanding of what things are and aren't? Oh I know you know what you like and that's enough lol

Lou Ferrigno who was 310lbs in 1993 I wonder why his 53lb weight advantage over Dorian didn't work? that should have been more than enough to overcompensate for Dorian's clear advantage in balance & proportion , density & dryness , after all it worked for Ronnie against Dexter LMFAO

[Palpatine Q]

riiiiight, when I've pointed out Ronnie's advantage in striations and separations numerous times, ND claims it's just "genetics"

However, when Dorian has the advantage in striations or separations in a certain body part (e.g. traps or midsection), all of a sudden it's due to conditioning

does the Dorian fanboyism know now bounds?

no, not really. There is more to the judging criteria than just muscular bulk or definition. If conditioning were most important, than Gaspari would have a few Mr. Olympia titles and Dexter would have beaten Ronnie Coleman. The better physique is the one that meets the judging criteria better than the rest. What Ronnie sacrifices in conditioning, he makes up for in size

at what point do you tilt the bar in favor of one bodybuilder or the other? When the difference in one criteria outweighs the other. Ronnie's size at 301 lbs > Dorian's conditioning at 257 lbs. This is not just a wild guess by some random person on the internet. This is the precedent set by the judges at the Mr. Olympia who decided Haney beat Gaspari and Ronnie beat Dexter Jackson

LOL  the best part is watching ND melt and tell you how stupid you are because you have a different opinion than his.....but you can find just as many quotes from BBing magazines and industry people who say Ronnie was the best as you can Dorian, and the judges thought Ronnie was the best in the world 8 times.....but ND knows better than everyone

I really like when he gets really bold and starts trying to convince people that Yates had better arms than Ronnie...He's like the Jehovah's Witness of Getbig

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL  the best part is watching ND melt and tell you how stupid you are because you have a different opinion than his.....but you can find just as many quotes from BBing magazines and industry people who say Ronnie was the best as you can Dorian, and the judges thought Ronnie was the best in the world 8 times.....but ND knows better than everyone

I really like when he gets really bold and starts trying to convince people that Yates had better arms than Ronnie...He's like the Jehovah's Witness of Getbig

He's not stupid because he has a different opinion than me , he's stupid because he's cherry picking the judging criteria for what he likes or what he thinks wins contests while ignoring the rest , that's not how it works

And to further correct you , you can actually find more quotes from BBing magazine and industry people who say Ronnie is the best , and for all intents & purposes he is , he tied Haney for most Olympia wins and has more pro wins than anyone else , so technically he is the greatest Mr Olympia winner and bodybuilder of all-time which doesn't have much to do with Dorian because how many of those titles did he earn by beating Dorian?   

I really like when he gets really bold and starts trying to convince people that Yates had better arms than Ronnie...He's like the Jehovah's Witness of Getbig

show me where I typed this? I dare you . I said Dorian had better triceps ( not bigger pay attention ) and better forearms but where did I try and convince anyone that Yates had better arms? show me I'll be waiting , in fact I've been pretty adamant that better parts don't make better poses for a long time now

[StuartR]

Yep.  At their respective bests, Dorian -v- Ronnie could go either way.  Not sure whey they're so hypersensitive about this...it's kinda strange.

lol this isnt even close to true

[JP_RC]

Entertaining Dorian would face Ronnie 1998 and it would be close , Ronnie would lose just based on bitch tits , and lets entertain conditioning is equal , Dorian is still carrying more muscular bulk with equal conditioning not bitch tits , now factor in the fact Dorian has better balance & proportion and he's more complete , again the strengths just are too much for Ronnie

Are bitch tits a flaw? If they are so should be a torn bicep.  You said Dorian's torn bicep didn't matter so much because of the overall physique, then the same could be said of Ronnie's bitch tits.
Plus if you are actually pointing Ronnie's bitch tits as a disadvantage for him, so should be Dorian's bloated stomach.

Ok, conditioning is equal and Dorian has more muscular bulk, but Ronnie has better muscularity due to his superior detail & separations. So its pretty hard to see where the scale would tilt.

How can you be so sure Dorian has better balance and proportion? Don't forget symmetry is also a part of this and Ronnie has better symmetry up to a point.

It would be a close contest, you can't be so sure.

[NarcissisticDeity]

lol this isnt even close to true

You're right , I don't think Ronnie would come that close to Dorian 

[Nirvana]

He's not stupid because he has a different opinion than me , he's stupid because he's cherry picking the judging criteria for what he likes or what he thinks wins contests while ignoring the rest , that's not how it works

And to further correct you , you can actually find more quotes from BBing magazine and industry people who say Ronnie is the best , and for all intents & purposes he is , he tied Haney for most Olympia wins and has more pro wins than anyone else , so technically he is the greatest Mr Olympia winner and bodybuilder of all-time which doesn't have much to do with Dorian because how many of those titles did he earn by beating Dorian?   
show me where I typed this? I dare you . I said Dorian had better triceps ( not bigger pay attention ) and better forearms but where did I try and convince anyone that Yates had better arms? show me I'll be waiting , in fact I've been pretty adamant that better parts don't make better poses for a long time now

how many times do we have to tell you, dorian and ronnie never stepped onstage together at each others best

and now you saying ronnie is the best, you're flip flopping like a fish out of water, what groink said was right

[NarcissisticDeity]

Are bitch tits a flaw? If they are so should be a torn bicep.  You said Dorian's torn bicep didn't matter so much because of the overall physique, then the same could be said of Ronnie's bitch tits.
Plus if you are actually pointing Ronnie's bitch tits as a disadvantage for him, so should be Dorian's bloated stomach.

Ok, conditioning is equal and Dorian has more muscular bulk, but Ronnie has better muscularity due to his superior detail & separations. So its pretty hard to see where the scale would tilt.

How can you be so sure Dorian has better balance and proportion? Don't forget symmetry is also a part of this and Ronnie has better symmetry up to a point.

It would be a close contest, you can't be so sure.

quote]Are bitch tits a flaw? If they are so should be a torn bicep.  You said Dorian's torn bicep didn't matter so much because of the overall physique, then the same could be said of Ronnie's bitch tits.
Plus if you are actually pointing Ronnie's bitch tits as a disadvantage for him, so should be Dorian's bloated stomach.
[/quote]

are you really asking it bitch tits are a flaw? and did Dorian have a torn bicep in 1993? and the same did apply to Ronnie in 1998 overall it didn't hurt his physique however in a hypothetical contest and it were close I think this could be a deciding factor absolutely. Ronnie's gut was ever present in 98/99 so those who live in glass houses

Ok, conditioning is equal and Dorian has more muscular bulk, but Ronnie has better muscularity due to his superior detail & separations. So its pretty hard to see where the scale would tilt.

Ummmmm NO conditioning is not equal that was entertaining the point for the sake of argument. Ronnie doesn't have better muscularity either , superior detail ? where?  in certain parts? and separartions the same where? that's a all encompassing claim , Dorian's carries more muscular bulk than Ronnie while being harder & drier that swings it clearly in his favor

How can you be so sure Dorian has better balance and proportion? Don't forget symmetry is also a part of this and Ronnie has better symmetry up to a point.

well given the fact that Dorian ( who is an IFBB judge mind you ) said outright his balance & proportion were better than Ronnie's and conditioning as well is pretty much proof it is , if you can't ( or wont ) see it yourself

Ronnie does have an advantage in smaller joints , waist , hips ( although in these fantasy comparisons he never does  ) it's only part of symmetry , Ronnie's calves are in proportion with his oversized quads , his glutes aren't in proportion with his physique especially not when considering when the can be seen from the front  hams in profile are dominated by the oversized quads , forearms aren't in proportion with his insanely huge biceps/triceps , you look at his side triceps ( in profile ) you can barely see his pecs because his oversized delts obscure it  ( now let me say this is more apparent at different weights with Ronnie ) you have to know what you're looking for and as I said more to symmetry than just a small waist & hips

It would be a close contest, you can't be so sure.

actually I can be sure , especially if we're using Ronnie 1998 who had an absolute hard time beating Flex 98 who wasn't on par with his 1993 version that Dorian dominated , I think Ronnie 2001 ASC would be the biggest threat to Dorian all others like 99/03 really wouldn't because of the big difference in conditioning

[NarcissisticDeity]

how many times do we have to tell you, dorian and ronnie never stepped onstage together at each others best

and now you saying ronnie is the best, you're flip flopping like a fish out of water, what groink said was right

Oh boy  like most of Ronnie's fans you apparently have comprehension problems

no shit Ronnie and Dorian never stepped onstage at their bests

I'm saying statistically Ronnie is the best which has nothing to do with Dorian because not one single of his wins is over Dorian

[JP_RC]

quote]Are bitch tits a flaw? If they are so should be a torn bicep.  You said Dorian's torn bicep didn't matter so much because of the overall physique, then the same could be said of Ronnie's bitch tits.
Plus if you are actually pointing Ronnie's bitch tits as a disadvantage for him, so should be Dorian's bloated stomach.


are you really asking it bitch tits are a flaw? and did Dorian have a torn bicep in 1993? and the same did apply to Ronnie in 1998 overall it didn't hurt his physique however in a hypothetical contest and it were close I think this could be a deciding factor absolutely. Ronnie's gut was ever present in 98/99 so those who live in glass houses

Ummmmm NO conditioning is not equal that was entertaining the point for the sake of argument. Ronnie doesn't have better muscularity either , superior detail ? where?  in certain parts? and separartions the same where? that's a all encompassing claim , Dorian's carries more muscular bulk than Ronnie while being harder & drier that swings it clearly in his favor

well given the fact that Dorian ( who is an IFBB judge mind you ) said outright his balance & proportion were better than Ronnie's and conditioning as well is pretty much proof it is , if you can't ( or wont ) see it yourself

Ronnie does have an advantage in smaller joints , waist , hips ( although in these fantasy comparisons he never does  ) it's only part of symmetry , Ronnie's calves are in proportion with his oversized quads , his glutes aren't in proportion with his physique especially not when considering when the can be seen from the front  hams in profile are dominated by the oversized quads , forearms aren't in proportion with his insanely huge biceps/triceps , you look at his side triceps ( in profile ) you can barely see his pecs because his oversized delts obscure it  ( now let me say this is more apparent at different weights with Ronnie ) you have to know what you're looking for and as I said more to symmetry than just a small waist & hips

actually I can be sure , especially if we're using Ronnie 1998 who had an absolute hard time beating Flex 98 who wasn't on par with his 1993 version that Dorian dominated , I think Ronnie 2001 ASC would be the biggest threat to Dorian all others like 99/03 really wouldn't because of the big difference in conditioning

are you really asking it bitch tits are a flaw? and did Dorian have a torn bicep in 1993? and the same did apply to Ronnie in 1998 overall it didn't hurt his physique however in a hypothetical contest and it were close I think this could be a deciding factor absolutely. Ronnie's gut was ever present in 98/99 so those who live in glass houses

No, he didn't have a torn bicep in 93. 93 vs 98 still would be a very close contest, I just don't think bitch tits could be a problem, his calves would though.

Ummmmm NO conditioning is not equal that was entertaining the point for the sake of argument. Ronnie doesn't have better muscularity either , superior detail ? where?  in certain parts? and separartions the same where? that's a all encompassing claim , Dorian's carries more muscular bulk than Ronnie while being harder & drier that swings it clearly in his favor

So for the sake of argument let's say they had equal conditioning (I think they did), Ronnie has better muscularity. You said muscularity is the ability to show great detail and muscle separation and that it goes hand in hand with conditioning, since great conditioning is a must to show the muscle detail & separation.
Since we are saying they had equal conditioning or even if Dorian had slightly better, Ronnie has better muscularity due to his superior muscle separations & detail.  You ask where? All most every single bodypart when looked from the front.
Dorian does carry more muscular bulk, but muscularity is equally important right? I still don't see a 93-95 Dorian harder & drier than a 98 - 01 Ronnie.

well given the fact that Dorian ( who is an IFBB judge mind you ) said outright his balance & proportion were better than Ronnie's and conditioning as well is pretty much proof it is , if you can't ( or wont ) see it yourself

Ronnie does have an advantage in smaller joints , waist , hips ( although in these fantasy comparisons he never does  ) it's only part of symmetry , Ronnie's calves are in proportion with his oversized quads , his glutes aren't in proportion with his physique especially not when considering when the can be seen from the front  hams in profile are dominated by the oversized quads , forearms aren't in proportion with his insanely huge biceps/triceps , you look at his side triceps ( in profile ) you can barely see his pecs because his oversized delts obscure it  ( now let me say this is more apparent at different weights with Ronnie ) you have to know what you're looking for and as I said more to symmetry than just a small waist & hips

Dorian in 93 has better balance & proportion than Ronnie, I admit it. But Ronnie still has some advantage in symmetry.

actually I can be sure , especially if we're using Ronnie 1998 who had an absolute hard time beating Flex 98 who wasn't on par with his 1993 version that Dorian dominated , I think Ronnie 2001 ASC would be the biggest threat to Dorian all others like 99/03 really wouldn't because of the big difference in conditioning

Yeah, I think Ronnie 98 or 01 are his best showings too.